It's all in how you look at things, Chuck. I see politics less as a Democrat vs. Republican thing or even Conservative vs. Liberal. I think the real dichotomy of politics is Progressive vs. Libertarian. Libertarians believe government should be smaller, tax people and businesses less, and protect personal freedoms. Progressives believe in a bigger government, higher taxes, and more control over personal freedoms. Under that definition the last four presidents definitely qualify as Progressives.