19072 Members
14 Forums
40341 Topics
614093 Posts
Max Online: 788 @ 09/28/24 10:05 AM
|
|
|
#494765 - 08/11/10 08:19 AM
The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Porn Jesus
Registered: 10/29/03
Posts: 9489
|
This is getting ridiculous... giving up freedoms for safety is the first step towards totalitarianism.  A proposed bill could effectively give the president an Internet "kill switch.” Senator Joseph Lieberman has proposed the Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act (PCNAA), a bill that would give the president the power to control or even shut down the Internet in emergency situations. Citing the need for cybersecurity, Lieberman said in a press release that the U.S.'s “economic security, national security and public safety are now all at risk from new kinds of enemies -- cyber-warriors, cyber-spies, cyber-terrorists and cyber-criminals.” The bill requires that U.S.-based companies such as Google and Yahoo, as well as broadband providers and software firms, comply with any and all measures that the government sees fit in an emergency. Technology trade association, TechAmerica, has already expressed worry at the level of control the bill would grant the president if passed — levels that could have “unintended consequences.” Other countries are also decrying the bill, fearing the impact on their own security if the U.S. were to shut down essential parts of the Internet. (via CNET) Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/06/18/does-the-internet-need-a-kill-switch/#ixzz0wJKIu6Ch[/url]
_________________________
"I only insult those who deserve it." - Alfred E. Neuman
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
#494766 - 08/11/10 08:29 AM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 9113
Loc: red dirt state of mind
|
Ahhhh, the wonders of a progressive government. I think we all know what type of "emergency" Barrack would use this type of switch for.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494767 - 08/11/10 08:33 AM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 09/19/05
Posts: 3576
Loc: Baltimore, MD
|
CT Dems who ousted Holy Joe in the '06 primary would be puzzled to learn that he is a progressive.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494768 - 08/11/10 08:46 AM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 9113
Loc: red dirt state of mind
|
Progressives - Increase the size of government, raise taxes, and erode personal freedoms.
The last 4 progressive presidents in reverse order Obama, Bush Jr., Clinton, and Bush Sr. Not to mention all 4 are Ivy League elitists.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494769 - 08/11/10 08:54 AM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Registered Sex Offender
Registered: 12/16/08
Posts: 2401
|
Must control flow of information. Must keep public as un-informed and stupid as possible.
The problem that far outweighs the censorship issue, is the probable collapse of the economy. If the net gets turned off, its not going to be for 20 minutes. Say the internet gets shuttered for a 2 weeks. Stock market tanks and you can't make trades. 2 weeks of lost revenue for millions of people, from Craiglist Hookers and the motels they use to Amazon.com and UPS. Leads to no rent or mortgage payments, more foreclosures. So many drones using direct deposit won't have access to cash, and credit card machines at stores run off the net, don't they? Same with food stamps? There will be a lot of dick getting sucked for formula and diapers.
Any president shutting down the net might as well hang himself.
_________________________
"Guage once told me that there is nothing worse than eaten ass of a black dude thats been huffen drain cleaner the night befor." - delanoojos
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494770 - 08/11/10 09:17 AM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Gag Factor Guru
Porn Jesus
Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 5290
Loc: Dayton
|
Quote:
Progressives - Increase the size of government, raise taxes, and erode personal freedoms.
The last 4 progressive presidents in reverse order Obama, Bush Jr., Clinton, and Bush Sr. Not to mention all 4 are Ivy League elitists.
 
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494771 - 08/11/10 10:18 AM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 9113
Loc: red dirt state of mind
|
It's all in how you look at things, Chuck. I see politics less as a Democrat vs. Republican thing or even Conservative vs. Liberal. I think the real dichotomy of politics is Progressive vs. Libertarian. Libertarians believe government should be smaller, tax people and businesses less, and protect personal freedoms. Progressives believe in a bigger government, higher taxes, and more control over personal freedoms. Under that definition the last four presidents definitely qualify as Progressives.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494773 - 08/11/10 11:19 AM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Gag Factor Guru
Porn Jesus
Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 5290
Loc: Dayton
|
Quote:
It's all in how you look at things, Chuck. I see politics less as a Democrat vs. Republican thing or even Conservative vs. Liberal. I think the real dichotomy of politics is Progressive vs. Libertarian. Libertarians believe government should be smaller, tax people and businesses less, and protect personal freedoms. Progressives believe in a bigger government, higher taxes, and more control over personal freedoms. Under that definition the last four presidents definitely qualify as Progressives.
You misrepresent what progressives are for. We've had maybe one progressive President, in recent history - FDR?
Progressives are all for protecting personal liberties. Libertarians vote Republican, and side with the "Christian" conservatives. But, you will lie about that.
Libertarians are liars. How many Government programs did you benefit from today? Don't forget to include the DARPAnet. Water, sewer, transportation? Breathe clean air? Use any currency? Drive a car with any safety devices? Look forward to a weekend? Get anything like a phone call, TV or radio report, or GPS location that involved a satellite? Eat non-rancid food? Idiots.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494774 - 08/11/10 11:47 AM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Porn Icon
Registered: 02/04/05
Posts: 3499
Loc: The Dirty: 480
|
Quote:
I think we all know what type of "emergency" Barrack would use this type of switch for.
Disco Demolition II?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494775 - 08/11/10 12:44 PM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 9113
Loc: red dirt state of mind
|
Quote:
You misrepresent what progressives are for. We've had maybe one progressive President, in recent history - FDR?
Progressives are all for protecting personal liberties. Libertarians vote Republican, and side with the "Christian" conservatives. But, you will lie about that.
Libertarians are liars. How many Government programs did you benefit from today? Don't forget to include the DARPAnet. Water, sewer, transportation? Breathe clean air? Use any currency? Drive a car with any safety devices? Look forward to a weekend? Get anything like a phone call, TV or radio report, or GPS location that involved a satellite? Eat non-rancid food? Idiots.
Big government, higher taxes, and fewer personal freedoms may not be what every Progressive politician is about, but they are the consequences (intentional or unintentional) of how they govern and the sheer number of laws they make.
Progressives protect liberties? You mean like my liberty to not have to buy health insurance, or my liberty to not have a phone call listened to by a government worker, or even my liberty to buy a happy meal with a toy inside?
I can't quite seem to glean what exactly your definition of liberty is, so I will try to explain mine. Liberty to me means making decisions for myself, without government input, and taking responsibility for what ever consequences may arise from that decision.
We've been traveling down this Progressive road since Bush the elder, even longer really, and I just don't see that it's working at all. Deficits and debt keep getting larger and larger. Rules for businesses keep getting more complex, expensive, and I fear this trend will continue until only the largest monopoly style businesses will be able to afford to operate.
DARPAnet and GPS were created and installed by the military and they were created with military intentions in mind until the private sector brought it to the consumer. TV and telecommunications were pioneered and built by private industry. Henry Ford was one of the earliest and biggest supporters responsible for road and highway development in this country and he didn't work for the government either.
Why am I not surprised that a progressive would stoop to name calling when confronted with dissent? You forgot your catch alls of racist and homophobe by the way.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494776 - 08/11/10 12:50 PM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Quote:
This is getting ridiculous... giving up freedoms for safety is the first step towards totalitarianism.
Ain't that what the Dems said about the Patriot act? Both sides are beyond ridiculous. The sky ain't falling, people.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494777 - 08/11/10 12:58 PM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Registered Sex Offender
Registered: 07/09/06
Posts: 2362
Loc: St. Louis
|
The sky never falls. Free societies lose their freedom incrementally.
_________________________
"Offer them what they secretly want and they of course immediately become panic-stricken."
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494778 - 08/11/10 02:33 PM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 09/19/05
Posts: 3576
Loc: Baltimore, MD
|
Economically rapacious oligarchies have destroyed free republics from the Roman Optimates who turned the republic into a series of latifundia to the Dubya/GOP banksters who had the political influence to get bailed out after they caused the Panic of 2008.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494779 - 08/12/10 02:48 AM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Registered Sex Offender
Registered: 07/09/06
Posts: 2362
Loc: St. Louis
|
Dubya/GOP bankers? You mean the same ones that Obama works for? Goldman Sachs and George Soros own his ass.
_________________________
"Offer them what they secretly want and they of course immediately become panic-stricken."
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494780 - 08/12/10 04:43 AM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 09/19/05
Posts: 3576
Loc: Baltimore, MD
|
Who owns whom is difficult to know. Who wrecked this country can be ascertained. It was Dubya, the GOP and their controllers.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494781 - 08/12/10 01:51 PM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Registered Sex Offender
Registered: 07/09/06
Posts: 2362
Loc: St. Louis
|
You really don't know Obama's relationship with Soros, Goldman Sachs and the banking industry? Either you are willfully ignorant or intellectually dishonest.
There is no question Bush shares much of the blame, but you can attach blame to everyone from Congress, Wall Street, Main Street and past administrations. You do know that Barney Frank almost singlehandedly killed regulation of Fannie and Freddie, ground zero for the housing crisis.
_________________________
"Offer them what they secretly want and they of course immediately become panic-stricken."
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494782 - 08/12/10 02:25 PM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 09/19/05
Posts: 3576
Loc: Baltimore, MD
|
Don't view Soros as the bogeyman, believe that Goldman Sachs had as much if not more influence with Dubya through then Tres Sec Paulson as they may have in this Administration, and while I agree that Barney Frank shares responsibility for this crisis, there are many Wall Street/bankster figures who are MUCH more responsible than Rep. Frank.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494785 - 08/12/10 03:58 PM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 09/19/05
Posts: 3576
Loc: Baltimore, MD
|
McDonald's isn't the type of company that is likely to intensely lobby the Federal government, as they are basically competing for market share among fast food consumers. The players in the influence game are the high financiers,military-industrial complex firms that seek to obtain Federal contracts for military or security goods or services, the Law Enforcement-industrial complex that makes billions from the fruitless "war on drugs"and the growing security-industrial complex that seeks to protect us from blowback from our Captain America Tries to Save Afghanistan adventure. Alex, young man, you really ought to stop playing Nepman and go back to school.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494790 - 08/13/10 09:46 AM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Gay For Pay
Registered: 01/13/07
Posts: 1011
|
Quote:
Progressives are all for protecting personal liberties.
Yeah Chuck, gotta hear more about this from you. How are the progressive ideas of more pro-active government about personal liberties? Those two ideas are anti-thetical to me.
Quote:
Libertarians vote Republican, and side with the "Christian" conservatives. But, you will lie about that.
Because most of us Libertarians believe economic issues are more important than social issues. And, as the American political system is today, you really only got 2 options. It's not because we're in "co-hoots" with the Religion fanatics.
Quote:
Libertarians are liars.
Stop believing Al Franken's and Michael Moore's hype already. As bad as someone running around quoting Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh all the time.
Quote:
How many Government programs did you benefit from today?
Yeah see, that's my understanding of what progressivism is.
Quote:
Don't forget to include the DARPAnet. Water, sewer, transportation? Breathe clean air? Use any currency? Drive a car with any safety devices? Look forward to a weekend? Get anything like a phone call, TV or radio report, or GPS location that involved a satellite? Eat non-rancid food? Idiots.
YOu take Libertarianism too far and you end up with anarchy as your ideology. But, I've never heard a Libertarian take it that far. The Libertarian idea is that some things unfortunately have to to be provided by the government. There's no other suitable institution. If there is, fuck yeah, let them do it.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494791 - 08/13/10 09:50 AM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Registered Sex Offender
Registered: 07/09/06
Posts: 2362
Loc: St. Louis
|
I think neither of you understands what a Libertarian/libertarian is.
_________________________
"Offer them what they secretly want and they of course immediately become panic-stricken."
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494792 - 08/13/10 10:57 AM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 09/19/05
Posts: 3576
Loc: Baltimore, MD
|
Libertarianism is an extremely broad concept. How about Emanzipatorische Linke in Germany?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494793 - 08/13/10 12:17 PM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Registered Sex Offender
Registered: 07/09/06
Posts: 2362
Loc: St. Louis
|
Quote:
Libertarianism is an extremely broad concept. How about Emanzipatorische Linke in Germany?
Not even remotely libertarian. As I said, you don't really understand it. Take it from a poli. sci. major and a lifelong libertarian.
_________________________
"Offer them what they secretly want and they of course immediately become panic-stricken."
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494794 - 08/13/10 01:54 PM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Gag Factor Guru
Porn Jesus
Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 5290
Loc: Dayton
|
@Northrup
MY idea of progressivism, and YOUR idea of libertarianism. We are probably close on social issues. I am first, a civil libertarian. ACLU type. The ENTIRE Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment. Freedom for people. You should be allowed to smoke pot with your gay spouse while you clean your guns, etc.
Corporations are not people.
Part of freedom in America is a chance at the "American Dream", or at least the chance to get an education, decent employment, housing, etc. A free and just society does take care of handicapped, mentally ill, etc. We also need consumer protections to ensure safety and fair play in the market.
I'd like to see an efficient and fair private health care system, but it is badly broken. It doesn't work for the people. That's why the Gov't had to step in. I actually hope it is enough, that the insurance companies quit fucking people for profit, that somehow it leans out so a third of the money isn't pissed away on paperwork and management. But, we must have a system where everyone can get health care at an affordable price, that should be a given in a decent society.
Health care, actually, is one of the things that probably shouldn't be done for profit. Neither should prisons, soldiers, law enforcement, the list is not too long. I don't want to be Disneylanded by a rent-a-cop if I run a stop sign; if a contract cop kicks in the wrong door and kills an innocent family member, who do you sue?
You just don't like taxes. I bet you threw a fit when the 1st grade teacher made you share your new box of 64 crayons with the others. Or something like that.
Reagan was wrong, Government is not the problem. Letting people who don't like government, run the Government, is the problem.
How'd that unregulated free market, and tax cuts for the rich, work out?
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494795 - 08/13/10 02:27 PM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Registered Sex Offender
Registered: 07/09/06
Posts: 2362
Loc: St. Louis
|
^^^^^^^^
You might want to take introductory level courses in civics and economics.
_________________________
"Offer them what they secretly want and they of course immediately become panic-stricken."
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494796 - 08/13/10 04:03 PM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Gag Factor Guru
Porn Jesus
Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 5290
Loc: Dayton
|
Quote:
^^^^^^^^
You might want to take introductory level courses in civics and economics.
Thanks for validating that my opinions don't come from a poli-sci textbook.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494799 - 08/13/10 06:52 PM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
Posts: 10321
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
^^^^^^^^
You might want to take introductory level courses in civics and economics.
Thanks for validating that my opinions don't come from a poli-sci textbook.
Poli-Sci did a scene in Gag Factor 13.
Damn, I could have never written an exchange this funny. Thank you Gentlemen.
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494800 - 08/13/10 07:49 PM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Registered Sex Offender
Registered: 12/16/08
Posts: 2401
|
Last candidate I was really for was Forbes in the primary against Bush 2. Flat tax, no more IRS. If only the guy had a personality.
_________________________
"Guage once told me that there is nothing worse than eaten ass of a black dude thats been huffen drain cleaner the night befor." - delanoojos
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
#494801 - 08/14/10 05:58 PM
Re: The Internet Kill-Switch
|
Porn Jesus
Registered: 04/14/06
Posts: 14755
Loc: Busy downloading [LEGALLY!]
|
The problem with each of these terms, libertarian, progressive, liberal, conservative, etc., etc., is that everyone has his/her own definition, and depending on one's bent each gets the baggage or accolades one's personal bent brings to the table.
So, there is no arguing. You're not talking about the same terms.
And, in any event, even if one were to push the pristine advocacy they envision for their own cause, to get elected it's going to come with a whole pile of smelly baggage.
_________________________
Amo i Gemelli!! 
|
|
Top
|
|
|
|
|
|
0 registered (),
536
Guests and
4
Spiders online. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
Previous Topic
Index
