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#483345 - 04/07/10 12:35 PM Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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Classified military video with an Apache copter engaging some civilians including a couple Reuters reporters, with camera bags on their shoulders that were assumed to be AK's and RPG's.

wrong place at the wrong time? maybe. maybe not. when you see these guys milling around calmly at about 4:50 right before bullets fly, well its not a trigger I would've pulled.

http://www.collateralmurder.com/



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#483347 - 04/07/10 03:50 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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#483348 - 04/07/10 06:12 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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I always smile when I hear in the news that American soldier get canned in Iraq or Afganistan. You gotta have some American deaths too to balance the war, its fun and entertainment.

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#483349 - 04/07/10 06:22 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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Shut the fuck up, you troglodyte homonculus.

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#483350 - 04/07/10 06:45 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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Shut the fuck up, you troglodyte homonculus.



Don't get me wrong, I am not against America or cheering for the arabs, I'm just saying that there's not enough American military casualties.

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#483351 - 04/07/10 08:38 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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You know, I vouched for you when you first arrived here and you've absolutely disappointed me. That is a disgraceful thing to say.

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#483352 - 04/07/10 08:49 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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You know, I vouched for you when you first arrived here and you've absolutely disappointed me. That is a disgraceful thing to say.



Nothing personal. Everyone makes it a big deal when Americans get killed in Iraq, but when bunch of Iraqis get killed by American troops its not a big deal, I just want so balance.

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#483353 - 04/07/10 08:50 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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Shut the fuck up, you troglodyte homonculus.



Don't get me wrong, I am not against America or cheering for the arabs, I'm just saying that there's not enough American military casualties.




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#483354 - 04/07/10 09:28 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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Shut the fuck up, you troglodyte homonculus.



Don't get me wrong, I am not against America or cheering for the arabs, I'm just saying that there's not enough American military casualties.




Piece of shit tranny-loving cock-sucking queer.



I think that the best way that American troops get killed is with IEDs, they are just too dumb to watch out for IEDs.

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#483355 - 04/08/10 04:33 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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Nothing personal. Everyone makes it a big deal when Americans get killed in Iraq, but when bunch of Iraqis get killed by American troops its not a big deal, I just want so balance.




There is some truth in this statement. Though I'd rather see no dead people at all.
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#483356 - 04/08/10 05:49 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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In the 40 minute version of this video, the helicopter also uses 3 hellfires, each one costs around $70,000. So the helligunner just spent over $200,000 of taxpayers money just because he felt like it.

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#483357 - 04/09/10 10:11 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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well its not a trigger I would've pulled.




Perhaps, perhaps not. 90% of the time what looks like an RPG is one. You'd have to look at *every* situation these guys faced over the last month to decide if you'd fire this time - these guys didn't have the luxury of making that decision away from the context of their recent experience and indoctrination.

Mistakes happen in war. What bugs me about this one is not that a mistake got made but rather that it was covered up internally (where is DoD's copy of that video again?) When the reaction is not "Let's make sure that doesn't happen again" but instead "Let's make sure no one finds out" that's a serious problem. What *should* have happened as a result of this is to modify training (to including *not* firing at Iraqis carrying SLRs with a 200mm f/2.8 lens) so the gunners would gain confidence not to fire.

Accidental attacks on civilians have actually been pretty low in Iraq, even if you assume every claim is true. It's very surprising by historical standards and I'm not sure why. Probably a combination of much better targeting technology and the fact that so much is recorded and harder to cover up.

The great strategic surprise is that such a small percentage of Iraqi deaths were caused by American fire. I never fell for the notion that Iraqis would dance for joy at Sadam being ousted, but I also never imaged that the Iraqis would use it as an excuse to slaughter each other.
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#483358 - 04/10/10 04:14 AM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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The great strategic surprise is that such a small percentage of Iraqi deaths were caused by American fire. I never fell for the notion that Iraqis would dance for joy at Sadam being ousted, but I also never imaged that the Iraqis would use it as an excuse to slaughter each other.




jrv, the momumental stupidity in this last paragraph annuls everything of value in the rest of your post. Knowing when to stop is not one of your qualities.
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#483359 - 04/10/10 07:01 AM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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I always smile when I hear in the news that American soldier get canned in Iraq or Afganistan. You gotta have some American deaths too to balance the war, its fun and entertainment.




while I dont support that statement wholeheartedly...i do say this....the widows will need $$$ someday.....and where the hell do they find the girls for updates on teensforcash???

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#483360 - 04/10/10 11:53 AM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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I always smile when I hear in the news that American soldier get canned in Iraq or Afganistan. You gotta have some American deaths too to balance the war, its fun and entertainment.





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Shut the fuck up, you troglodyte homonculus.





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I'm just saying that there's not enough American military casualties.






Seriously. Eric gets canned for taking the piss outta Tony, but this waste of oxygen can say horrific shit like that???

Most of you know my brother-in-law was killed in Iraq three years ago. Grow some Nads, Malice. If you can even see down there anymore.

Go Ahead you miserable fuck: Ban Me. It'll just prove my point.

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#483361 - 04/10/10 01:18 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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jrv, the momumental stupidity in this last paragraph annuls everything of value in the rest of your post. Knowing when to stop is not one of your qualities.



Oh, so you anticipated this? Let's see evidence of that.

European history over the last century doesn't suggest you have much to stand on to to be critical.
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#483362 - 04/10/10 01:40 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack
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Authors Joshua Holland and Michael Schwartz point out that the dominant narrative on Iraq—that most of the violence against Iraqis is being perpetrated by Iraqis themselves and is not our responsibility—is ill conceived. Interviewers from the Lancet report of October 2006 (Censored 2006, #2) asked Iraqi respondents how their loved ones died. Of deaths for which families were certain of the perpetrator, 56 percent were attributable to US forces or their allies. Schwartz suggests that if a low pro rata share of half the unattributed deaths were caused by US forces, a total of approximately 80 percent of Iraqi deaths are directly US perpetrated.

Even with the lower confirmed figures, by the end of 2006, an average of 5,000 Iraqis had been killed every month by US forces since the beginning of the occupation. However, the rate of fatalities in 2006 was twice as high as the overall average, meaning that the American average in 2006 was well over 10,000 per month, or over 300 Iraqis every day. With the surge that began in 2007, the current figure is likely even higher.




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And what the fuck, we destabilized the country and provided no post-invasion plan for civil responsibilities like police, infrastructure, etc. so we have a high degree of culpability for the resulting internal violence, too.

Jim, Panzer trolled you good.
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#483363 - 04/10/10 01:44 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack
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Blow me, Drunk boy. Some things are so offensive they're beyond the realm of trolling.

No. Seriously. You served, albeit during peacetime. You work for a military contractor. And you think that kind of shit is acceptable?

Why don't you go back on the sauce you useless fuck. You might recover some of your humanity.

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#483365 - 04/10/10 02:26 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack
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Blow me, Drunk boy. Some things are so offensive they're beyond the realm of trolling.

No. Seriously. You served, albeit during peacetime. You work for a military contractor. And you think that kind of shit is acceptable?

Why don't you go back on the sauce you useless fuck. You might recover some of your humanity.




I'm not defending what he said, I'm just saying he pushed one of your buttons. If everyone who wished people death on here was banned, I'd be talking to myself. I think I am most of the time lately, anyhow.

What about the post by "friendofstormfront"?

Would it have gone by you if Panzer wished more blacks would have been killed in Iraq?

If federal courts can uphold the rights of "Rev." Phelps' God Hates Fags squad, I think XPT can get along without banning Panzer. Call them stupid and insensitive, not me. I think that war is plenty ugly enough.
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#483366 - 04/10/10 02:45 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack
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Spare my your platitudinous pontification. I stand by my earlier assessment. Now why don't you get in your mobile hovel and bring some ketchup to the fat fuck in Brighton Beach.

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#483367 - 04/10/10 03:55 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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Classified military video with an Apache copter engaging some civilians including a couple Reuters reporters, with camera bags on their shoulders that were assumed to be AK's and RPG's.

wrong place at the wrong time? maybe. maybe not. when you see these guys milling around calmly at about 4:50 right before bullets fly, well its not a trigger I would've pulled.








At about 4:08 or so when that dude peeks around the corner, it's quite simply game on. Fuck em.
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#483368 - 04/10/10 03:58 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack
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This is how the America works: you need a bunch of dead soldiers to stimulate the economy. This is how the EID road bombs in Iraq triggered the manufacture of the MRAP armored vehicles, and billions of dollars were invested in making them. If no one dies then it is boring and unprofitable, when you get these deaths then people start talking and then the money starts flowing. It is in America's best interest that a couple of soldiers die here and then, but in the end the whole nation benefits from it. Look, theres a plenty of people in USA who can be soldiers, they are pretty much expendeble and you know it. If one dies then theres someone at the bootcamp who will not mind replacing the casualty.

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#483369 - 04/10/10 04:04 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack
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It's not in Americas best interest because it's taxpayer money that pays for the MRAPS(as you call them) to defend against the EIDS(as you call them) you fucken idiot.

Panzer.. I was like 30 minutes away from the City this week, I should have ignored my kid for half a day and kicked the shit out of you. Thank me.
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#483370 - 04/10/10 04:50 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack
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It's not in Americas best interest because it's taxpayer money that pays for the MRAPS(as you call them) to defend against the EIDS(as you call them) you fucken idiot.

Panzer.. I was like 30 minutes away from the City this week, I should have ignored my kid for half a day and kicked the shit out of you. Thank me.



Yeyeye, whatever. Fuck you and your kid. Say hi to your old lady and tell her to spread her ass cheeks.

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#483371 - 04/10/10 04:55 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack
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@Alex:

You on this message board: Like the first day of first grade, a kid comes in late and trips all over his own shoe laces. All the first graders point and laugh at that kid. Most folks think "oh, he must be retarded, I'll be nice to him". You end up picking yourself up off of the floor.

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#483372 - 04/10/10 06:02 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack
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Panzer you are a retard. I hope you die a slow and painful death.
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#483373 - 04/10/10 06:52 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack
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#483374 - 04/10/10 06:56 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack
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#483375 - 04/10/10 07:24 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack
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#483376 - 04/11/10 04:11 PM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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The great strategic surprise is that such a small percentage of Iraqi deaths were caused by American fire. I never fell for the notion that Iraqis would dance for joy at Sadam being ousted, but I also never imaged that the Iraqis would use it as an excuse to slaughter each other.





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jrv, the momumental stupidity in this last paragraph annuls everything of value in the rest of your post. Knowing when to stop is not one of your qualities.



Oh, so you anticipated this? Let's see evidence of that.

European history over the last century doesn't suggest you have much to stand on to to be critical.





1. Anticipate what? That certain factions in Iraq would start a violent, armed struggle among themselves?
No, I didn't anticipate that, but I didn't anticipate either that the US government would have the audacity to illegally invade another (sovereign) country, overthrow its government, install their own puppet-government, have the former head of state killed and occupy the same country for years to come.
However, I do think that well-paid, well-educated, acclaimed connaisseurs of the Iraqi state, demography and culture could and should have anticipated this. That they did not merely confirms the stupidity of this whole undertaking.

2. European history over the last century?
You're quite selective, jrv. Could you please elaborate a bit, because I'm afraid I don't quite understand what you're getting at.
And to claim that I ain't critical of whatever politics are (or were) being followed, is inaccurate.
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#483377 - 04/13/10 02:57 AM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack heli
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I always smile when I hear in the news that American soldier get canned in Iraq or Afganistan. You gotta have some American deaths too to balance the war, its fun and entertainment.




Only a filthy jew would say something as vile as this. Your kind really hate America! To bad the Nazis didn't get to your family and wipe the lot of you out. Then we would not have to read the garbage that comes from your penny chasing mind..

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#483378 - 04/13/10 04:08 AM Re: Collateral Murder - Civi's cut down by attack
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I guess Panzer should just stick to attacking niggers to spare the sensitive souls of XPT.


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