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Hmmm ... thought you were a better study, but maybe I was being too obscure.

The line is a "riff" from Revelations [19:11].



I told you I rarely read that stuff. I mean to, but never get around to it.


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Didn't see it. If you have a name for it, I'll give it watch.

About that province Ywh, that was all they said, there was a province named that back then. Some other stuff that was interesting about archeology and what it said about the Exodus was interesting, but if you're gonna watch it, I don't want to ruin the big surprise.

It was an episode of Frontline called "From Jesus to Christ: The First Christians". I strongly recommend just doing a Season Pass on your DVR for Frontline and at least glancing at every episode to see if your interested. Same for Nova and American Experience, two other PBS documentary series.


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And, even if you feel the US should play unpaid "world policeman", I don't see why we had to go RIGHT THEN. Why not just continue the economic sanctions and, say, shame France & Russia for not acting over that time?



We're obviously not the world's police men. Plenty of sadistic governments we do nothing about. Only when it affects our own interests. The middle east is in our interests because of our addiction to oil. Without oil, our way of life gets decimated.

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I'll never understand the rush. He wasn't going anywhere and had nothing that could impact say, Israel, let alone us.



After 12 years of resolutions and sanctions where the guy still won't open up to inspections are you really rushing it?

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I was very sure at the time that he had NOTHING to do with 9/11 and Al Qaeda. But, even I was surprised that he had no WMDs.



No he had nothing to do with 9/11, but he did have to do with terrorist organizations. There were several terrorists taking refuge in his country that had contacts with Saddam, just as many other middle eastern nations do. What made Saddam different was the West's (not just Bush's, but the French and Russian intelligence agencies - forget the other countries that thought he had them - and Clinton bombing them in '98 because of this belief they had them) convinced belief he had WMD's. His support for terrorists, we know they terrorists want WMD's and we were sure Saddam had them. It was our awakening towards what terrorists were willing to do in 9/11 that made it a bigger issue.

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I always saw the bigger problem as Iran anyway. Saddam was toothless and never was going to be a threat to the United States. Iran is clearly a danger.



There hadn't been a decade of resolutions against Iran. Even now that they've admitted they're working to get them, has the UN made any resolutions yet? If they have, it hasn't been over 10 years. And, Iran's building those nukes deep inside caves, because they know, given the chance, Israel will eventually bomb those installations with US support. If Iraq had been as simple as bombing there WMD installations, we would have just done that. But, it wasn't.

That said, especially now that the damage to our economy with the deficit is so apparent, I do wish they had negotiated their way out of it. Just after over a decade of trying that way, I don't know that there was a way.