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#471003 - 01/15/10 09:31 AM
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Porn Jesus
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Media Matters is just the latest iteration of the same sort of thing. Conservatives laugh at them when they say they are being a fair watchdog, just as liberals laugh when FOX news says they’re fair and balanced.
I think that sums it up fairly.
btw, I know a few life-long conservatives who find the "fair & balanced" claims of FoxNews laughable as well.
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isn't he working against the intent of the Lord?
Not really. If Pat has a pipeline to God and this is God's justice, he theoretically know the extent of the punishment.
The survivors might want to repent. It's Pat's mission to "save" as many of the survivors as possible.
So, I don't see any Christian violation in that.
But, since I doubt Pat is God's prophet, I wouldn't want to be Pat's attorney when he stands before Yahweh, Jesus and Red Grange?? for multiple violations of Matthew 7:1:
"Do not judge, or you, too, will be judged."
Ooh what does a man profit by gaining control of the entire Christian Broadcasting Network by mortgaging his immortal soul???
Forgive Pat, Father. He knows not what he's done ... 
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#471004 - 01/15/10 10:08 AM
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Supposing there's merit to what you're saying, nonprofits aren't compelled to be impartial. That's why, just to give you two examples, there are many antiabortion and sexual purity nonprofits. Conservatives are just as capable of forming a 501(3)c devoted solely to exposing so-called liberal media bias. Hop to it.
There was a time, in this country, when a journalist would report on a story no matter which side of the aisle it cast in a bad light. That began to change when CNN came along and was loathed to do stories that cast any dispersion on the left.
FOX news took the same sort of partisan journalism and did it better than CNN, look at the ratings, but why you hate FOX isn’t that they’re doing it better than CNN, you hate it because they’re not doing it for your side.
Media Matters is just the latest iteration of the same sort of thing. Conservatives laugh at them when they say they are being a fair watchdog, just as liberals laugh when FOX news says they’re fair and balanced.
I love when you say stuff like this because it just proves you have no idea what you are talking about. Media Matters has never claimed to be anything of the sort. From their website:
About Us
Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.
Launched in May 2004, Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation — news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda — every day, in real time.
Using the website mediamatters.org as the principal vehicle for disseminating research and information, Media Matters posts rapid-response items as well as longer research and analytic reports documenting conservative misinformation throughout the media. Additionally, Media Matters works daily to notify activists, journalists, pundits, and the general public about instances of misinformation, providing them with the resources to rebut false claims and to take direct action against offending media institutions.
http://mediamatters.org/p/about_us/
Your ignorance seems to be growing young jedi. That is to be expected from a conservative.
MM does a great job achieving their stated goals.
Fox News does well because conservatives love to be lied to on a nightly basis. They love to hear how everything is the other guys fault. How conservatives never do anything wrong and all the problems are the fault of the other guy. It's a great world to live in. It's all pure bullshit, but so what. It makes them happy.
CNN covers the news. Sometimes in the news conservatives look like douchebags. Well if you are conservative you can't handle that. Then it's "an attack" on them. Regardless if it's true or not. They are like children that can't handle any criticism.
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#471005 - 01/15/10 10:10 AM
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Porn Jesus
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I think that sums it up fairly.
btw, I know a few life-long conservatives who find the "fair & balanced" claims of FoxNews laughable as well.
I find the FOX claim laughable as well. But you have to admit they have smarter way of doing it than say MSNBC or CNN. When you charge an issue politically like they do, not only do the people who agree absolutely watch, the people vehemently disagree watch too. FOX knows this and wants even the people from Media Matters to watch, especially the commercials.
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#471006 - 01/15/10 10:13 AM
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Porn Jesus
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I love when you say stuff like this because it just proves you have no idea what you are talking about. Media Matters has never claimed to be anything of the sort. From their website:
About Us
Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.
Launched in May 2004, Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation — news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda — every day, in real time.
Using the website mediamatters.org as the principal vehicle for disseminating research and information, Media Matters posts rapid-response items as well as longer research and analytic reports documenting conservative misinformation throughout the media. Additionally, Media Matters works daily to notify activists, journalists, pundits, and the general public about instances of misinformation, providing them with the resources to rebut false claims and to take direct action against offending media institutions.
http://mediamatters.org/p/about_us/
Your ignorance seems to be growing young jedi. That is to be expected from a conservative.
MM does a great job achieving their stated goals.
Fox News does well because conservatives love to be lied to on a nightly basis. They love to hear how everything is the other guys fault. How conservatives never do anything wrong and all the problems are the fault of the other guy. It's a great world to live in. It's all pure bullshit, but so what. It makes them happy.
CNN covers the news. Sometimes in the news conservatives look like douchebags. Well if you are conservative you can't handle that. Then it's "an attack" on them. Regardless if it's true or not. They are like children that can't handle any criticism.
If you actually believe any of that you deserved to be lied to.
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#471007 - 01/15/10 10:44 AM
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Porn Jesus
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the people vehemently disagree watch too.
HA!
The two loyalest listeners I knew of SavageNation were both lefties. I don't know any conservative that listen to him.
Personally, I don't watch the news much. It's too polarized, bad news/disaster oriented when not on politics.
Don't care for CNN, and don't watch it at all. I likely watch Fox more than MSNBC. During the election, I watched more MSNBC.
During Bush, I liked Olbermann. I think he's funny. But, I never delude myself into believing what he said was "news" or the "truth". He's more a comic columnist with an agenda. But, often, it's my agenda, too.
FWIW, it seems to me that indignant anger and fear mongering attracts conservatives [Rush/O'Reilly/Dobbs/Savage] and satire and humor draws the lefties [Olbermann/Stewart].
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#471008 - 01/15/10 11:33 AM
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Porn Jesus
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^^^All the news is partisan nowadays even in print, but when the words are in front of you and you can read beyond an eighth grade level (which sadly most adults can’t) it’s much easier to pick out the bias. That’s why I prefer to get my news through the RSS news feeds.
Whether it is fear mongering/indignant anger or whether it’s just humor/satire depends on your agenda and your bias. A lot of conservatives find Rush hysterical, not me though, there is only one conservative, that I can think of now, that can make me laugh and it’s Dennis Miller.
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#471010 - 01/15/10 03:45 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Danny Glover's suggestion that the Earth itself somehow decided to erupt and kill and maim hundreds of thousands of black Haitians because a bunch of mainly white people couldn't figure out a way to deal with global warming is mind blowing, to say the least. What Pat Robertson said in his smear about the people of Haiti and a pact with the devil is bad enough, but at least there was a kind of twisted cause and effect going on there. According to Danny Glover, the Earth is such a vicious bitch that she decided to kill a bunch of people who had nothing to do with what seems to be irritating her.
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Apparently it's not just the people on the right that are insensitive scum bags. Fuck you Danny Glover!
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#471012 - 01/15/10 08:50 PM
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Bukkake Boy
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There is only one body in the US that regulates nonprofits. That's the IRS.
Wholly untrue.
In NYS until 15 years ago, both the Department of State and the NYS AG's office regulated them in New York. The former dealt with registration and the later with reporting & enforcement. In 1995/6, as a cost saver, etc., that was consolidated to the AG.
"All charitable organizations operating in New York State are required by law to register and file annual financial reports with the Attorney General's Office. This includes any organization that conducts charitable activities, holds property that is used for charitable purposes, or solicits financial or other contributions."
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I've worked on cases where people went to jail. In one case, data I was able to retrieve from a seized PC cost a lawyer his freedom and his profession [convicted felons can't practice law].
For example, he tried to hide purchases he made with trust funds for collectable wines he got from a Florida PBS auction as "investments" for the trust. The WordPerfect print-out entitled "My Wine Collection" from his personal PC made his lawyer's contention look silly.
And, once a jury thinks you lied, you're sunk. 
I was referring to federal or nationwide regulatory agencies. Californian nonprofits have to file with the Registry of Charitable trusts, and comply with the Nonprofit Regulatory Act of 2004. There's nothing comparable to the SEC, ATF, or FDA out there - that I'm aware of.
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#471013 - 01/15/10 09:41 PM
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Hollywood nitwit Danny Glover's comments are funnier than Robertson's. He said the quake was caused by global warming and the fact that an agreement was not reached in Copenhagen - lol:
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/bighollywood/2010/01/15/danny-glover-hollywoods-pat-robertson-blames-haiti-quake-on-inaction-at-copenhagen/
I saw Wycliff Jean say in an interview that Odumba should "declare a state of emergency" and respond the same way he would if the quake had happened in America because there are millions of Haitians in America. Oh, so that's how it works- lol. I guess we should go ahead and put all of the survivers on welfare and food stamps.
The quake coverage is following the same media trajectory as in all of these situations. Soon the liberal mainstream media (CNN, NBC, NY Times etc) will be explaining how America is somehow at fault and has not done enough.
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#471015 - 01/16/10 02:36 AM
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...there is only one conservative, that I can think of now, that can make me laugh and it’s Dennis Miller.
Too bad he stopped being funny decades ago.
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#471016 - 01/16/10 03:22 PM
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Bukkake Boy
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Wow.
I have a couple of questions here.
1) How many of you diehard liberals and conservatives actually voted in the last election?
2) How many of you diehard conservatives are pissed at the way the religious right has hijacked your party?
3) How many of you diehard liberals are pissed that Obama seems to be accomplishing jack fucking squat? (Ok, the universal health care thing is good, I'll admit, but I was expecting a lot fucking more from this man.)
4) Is it just me or is the political landscape in the US fucked up right now?
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#471017 - 01/16/10 05:00 PM
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Ok, the universal health care thing is good, I'll admit, but I was expecting a lot fucking more from this man.)
I have a few questions too. How many of you libs are under the impression that you won't have to buy health insurance under bureaucrat-care (lol)? "Universal" healthcare won't mean it's free, unless you happen to be totally penniless. Instead of an employer paying, you'll have to pay yourself into a one size fits all scheme. If you don't, the IRS will fine you and garnish wages. Yep, that's the plan. It won't be cheaper, at least not for long. This is government we're talking about.
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#471019 - 01/16/10 11:30 PM
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Ok, the universal health care thing is good, I'll admit, but I was expecting a lot fucking more from this man.)
I have a few questions too. How many of you libs are under the impression that you won't have to buy health insurance under bureaucrat-care (lol)? "Universal" healthcare won't mean it's free, unless you happen to be totally penniless. Instead of an employer paying, you'll have to pay yourself into a one size fits all scheme. If you don't, the IRS will fine you and garnish wages. Yep, that's the plan. It won't be cheaper, at least not for long. This is government we're talking about.
Do you ever stop sucking Ayn Rand's cock?
Good one! And very on point! My comment really had a lot to do with Ayn Rand. You should host the retarded version of Point/Counterpoint.
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#471022 - 01/17/10 06:09 AM
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If you want our government to run our health care, fine, and by run I mean run into the ground, because that is exactly what they will do. I for one want health care that at least fractionally better than what the Haitians currently receive, but to each their own.
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#471023 - 01/17/10 07:25 AM
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...there is only one conservative, that I can think of now, that can make me laugh and it’s Dennis Miller.
Too bad he stopped being funny decades ago.
I really liked it when he was on HBO falling down drunk doing his monologue. Weekend update was a riot too. Sober Dennis miller is no fun.
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#471024 - 01/17/10 07:33 AM
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I saw Wycliff Jean say in an interview that Odumba should "declare a state of emergency" and respond the same way he would if the quake had happened in America because there are millions of Haitians in America. Oh, so that's how it works- lol. I guess we should go ahead and put all of the survivers on welfare and food stamps.
America as the new Rome. Everyone wants their hand daddy's pocket, but everyone wants to trash him at the same time.
Haiti could be a cheaper Austrailia for the US. Think about it for a sec. Gitmo closes (win for libs). Current Haitians move to Miami (win for victims). US gets a penal colony on the order of Escape from NY/LA (win for conservatives). The Brits did it 200 yrs ago, and look at all the hot babes that came out of that deal. Everyone wins baby!
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#471025 - 01/17/10 07:42 AM
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America as the new Rome.
And health care is Obamas fiddle. Play on Mr. President, play on.
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#471028 - 01/17/10 12:15 PM
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Obama has never claimed it would be free healthcare, just universally available at a cost.
In the US, it already is. Have an accident, go to a hospital and you will get service.
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There's a claim it would be cheaper by forcing those who don't need coverage or don't want it into the insurance pools. That lowers individual costs for some - only for those who want that coverage, not for everyone! - but does not lower overall national costs.
This is the first time the US has mandated anything without wanting it directly or indirectly. Don't want health insurance, pay a fine, enforceable by the IRS. These are the same kind folks who presume you guilty before proving their accusation, can fine you with running interest, seize your property, home, etc... This scenario differs from the auto insurance argument insofar as I do not have to buy a car (perhaps I live in Manhattan). Even if I did, I do not necessarily have to drive it (ie, a matching numbers '72 Cutlass convertible in the garage hoping that their will be asset appreciation some day). While we are at it, why should I be required to purchase auto insurance. What if I am like Panzer-- independently wealthy-- and can afford to self insure?
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The cost estimates are certainly bogus, enormously so. They assume that people who get insurance will use no more services than they used when they had no insurance. This is absurd: anyone paying hundreds of dollars per month for insurance they didn't have before is going to milk it for every penny.
If you have the time to wait for an appointment. Perhaps the best case will be 3 mos out... Canadian or UK healthcare as a worst case? Anything that the Canadians and Brits can do, Americans can do better-- I say the US socialized healthcare waiting time will be 30% longer than the UK / Canadian wait.
Also consider that Social Security is another wealth transfer scheme that relies on current payers to subsidize current beneficiaries. How's that working out?
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(remember, the insurance isn't free. Typically the employer picks up a big chunk or the cost, but a lot is from a benefit column on your paycheck. And if you don't have an employer to cover part of the cost, you must pay it all yourself)
If you want it. I can think of times that I willingly did without the expense of health insurance.
JV, the only way out of paying the price for Obammies' spending is to hope 12/21/2012 is the end of the game. Otherwise, learn Chinese. Even without Obammies' help, the dollar is under attack from the Chinese and OPEC. The empire is going down.
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#471029 - 01/17/10 02:38 PM
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Yahweh, Jesus and Red Grange...
Best line in this thread. Red Grange?!? Hilarious.
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#471030 - 01/17/10 03:51 PM
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Ok, the universal health care thing is good, I'll admit, but I was expecting a lot fucking more from this man.)
I have a few questions too. How many of you libs are under the impression that you won't have to buy health insurance under bureaucrat-care (lol)? "Universal" healthcare won't mean it's free, unless you happen to be totally penniless. Instead of an employer paying, you'll have to pay yourself into a one size fits all scheme. If you don't, the IRS will fine you and garnish wages. Yep, that's the plan. It won't be cheaper, at least not for long. This is government we're talking about.
Do you ever stop sucking Ayn Rand's cock?
Good one! And very on point! My comment really had a lot to do with Ayn Rand. You should host the retarded version of Point/Counterpoint.
Yeah because it's a hard stretch of the imagination to compare your blah blah fucking blah "the poor little employer" bullshit to Atlas Shrugged. You probably masturbate fantasizing about John Stossel raping your ass while Margret Thatcher shits in your mouth.
Right! It's not a stretch to link Ayn Rand with "poor little employer bullshit" and with my observation that many think they won't have to pay for health insurance anymore under the proposed bill. You've devastated me with another incisive jab!
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#471031 - 01/17/10 04:50 PM
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There's a claim it would be cheaper by forcing those who don't need coverage or don't want it into the insurance pools. That lowers individual costs for some - only for those who want that coverage, not for everyone! - but does not lower overall national costs.
According to that letter the CBO wrote Evan Bayh, it doesn't make premiums cheaper for anybody. Premiums go up in the individual market, but because of all the income-based subsidies will mean more people will buy better coverage. Forcing people into the insurance pools isn't going to lower costs at all.
Then, you look at the CMS report. That bill will make what this country spends on health care increase even faster than it does under the current system. This country already spends twice as much as European nations on health care. Those guys are just as healthy and already have universal coverage. So, what do we do? Our liberals get all worked up trying to pass a bill that makes our health care costs go up faster!
There are income-based subsidies in the bill, which come in pretty good if you've got a couple of kids to claim on your taxes, and tax credits for small business that make health insurance more affordable for some.
But overall, this bill is just a bunch of band-aids on a broken system that's driving this country in the wrong direction. Yeah, some will be able to afford health care who couldn't thanks to the income tax tweaks. But, the country as a whole is just gonna get sucked further and further into this health care mess, spending more and more money on it. These new band-aids just hide the problem from more people. So, all the stupid liberals who think govt is this magical place that can just write a check and the problem goes away will have even less of an idea of how broken our system is.
I'm hoping the silver lining is that all these "govt is a panacea" idiots will have had their go at having government formally enter the insurance business. Now that it's failed, they'll finally realize it just won't pass? Democrats had 60 seats. It's not going to get better than that. The public option was the only cost control in this bill. So now, if liberals can finally get past that idea, maybe they'll be more prone towards supporting cost controls based on opening up the markets towards more direct competition, like the Healthy Americans Act?
I'm surprised so many conservatives are so strictly against mandating health insurance. I'm against it till you address cost controls and affordability. But, once you have the practical problems fixed... We get tax breaks for all kinds of crazy shit. Why can't you get a tax break for having health insurance?
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#471032 - 01/17/10 08:33 PM
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Ok, the universal health care thing is good, I'll admit, but I was expecting a lot fucking more from this man.)
I have a few questions too. How many of you libs are under the impression that you won't have to buy health insurance under bureaucrat-care (lol)? "Universal" healthcare won't mean it's free, unless you happen to be totally penniless. Instead of an employer paying, you'll have to pay yourself into a one size fits all scheme. If you don't, the IRS will fine you and garnish wages. Yep, that's the plan. It won't be cheaper, at least not for long. This is government we're talking about.
Do you ever stop sucking Ayn Rand's cock?
Good one! And very on point! My comment really had a lot to do with Ayn Rand. You should host the retarded version of Point/Counterpoint.
Yeah because it's a hard stretch of the imagination to compare your blah blah fucking blah "the poor little employer" bullshit to Atlas Shrugged. You probably masturbate fantasizing about John Stossel raping your ass while Margret Thatcher shits in your mouth.
Right! It's not a stretch to link Ayn Rand with "poor little employer bullshit" and with my observation that many think they won't have to pay for health insurance anymore under the proposed bill. You've devastated me with another incisive jab!
No, I would have to pay for the health care through higher taxes. which seems pretty moot at this point anyways as the neocon attack dogs have pretty much gutted the entire thing. I really fail to see the difference between paying for socialized medicine and seeing if it can possibly do a shittier job of health care than your precious private sector has managed to do, which is basically a tax (health insurance) which does virtually nothing except pay the salaries of the corrupt middle men bureaucrats (yes, corporations can have bureaucrats too) entrenched in the current health care system while raising rates and then turning around and denying as many claims as they can.
and since you're such a poor oppressed rich man, obviously suffering from the tyranny of the left wing's taxes I'll I'd literally flick a penny in your fucking face to pay for the extra expense my horrible socialist provided health insurance that you would have had stolen from you. (even though it would realistically probably be more like a tenth of a penny)
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#471033 - 01/17/10 09:10 PM
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If you want our government to run our health care
Personally I would HATE if the government ran the health care. But, I would like the government to compete with the insurance companies.
Not trying to debate this, but I should be on government health care now [Medicare A, B & D].
But I opted to go with Medicare C which is actually private health insurance that covers A, B & D.
This was one of the good things Bush did with Medicare reform. He let private companies in. So instead of Medicare getting my $100, GHI does.
And, I don't have the $200 deduct or the 20% co-pays, but a PPO plan that gives me a $10 for primary and $20 co-pay for specialists.
I pay a bit extra [about $35/month this year] to have the option of going to doctors outside the plan and to avoid the "donut" for generic drugs.
I think this competition has worked quite well for me. And, for the companies involved [most are so excited to get you that they'll even send someone to your house to explain the plan]. And, Medicare gets some relief, too.
There are so many companies participating in NYC that all the options are a bit overwhelming at first glance. And, the system is so new that "established" retirees are unfamiliar with it and instead often pay for plans to cover Medicare out-of-pocket expenses when these would be cheaper and more economical for them.
I don't see competition as a bad thing, so I support a gov't option.
But, 100% gov't run ... no, thank you.
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#471034 - 01/17/10 11:04 PM
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Personally I would HATE if the government ran the health care. But, I would like the government to compete with the insurance companies.
It amuses me some people think the government would just compete. 10 years and especially 20 years later, it just becomes government subsidies.
Some single payer advocates have gone on the record stating that they consider the public option as a transition towards single payer. Barney Frank is one of them. Stating this despite the obvious political backlash.
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But I opted to go with Medicare C which is actually private health insurance that covers A, B & D.
Medicare part C is Medicare Advantage. You realize this bill cuts that program?
A big way this bill tries to pay for itself in the federal budget is cuts to Medicare. Half a trillion in cuts. Then, you read the Center for Medicare Services report and it basically says that level of cuts is just not possible. But, the bill says it so they can get a good fiscal rating from the CBO. And, Obama can run around saying, "saves money on the deficit in the 1st decade, and the 2nd!".
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This was one of the good things Bush did with Medicare reform. He let private companies in. So instead of Medicare getting my $100, GHI does.
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I think this competition has worked quite well for me. And, for the companies involved [most are so excited to get you that they'll even send someone to your house to explain the plan]. And, Medicare gets some relief, too.
Ah, you think govt could compete because you see it in Medicare? I'm not familiar with how Medicare evolved so that private companies got in. But, you're saying Bush let them in. So now, the very next president is supporting a bill which we're inches from passing that's cutting the program that lets private insurers compete.
You see how government programs over time have a tendency towards just getting bigger? Competing with private industry is just not something that's in the DNA.
I can see how you can draw a line in the sand and assume politicians will be strict about obeying that competition line. But in reality, the only thing politicians are strict about is making sure they have enough money to run their next campaign. And, government only gets bigger.
I had to verify something while I was writing this. Here's a PBS story on the history of Medicare Advantage. I've just skimmed it: Click
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#471036 - 01/18/10 11:17 AM
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if it can possibly do a shittier job of health care than your precious private sector has managed to do
Balut, if an industry is messed up, why do you want a government take-over of it? That's how they traditionally do it in communist and socialist countries. Why not just restructure regulations? That's how we traditionally it in this country.
Like, the credit card industry is rampant with horrendous practices right now. Do you want regulations telling that industry they can't do those things? Or, do you want the govt to enter the credit card business?
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#471037 - 01/19/10 01:17 AM
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if it can possibly do a shittier job of health care than your precious private sector has managed to do
Balut, if an industry is messed up, why do you want a government take-over of it? That's how they traditionally do it in communist and socialist countries. Why not just restructure regulations? That's how we traditionally it in this country.
Like, the credit card industry is rampant with horrendous practices right now. Do you want regulations telling that industry they can't do those things? Or, do you want the govt to enter the credit card business?
lol, you're seriously asking me if I think the gov should be able to step in and gut the current credit card system as it is? I won't even get into this. Do you want private sector run highway system? How about gas/electric/water or garbage? How about the military, the rights single pearl of absolute socialism. Explain to me how both Japan and England have a far better run health care system than us and one is completely socialist and one is completely capitalist. It's because the way it's run in our country is fucked, it's not exactly "capitalism" that's the problem, it's the crony gangster corporate monopoly strangle hold that we have. Not to say the English or Japanese system's aren't fucked up in their own ways (Japan's government is far more fucked and racist in it's own way than people realize. Most people just have a stupid japophile, weeboo delusion of it being some panacea of enlightenment) I don't really give a shit about talking about it anymore. I'm not a Smartt man. I'll leave it to the book learned folks to debate further. I'm just disgusted with the joe the plumberesque level of garbage a lot of you spew. And I don't believe in any kind of "fair debate" because the right has such a deep stranglehold on everything.
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#471038 - 01/19/10 05:55 AM
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The federal gov doles out the money to the states to take care of the highways, with very mixed results. Most utility companies are private sector enterprises same with garbage companies. Competition keeps costs down. It's not the federal government that runs, police forces or fire departments, they are run, and mostly paid for, on a local gov level. Japan and England don't have better health care systems, just more affordable ones.
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#471039 - 01/19/10 05:11 PM
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Well, aside from certain ownership issues have2 corrected for you, you did manage to get something right in that mosh pit of a thought process: Quote:
It's because the way it's run in our country is fucked, it's not exactly "capitalism" that's the problem, it's the crony gangster corporate monopoly strangle hold that we have.
Watching a naive ideologue with no experience become president, all the while making grandiose promises about how he was gonna squash special interests and get real reform. Then, his center piece, health care reform, has sweet-ass back room deals for every involved industry and constituency with well-organized representation you can think of... There's too much power in lobbying. Simplifying the tax code, control costs in health care, I'm really starting to realize it's just not gonna happen till there's real campaign finance reform.
After Obama's failure in conquering special interests in health care reform, he damn well better say something about campaign finance reform in his upcoming state of the union. Otherwise, it's going to be way too obvious he's not willing to fight as much as he campaigned saying he would.
Oh, and the reason our military is spectacular isn't because govt is an efficient manager. It's because we spend ridiculous sums of money on it. Given your liberal bias, I can't imagine you don't have better examples of the rampant spending on the military than I do. Especially with the Afghan and Iraqi wars going on...
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#471041 - 01/19/10 11:41 PM
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Well, aside from certain ownership issues have2 corrected for you, you did manage to get something right in that mosh pit of a thought process:
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It's because the way it's run in our country is fucked, it's not exactly "capitalism" that's the problem, it's the crony gangster corporate monopoly strangle hold that we have.
Watching a naive ideologue with no experience become president, all the while making grandiose promises about how he was gonna squash special interests and get real reform. Then, his center piece, health care reform, has sweet-ass back room deals for every involved industry and constituency with well-organized representation you can think of... There's too much power in lobbying. Simplifying the tax code, control costs in health care, I'm really starting to realize it's just not gonna happen till there's real campaign finance reform.
After Obama's failure in conquering special interests in health care reform, he damn well better say something about campaign finance reform in his upcoming state of the union. Otherwise, it's going to be way too obvious he's not willing to fight as much as he campaigned saying he would.
Oh, and the reason our military is spectacular isn't because govt is an efficient manager. It's because we spend ridiculous sums of money on it. Given your liberal bias, I can't imagine you don't have better examples of the rampant spending on the military than I do. Especially with the Afghan and Iraqi wars going on...
Obama fucking sucks. He's just another self serving stuffed suit. That being said I find the majority of the right still far far worse.
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#471042 - 01/20/10 02:57 AM
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Do you realize that the most populace states are the ones that have fit the federal bill to support the most poverty stricken backwards conservative controlled states right? You know, all the ones where the scum bag politicians easily manipulate evangelical voters into thinking they actually give a shit about them to further their own control over the nation? All the red states should be allowed to succeed from the union and form their own state, it would be a third world country with in a year.
I have read this twelve (12) times, and still have no idea what you are trying to say. Seriously.
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#471043 - 01/20/10 05:44 AM
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^^^^
Forget it, he's rolling.
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#471046 - 01/20/10 05:03 PM
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I know I can't spell, don't care. It's irrelevant.
Belay the excuses, fucknuts. You thought that was the actual phrase. Fucking ignorant blowhard.
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