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Obama has never claimed it would be free healthcare, just universally available at a cost.



In the US, it already is. Have an accident, go to a hospital and you will get service.


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There's a claim it would be cheaper by forcing those who don't need coverage or don't want it into the insurance pools. That lowers individual costs for some - only for those who want that coverage, not for everyone! - but does not lower overall national costs.



This is the first time the US has mandated anything without wanting it directly or indirectly. Don't want health insurance, pay a fine, enforceable by the IRS. These are the same kind folks who presume you guilty before proving their accusation, can fine you with running interest, seize your property, home, etc... This scenario differs from the auto insurance argument insofar as I do not have to buy a car (perhaps I live in Manhattan). Even if I did, I do not necessarily have to drive it (ie, a matching numbers '72 Cutlass convertible in the garage hoping that their will be asset appreciation some day). While we are at it, why should I be required to purchase auto insurance. What if I am like Panzer-- independently wealthy-- and can afford to self insure?


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The cost estimates are certainly bogus, enormously so. They assume that people who get insurance will use no more services than they used when they had no insurance. This is absurd: anyone paying hundreds of dollars per month for insurance they didn't have before is going to milk it for every penny.



If you have the time to wait for an appointment. Perhaps the best case will be 3 mos out... Canadian or UK healthcare as a worst case? Anything that the Canadians and Brits can do, Americans can do better-- I say the US socialized healthcare waiting time will be 30% longer than the UK / Canadian wait.

Also consider that Social Security is another wealth transfer scheme that relies on current payers to subsidize current beneficiaries. How's that working out?


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(remember, the insurance isn't free. Typically the employer picks up a big chunk or the cost, but a lot is from a benefit column on your paycheck. And if you don't have an employer to cover part of the cost, you must pay it all yourself)



If you want it. I can think of times that I willingly did without the expense of health insurance.

JV, the only way out of paying the price for Obammies' spending is to hope 12/21/2012 is the end of the game. Otherwise, learn Chinese. Even without Obammies' help, the dollar is under attack from the Chinese and OPEC. The empire is going down.