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Shaken like a Haiten... I'm hittin every news source comment section I can find with that one. That's an LC exclusive btw.

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Bill O'Reily decided to lead off his show by saying that if you donate to Haitian relief your money will probably be stolen. Then he tacitly blamed liberals for Haiti's problems.

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Bill O'Reily decided to lead off his show by saying that if you donate to Haitian relief your money will probably be stolen. Then he tacitly blamed liberals for Haiti's problems.

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Bill O'Reily decided to lead off his show by saying that if you donate to Haitian relief your money will probably be stolen. Then he tacitly blamed liberals for Haiti's problems.



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That's the gospel truth. It's hard to fault him for that. There will be so much graft and corruption while the bodycount mounts and the stench rises. Life is not worth much down there.

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My understanding is that the Salvation Army is excellent about keeping down the overhead and seeing to it that a healthy portion of one's contribution go to directly help the needy,

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And there is the problem. They don't record the crazy stuff that Matthews and Olbermann say. They want people to believe that they are being a watchdog for the entire media when they only watch one side of it. If they were really on the up and up they would stop deceiving people and call themselves Liberal Media Matters.

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Was O'Reilly talking about Haiti's corruption or the "alleged" charities?

In one of the few times I wholeheartedly agreed with Bill, he took on the Red Cross and other charities when they used funds sent to help with 9/11 to pad their reserves.

I used to print the charity graphs for NYS. It was FRIGHTENING how little actual gets to the "cause" and how much is absorbed by the entity. Even "trusted" charities - American Red Cross, United Way - had some dreadful abuses IMO. First class plane tickets, padded salaries for top people [usually related to politicians] out of whack with the others, executive perks GALORE!!

Some charities SELL there fundraising. That is, they get a guaranteed amount from a private entity who then gets to keep most of what they raise above that amount. So your cash pads someone's pocket and never gets to the cause.

It left me mistrusting all charities. Unless forced, I don't give to ANY.

With Haiti, adding world-class corrupt foreign officials to greedy corrupt American charities cannot breed financial stability for the enterprise ... it's like sweeping flies ... your cash isn't going to get there.



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Supposing there's merit to what you're saying, nonprofits aren't compelled to be impartial. That's why, just to give you two examples, there are many antiabortion and sexual purity nonprofits. Conservatives are just as capable of forming a 501(3)c devoted solely to exposing so-called liberal media bias. Hop to it.

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In NYS until 15 years ago, both the Department of State and the NYS AG's office regulated them in New York. The former dealt with registration and the later with reporting & enforcement. In 1995/6, as a cost saver, etc., that was consolidated to the AG.

"All charitable organizations operating in New York State are required by law to register and file annual financial reports with the Attorney General's Office. This includes any organization that conducts charitable activities, holds property that is used for charitable purposes, or solicits financial or other contributions."

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I've worked on cases where people went to jail. In one case, data I was able to retrieve from a seized PC cost a lawyer his freedom and his profession [convicted felons can't practice law].

For example, he tried to hide purchases he made with trust funds for collectable wines he got from a Florida PBS auction as "investments" for the trust. The WordPerfect print-out entitled "My Wine Collection" from his personal PC made his lawyer's contention look silly.

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Media Matters is just the latest iteration of the same sort of thing. Conservatives laugh at them when they say they are being a fair watchdog, just as liberals laugh when FOX news says they’re fair and balanced.

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Not really. If Pat has a pipeline to God and this is God's justice, he theoretically know the extent of the punishment.

The survivors might want to repent. It's Pat's mission to "save" as many of the survivors as possible.

So, I don't see any Christian violation in that.



But, since I doubt Pat is God's prophet, I wouldn't want to be Pat's attorney when he stands before Yahweh, Jesus and Red Grange?? for multiple violations of Matthew 7:1:

"Do not judge, or you, too, will be judged."




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There was a time, in this country, when a journalist would report on a story no matter which side of the aisle it cast in a bad light. That began to change when CNN came along and was loathed to do stories that cast any dispersion on the left.

FOX news took the same sort of partisan journalism and did it better than CNN, look at the ratings, but why you hate FOX isn’t that they’re doing it better than CNN, you hate it because they’re not doing it for your side.

Media Matters is just the latest iteration of the same sort of thing. Conservatives laugh at them when they say they are being a fair watchdog, just as liberals laugh when FOX news says they’re fair and balanced.

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I think that sums it up fairly.

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I love when you say stuff like this because it just proves you have no idea what you are talking about. Media Matters has never claimed to be anything of the sort. From their website:

About Us

Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

Launched in May 2004, Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation — news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda — every day, in real time.

Using the website mediamatters.org as the principal vehicle for disseminating research and information, Media Matters posts rapid-response items as well as longer research and analytic reports documenting conservative misinformation throughout the media. Additionally, Media Matters works daily to notify activists, journalists, pundits, and the general public about instances of misinformation, providing them with the resources to rebut false claims and to take direct action against offending media institutions.

http://mediamatters.org/p/about_us/

Your ignorance seems to be growing young jedi. That is to be expected from a conservative.

MM does a great job achieving their stated goals.

Fox News does well because conservatives love to be lied to on a nightly basis. They love to hear how everything is the other guys fault. How conservatives never do anything wrong and all the problems are the fault of the other guy. It's a great world to live in. It's all pure bullshit, but so what. It makes them happy.

CNN covers the news. Sometimes in the news conservatives look like douchebags. Well if you are conservative you can't handle that. Then it's "an attack" on them. Regardless if it's true or not. They are like children that can't handle any criticism.

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Danny Glover's suggestion that the Earth itself somehow decided to erupt and kill and maim hundreds of thousands of black Haitians because a bunch of mainly white people couldn't figure out a way to deal with global warming is mind blowing, to say the least. What Pat Robertson said in his smear about the people of Haiti and a pact with the devil is bad enough, but at least there was a kind of twisted cause and effect going on there. According to Danny Glover, the Earth is such a vicious bitch that she decided to kill a bunch of people who had nothing to do with what seems to be irritating her.

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In NYS until 15 years ago, both the Department of State and the NYS AG's office regulated them in New York. The former dealt with registration and the later with reporting & enforcement. In 1995/6, as a cost saver, etc., that was consolidated to the AG.

"All charitable organizations operating in New York State are required by law to register and file annual financial reports with the Attorney General's Office. This includes any organization that conducts charitable activities, holds property that is used for charitable purposes, or solicits financial or other contributions."

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I've worked on cases where people went to jail. In one case, data I was able to retrieve from a seized PC cost a lawyer his freedom and his profession [convicted felons can't practice law].

For example, he tried to hide purchases he made with trust funds for collectable wines he got from a Florida PBS auction as "investments" for the trust. The WordPerfect print-out entitled "My Wine Collection" from his personal PC made his lawyer's contention look silly.

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I saw Wycliff Jean say in an interview that Odumba should "declare a state of emergency" and respond the same way he would if the quake had happened in America because there are millions of Haitians in America. Oh, so that's how it works- lol. I guess we should go ahead and put all of the survivers on welfare and food stamps.

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The cost estimates are certainly bogus, enormously so. They assume that people who get insurance will use no more services than they used when they had no insurance. This is absurd: anyone paying hundreds of dollars per month for insurance they didn't have before is going to milk it for every penny.

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Personally I would HATE if the government ran the health care. But, I would like the government to compete with the insurance companies.

Not trying to debate this, but I should be on government health care now [Medicare A, B & D].

But I opted to go with Medicare C which is actually private health insurance that covers A, B & D.

This was one of the good things Bush did with Medicare reform. He let private companies in. So instead of Medicare getting my $100, GHI does.

And, I don't have the $200 deduct or the 20% co-pays, but a PPO plan that gives me a $10 for primary and $20 co-pay for specialists.

I pay a bit extra [about $35/month this year] to have the option of going to doctors outside the plan and to avoid the "donut" for generic drugs.


I think this competition has worked quite well for me. And, for the companies involved [most are so excited to get you that they'll even send someone to your house to explain the plan]. And, Medicare gets some relief, too.

There are so many companies participating in NYC that all the options are a bit overwhelming at first glance. And, the system is so new that "established" retirees are unfamiliar with it and instead often pay for plans to cover Medicare out-of-pocket expenses when these would be cheaper and more economical for them.

I don't see competition as a bad thing, so I support a gov't option.



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Like, the credit card industry is rampant with horrendous practices right now. Do you want regulations telling that industry they can't do those things? Or, do you want the govt to enter the credit card business?

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After Obama's failure in conquering special interests in health care reform, he damn well better say something about campaign finance reform in his upcoming state of the union. Otherwise, it's going to be way too obvious he's not willing to fight as much as he campaigned saying he would.

Oh, and the reason our military is spectacular isn't because govt is an efficient manager. It's because we spend ridiculous sums of money on it. Given your liberal bias, I can't imagine you don't have better examples of the rampant spending on the military than I do. Especially with the Afghan and Iraqi wars going on...

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Do you realize that the most populace states are the ones that have fit the federal bill to support the most poverty stricken backwards conservative controlled states right? You know, all the ones where the scum bag politicians easily manipulate evangelical voters into thinking they actually give a shit about them to further their own control over the nation? All the red states should be allowed to succeed from the union and form their own state, it would be a third world country with in a year.

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