Well, you know what is behind my question, yes?

Some guys who like to watch "Slap Happy", "Gag Factor", Max Hardcore, etc. aren't really into the sex as much as the humiliation, are they?

Why not just give them what they're looking for without all that pretense of sex? They don't really want it and wouldn't miss it if it was gone, would they?

This is what the conversation was about.

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