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If John Muhammad has chosen to be a porn valley mope/parolee, rather than a sniper, what might have been his porn star name?

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17 to 3 so far. I'll never figure out why people are against it.

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There is nothing immoral or unethical with the death penalty, but I am not a supporter of it.

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I agree with Charin. For the most part.

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There is nothing immoral or unethical with the death penalty, but I am not a supporter of it.

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EY, can you explain how the death penalty is not unethical? And what are your reasons to not support it?

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The usual faux intelligence from E.Y. I agree with Charin that the government should never play God and take a life.

I do have a different twist though - I think the criminal should have the option to choose death or life in prison.

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Thank you, Whorebot.

There is no greater validation than being told by a Sarah Palin, Fox news fan that you don't appreciate my intellect--it is the internet equivalent of getting the Nobel Prize.

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I agree with Charin. For the most part.

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The usual faux intelligence from E.Y. I agree with Charin that the government should never play God and take a life.

I do have a different twist though - I think the criminal should have the option to choose death or life in prison.

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Thank you, Whorebot.

There is no greater validation than being told by a Sarah Palin, Fox news fan that you don't appreciate my intellect--it is the internet equivalent of getting the Nobel Prize.

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Murderers, repeat rapists and molesters, Madoffs, why go through the expense of room, board, and health care? And salaries for the guards, and building more prisons. These are people that chose to say, "Fuck the rules, I only care about myself and my desires". Revenge is only an aspect for those affected by the crime. Hard cash wasted on these individuals affects everyone.

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The usual faux intelligence from E.Y. I agree with Charin that the government should never play God and take a life.

I do have a different twist though - I think the criminal should have the option to choose death or life in prison.

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Thank you, Whorebot.

There is no greater validation than being told by a Sarah Palin, Fox news fan that you don't appreciate my intellect--it is the internet equivalent of getting the Nobel Prize.

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I'm an MSNBC watching liberal, and I think you are full of shit. Wrong on your facts, and wrong in your logic.

-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy

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I believe people who commit crimes such as the shooter executed in Virginia are mentally ill. Their actions alone convince me of that. I believe they should be humanely removed from society for the rest of their lives. They should not be killed because they have an illness we don't understand.

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Why, so more of our tax dollars can be poured into the prison system? When my money is used to house some asswipe who blatantly slaughtered an mother-father-children household, I think he should be killed.

Not only killed, but the sooner the better. Fuck the appeals process. If the evidence is plainly there, get it over with. And like Carlin said, let’s make PPV out of it, catapault the SOB against the brick wall or something...or perhaps “live crucifictions”!!!

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IIRC, E. Y. cannot understand my statements that an individual who commits a heinous crime is insane. He thinks only current legislation can determine who is insane. If you go around playing sniper in the suburbs, you're nuts. There is no cognitive dissonance in that argument.

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To an extent, I agree with that. Now, if motive could be proven, I’d still say kill him. But because the law can’t connect these killings to any reasoning, I’d say the dude belongs in a psych ward for the rest of his life. If anything, it might supply free lab rats for college psych students!

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I think every group of organized human beings down through the ages has agreed that some actions are so horrible that the appropriate punishment is the death penalty. The death penalty has been used by human beings since prehistoric times in just about every culture and religion in history.

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In a purely logical sense, if you assign appropriate punishments for various crimes, you quickly come to actions so grotesque that the death penalty easily fits the crime. All people on the globe inherently agree with this concept.

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I think that the way to get to the notion of the death penalty as an ethical response to an action comes from the deep investigation of lesser crimes and the ethical punishments that they warrant. I believe it is easy to run up against that death penalty mark if you start with lesser crimes and their ethical punishments first and work your way up slowly to more egregious actions. I think a person quickly will admit it is a fair and reasonable response for SOME very terrible crimes.

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The "Sickness" defense is a cheap ant-intellectual cop out. It would take me a couple of days to explain that better, but for now let me say that being sick does not relieve you of responsibility for your actions or prevent you from being punished for them, NOR SHOULD IT! I can walk through that in excruciating detail if you want, but only if you really don't get it.

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It is a matter of degrees, not black and white.

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Factually wrong, look around you.

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Very wrong on logic and facts.

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You are doing what you wrongly accused me of doing. You pre-determined that this scale would go from a slap on the wrist to death, and increment punishments according to your pre-defined scale to reach your pre-determined conclusion.

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Moot, for your purposes. You assume life in prison is not holding these mentally ill people to account.

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Either you throw the switch or you don't.

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Yeah we already know how you like awarding yourself prizes.

"And now the award for "Best Debate with Myself" goes to............E.Y. Davis!

E.Y. couldn't be here tonight so accepting the award on his behalf is Keith Olberman

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Which fact, which logic? Or do you really mean I hurt your feelings?

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Which fact, which logic? Or do you really mean I hurt your feelings?

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I pointed out which facts and which logic.

I don't think you can hurt my feelings on here unless you diss Gag Factor or the Beatles.

-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy

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On Dec. 30, Jesuit Fr. Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesperson, issued the following statement on Hussein's execution:
"Capital punishment is always tragic news, a motive of sadness, even when it's a case of a person guilty of grave crimes. The position of the Catholic church against the death penalty has been confirmed many times. The execution of the guilty party is not a path to reconstruct justice and to reconcile society. Indeed, there is the risk that, on the contrary, it may augment the spirit of revenge and sow seeds of new violence. In this dark time in the life of the Iraqi people, it can only be hoped that all the responsible parties truly will make every effort so that, in this dramatic situation, possibilities of reconciliation and peace may finally be opened."
Other reactions from senior church officials confirmed this judgment.
I spoke to a senior Vatican diplomat on Jan. 2, who told me that there had not been a private appeal to save Hussein's life from the pope prior to the execution, largely because there was no time. As late as Thursday and Friday of last week, this official said, the Vatican still hoped that a 30-day waiting period prior to any use of the death penalty prescribed in Iraqi law would be observed. In the end, this official said, the execution happened with "barbaric rapidity."
L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, editorialized that "making a spectacle" of the execution turned capital punishment into "an expression of political hubris." Hussein's death, the paper claimed, "represented, for the ways in which it happened and for the media attention it received, another example of the violation of the most basic rights of man."
Church officials offered several motives for opposing the execution.

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Simply shouting, "You are wrong, I am right!" may be a time honored method of debate here on XPT, but it really doesn't hold any water.

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Geek, speak for yourself.

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Shows your prejudices.

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And, you are showing you are a hater.

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And, for someone who uses "Geek" as a fucking screen name, you should pull your head out of your ass and learn how to post a God Damn picture, dumbass.

-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy

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Which prize have I awarded myself? I'll buy 1,000 copies of Sarah Palin's "book" if you can show me where I have awarded myself anything. I'm guessing you saw this on Fox News?

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You stupid douchebag - you just awarded yourself the equivalent of the Nobel Peace Prize in your own post! Congrats! you are in fine company with Empty-suit OhOh Obama. Just shut the fuck up and vote "present" like your messiah is doing on the Afghanistan surge. And don't worry about buying Palin's book right now - it's sold out on the first printing anyway.

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GSTATES WITHOUT THE DEATH PENALTY (YEAR ABOLISHED IN PARENTHESES)
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West Virginia (1965)
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So, yes, I agree with the people of West Virginia. I've been there, enjoyed that. Shows your prejudices.

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For the record, I have an uncle that ran shine.

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Which prize have I awarded myself? I'll buy 1,000 copies of Sarah Palin's "book" if you can show me where I have awarded myself anything. I'm guessing you saw this on Fox News?

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You stupid douchebag - you just awarded yourself the equivalent of the Nobel Peace Prize in your own post! Congrats! you are in fine company with Empty-suit OhOh Obama. Just shut the fuck up and vote "present" like your messiah is doing on the Afghanistan surge. And don't worry about buying Palin's book right now - it's sold out on the first printing anyway.

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If you don't want to face the death penalty then commit your hideous offenses in states or countries that don't have the death penalty.

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Reading comprehension is not a strong suite, is it?

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I love it.



-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy