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#453847 - 10/12/09 02:01 PM
Re: Obama Awarded Nobel Peace Prize
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Human Garbage
Registered: 04/02/09
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Loc: Mississippi
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Well, of course I am playing around by poking fun at George Bush just to stir the pot a bit. But, behind the "making fun" is the truth that if there hadn't been a George Bush, Obama would not have been awarded the Nobel prize.
Parse the language, rationalize, deny, and argue all you want, but Obama was awarded the Nobel prize because of George Bush.
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#453848 - 10/12/09 03:23 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 01/13/07
Posts: 1011
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The electoral vote is an archaic, out of date concept that does not have any real reason to still exist.
Damn, are you liberals still that bitter about the 2000 election that you'll make up things as to why he shouldn't have won?
The electoral college serves the purpose of spreading the vote out so that the smaller states would have more power than they otherwise would have in a straight population based vote.
After losing that election, Al Gore went on to make several ridiculous comments, including a movie based on pseudo-science that won him a Nobel. After losing, Gore proved what a looney he really is. You guys should be glad he didn't win. You'd have to be living down his legacy like the Republicans are having to live down Bush's.
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The thing is Obama clearly doesn't/didn't deserve a Nobel Peace prize even if the thing is meaningless. It just adds more hype to his jive and unnecessarily feeds his ego.
Everyone has already ceded that point.
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#453849 - 10/12/09 04:46 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/01/08
Posts: 9782
Loc: Hillbilly Holler
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"The electoral college serves the purpose of spreading the vote out so that the smaller states would have more power than they otherwise would have in a straight population based vote."
But it pretty much does the exact opposite now !
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#453851 - 10/12/09 07:38 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/01/08
Posts: 9782
Loc: Hillbilly Holler
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I'm tellin' ya ! We're screwed no matter which way we turn. Right or left it's just a matter of who you want to screw you !
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#453852 - 10/12/09 07:53 PM
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 717
Loc: Off the mortal coil
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What type of a clue did Obama's predecessor have? 
Nice attempt at a dodge, dumbfuck. Try anointing Obama without bringing up Bush and maybe I won't think you're a complete fucking moron.
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#453854 - 10/12/09 08:13 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 01/13/07
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Northrop, dude, the SCOTUS raised bogus Federal issues to order Florida's supreme appellate court to stop the recount. Whoever said that GOPers favored states' rights and judicial restraint. 
ivor, you pay way too much attention to the mainstream media. Whatever the story, they're gonna make it sound as exciting and controversial as possible to attract as many eyeballs to sell advertising. Bush won not only the court decision, but also 3 counts of the vote. BUSH WON, GET OVER IT. And no, nobody wants to know why you are determined you wanted a 4th recount. BUSH WON. That is all.
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#453855 - 10/12/09 08:54 PM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 09/19/05
Posts: 3576
Loc: Baltimore, MD
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I thought that conservatives were great respecters of process. Please try to reconcile Bush v. Gore's pre-emption of the state judicial process with a conservative's respect for judicial restraint and a due regard for states' rights. Forget about the mainstream media, go to the judicial opinions directly and reconcile them with traditional conservative jurisprudence.
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#453857 - 10/12/09 09:21 PM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 09/19/05
Posts: 3576
Loc: Baltimore, MD
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My short answer for now is that I doubt that the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment and its equal protection clause intended it to be used to usurp the authority of state courts in an election dispute, since that Amendment did not even enfrachise Blacks (the class of persons intended to be protected by the 14th Amendment), rather they were enfranchised by the Fifteeenth Amendment.
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#453858 - 10/12/09 11:48 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 5849
Loc: TX, USA
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Dubya did nothing to be elected president, in fact he wasn't elected, he was selected.
Nope - "elected" is the correct word. It was a tie vote and it was played out according to the rules. Federal law requires that the vote be counted _using rules that were in place when the vote was cast_. That's to prevent tampering in just such a case as this. The Florida courts can't change the rules for a federal election after it is held.
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Dubya did nothing to be elected president, in fact he wasn't elected, he was selected.
W. had been CEO of a couple of oil companies and was governor of Texas for eight years.
Moreover he was a _successful_ governor. It's not as though he flopped there and was elected President anyway. And his signature program was as a negotiated result of bipartisan compromise(!).
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Truman is often talked about as deserving war crimes indictments for dropping atomic bombs on Japan.
Nope - both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were carefully chosen to be legitimate military targets with respect to planned military operations (the invasion of mainland Japan). Hiroshima was basically an Army Group base; I forget offhand what installations were in Nagasaki.
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Don't forget the fact that Dubya joined a small community of Presidents that lost the popular vote but won the electoral vote. The electoral vote is an archaic, out of date concept that does not have any real reason to still exist.
Bush's election was waaaay inside the margin of error. A series of national recounts would have had random results, one Gore, the next Bush. Monte Carlo simulations suggest Bush really did win in the Electoral college, but only with a 55%-60% confidence - in other words, a tie vote no matter how you look at it.
Bill Clinton is a much stranger case. His first election was *far* worse than either of Bush jr's, and in fact Clinton's first was a landslide Republican vote ... but there were two Republicans running. Clinton won his second with less than 50% too.
(there's a warning for Republican there - after Carter in 76 it took the Democrats *32 years* until Obama managed to win an election cleanly with more than half the votes cast and beyond the margin of error)
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My short answer for now is that I doubt that the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment and its equal protection clause intended it to be used to usurp the authority of state courts in an election dispute
State courts don't have "final authority" in any election and haven't since the 1960's. And changing the counting rules after the voting starts has been forbidden longer than that.
I admit that's the a strangely-worded SCOTUS decision, but it's probably the only one ever written in 24 hrs and not over a period of months. They probably had to do all of the writing themselves rather than have clerks do the early drafts.
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#453860 - 10/13/09 04:32 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 01/13/07
Posts: 1011
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Truman is often talked about as deserving war crimes indictments for dropping atomic bombs on Japan.
Nope - both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were carefully chosen to be legitimate military targets with respect to planned military operations (the invasion of mainland Japan). Hiroshima was basically an Army Group base; I forget offhand what installations were in Nagasaki.
History Channel did some show based on the talk he should be a war ciminal, 2 of the 11 scholars said he should have been. One of them couldn't decide. Click
But, what I was remembering when I said that was some quote by Marshall were he talked about if the US had lost, Fat Man and Little Boy being war crimes. But, couldn't find it quickly.
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#453861 - 10/13/09 04:39 PM
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Registered: 10/19/06
Posts: 9958
Loc: fortified
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That was a complete waste of time to read...
Really. Maybe fire up a blog nothrust and pm the last 3 people that kicked the shit out you. Maybe, maybe.. there will be two people that dated them or were friends of friends that went to the hospital or to visit relatives and stopped by to wish you well that might read your ramblings, tard.
It must be frustrating to have the education you have but not be able to prove it...haha
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#453865 - 10/13/09 09:44 PM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 09/19/05
Posts: 3576
Loc: Baltimore, MD
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Not easy to decide what to do in Afghanistan. Do you want Osama bin Laden and/or Ayman al-Zawahri to receive a hero's welcome in a Taleban-controlled Kabul?
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#453866 - 10/13/09 09:59 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/30/08
Posts: 7599
Loc: a site known for its tolerance...
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Of course not. I will bet you this though: More American troops on Muslim soil makes heroes out of them already...
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#453867 - 10/14/09 05:44 AM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 09/19/05
Posts: 3576
Loc: Baltimore, MD
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Absolutely. I hate to see American troops kill Muslims. It is counterproductive to our long-range goal of reducing terrorism for precisely the reason that you stated. Don't like the idea of a strategy of getting more aggressive and increasing military engagements with the Taleban at all.
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