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This is not good. I don't know anything about her but if it is real cancer and it's in her lymphatic system it is tragic.

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I never really dug her, with that weird jaw line of hers.

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This is not good. I don't know anything about her but if it is real cancer and it's in her lymphatic system it is tragic.

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This is not good. I don't know anything about her but if it is real cancer and it's in her lymphatic system it is tragic.

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It's real bad when it gets into the lymph system. It can be treated, but it's tough. I met her once, about 6 years ago. She was a guest on a radio show I was part of. She was very nice, and unlike a lot of the women, she could hold a normal, intellegent conversation. She carried around this funny-looking yappy dog everywhere she went. I'm sort of surprised that AIM or Talent Testing hasn't come up with some sort of "buy-in" health insurance program from Kaiser or United health that these women (or anyone else in the adult business) could purchase. But, just like anyone else who's been on some sort of group health insurance where they pay the whole tab, it gets pretty expensive to pay for all on your own, and if the big bucks are no longer coming in, it might be too big a bill to pay.

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IMO...bring on socialized health care!! I'd love to see the US establish a system like Australia has which works wonderfully.

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IMO...bring on socialized health care!! I'd love to see the US establish a system like Australia has which works wonderfully.

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You wanna see your parents receiving end-of-life consultations?

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Well, I am all for universal health care for all Americans, but NOT so that every stripper who slips off the pole can get a free MRI!

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Look, I'm stuck at home, bored, and looking for any excuse to procrastinate further from doing the work I am supposed to be working on, are you sure you really want to get into this?

So your fear was that you were bleeding into your skull and needed emergency neurosurgery to prevent imminent death?

How many minutes elapsed from the time of the injury to your physical exam?

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no I wasn't afraid of that. It didn't seem that bad at the time, just painful.

My question to you is... Why do you think that strippers(whose job is physical and who often suffer injuries at work) are somehow not worthy of the healthcare you support for everyone else?

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A cpl days later I still had a headache though and went to my Dr who ordered a CAT scan to rule out any potentially dangerous problems since I hit my head pretty hard and was still having problems from it. Even though head trauma CAN be life threatening and the danger still exists days, sometimes weeks later.

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no I wasn't afraid of that. It didn't seem that bad at the time, just painful.

My question to you is... Why do you think that strippers(whose job is physical and who often suffer injuries at work) are somehow not worthy of the healthcare you support for everyone else?

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I think you took it a bit too personal. I was only trying to imply that some mild injury (e.g. stripper falling off the pole) does not compare to a major injury (e.g. firefighter falling 3 stories off a building) especially in a person who did not need to go emergently to an ER.

Your doctor was wrong, the insurance company was right--based on all the info you provided. God willing, you would not have gotten that CT scan under a government subsidized health care plan... because it simply was not warranted.

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A cpl days later I still had a headache though and went to my Dr who ordered a CAT scan to rule out any potentially dangerous problems since I hit my head pretty hard and was still having problems from it. Even though head trauma CAN be life threatening and the danger still exists days, sometimes weeks later.

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Please give me an example of those "potentially dangerous problems". What danger do you think exists weeks later? Feel free to consult google or your doctor (who ordered a test he knew you didn't need and would have provided the necessary paperwork to Humana if he really wanted you to get it).

Don't you get it? If your doctor felt it was really important for you to have a CT scan, all he had to do was pick up the telephone and discuss the case with Humana, or else (if he wasn't too lazy) he could have provided the appropriate documentation in the first place to justify a CT.

There is no justification for an MRI, by the way.

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My Dr was ordering the CAT scan to be safe. But any head trauma that is still exhibiting symptoms after a day or two warrants further testing. If Natasha Richardson had testing done..its likely she'd be alive now.

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Most doctors would have ordered the CT Scan if for nothing else as a CYA move on their part, so when 7 years from now the patient sues them, hoping to hit the lottery, the doc will have all the necessary ammo for the lawyer who is going to have perfect 20/20 hindsight on his every move. My wife is an ER & Rape nurse, and it's not at all unusual to be called into court many years and thousands of patients later to attempt to perfectly recount every single move made to treat a patient. It's one of the reasons people get so many tests and procedures for what may be a simple injury, because the doctor & his team will have to be able to make answer for any number of Monday Morning Quarterbacks who will 2nd, 3rd & 4th guess them in court.

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Most doctors would have ordered the CT Scan if for nothing else as a CYA move on their part, so when 7 years from now the patient sues them, hoping to hit the lottery, the doc will have all the necessary ammo for the lawyer who is going to have perfect 20/20 hindsight on his every move. My wife is an ER & Rape nurse, and it's not at all unusual to be called into court many years and thousands of patients later to attempt to perfectly recount every single move made to treat a patient. It's one of the reasons people get so many tests and procedures for what may be a simple injury, because the doctor & his team will have to be able to make answer for any number of Monday Morning Quarterbacks who will 2nd, 3rd & 4th guess them in court.

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Most doctors would have ordered the CT Scan if for nothing else as a CYA move on their part, so when 7 years from now the patient sues them, hoping to hit the lottery, the doc will have all the necessary ammo for the lawyer who is going to have perfect 20/20 hindsight on his every move. My wife is an ER & Rape nurse, and it's not at all unusual to be called into court many years and thousands of patients later to attempt to perfectly recount every single move made to treat a patient. It's one of the reasons people get so many tests and procedures for what may be a simple injury, because the doctor & his team will have to be able to make answer for any number of Monday Morning Quarterbacks who will 2nd, 3rd & 4th guess them in court.

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The lazy ones practice defensive medicine. The good ones practice evidence based medicine.

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A stripper falling off the pole can cause broken bones,possibly a broken neck,concussion,and many other serious injuries.

My Dr was ordering the CAT scan to be safe. But any head trauma that is still exhibiting symptoms after a day or two warrants further testing. If Natasha Richardson had testing done..its likely she'd be alive now.

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My wife works with some VERY good doctors. Doesn't matter if you're a poor doc or a good one. The lawyers are looking for their lottery jackpots.

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My wife works with some VERY good doctors. Doesn't matter if you're a poor doc or a good one. The lawyers are looking for their lottery jackpots.

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Ordering extra tests do not save you from losing a lawsuit. Another myth.

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Your example is why the United States has the most expensive health care in the world and only rank about 37th when it comes to outcomes. You, Cameron Keyes, are part of the problem. It isn't doctors doing tonsillectomies as somebody else claimed, it is strippers demanding CT scans and MRI scans a week after slipping off a pole because they have a headache (and the lazy doctor who orders an unnecessary test to placate their complaining, demanding patient).

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EY...yes I realize it is treatment that saves/helps...but you have to do the tests to determine the treatment. And no I didnt die obviously,but I do have problems stemming from it still..2 yrs later.

My Dr. had reasons for ordering the CAT scan. I didnt ask for(or demand)one.

My point is..when a Dr deems something is necessary,it should be respected. Possibly a second opinion needed to ensure the Dr. was correct. But healthcare should be up to the Dr and not some pencil pushing insurance rep who knows nothing about either medicine or the patient.

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EY...yes I realize it is treatment that saves/helps...but you have to do the tests to determine the treatment. And no I didnt die obviously,but I do have problems stemming from it still..2 yrs later.

My Dr. had reasons for ordering the CAT scan. I didnt ask for(or demand)one.

My point is..when a Dr deems something is necessary,it should be respected. Possibly a second opinion needed to ensure the Dr. was correct. But healthcare should be up to the Dr and not some pencil pushing insurance rep who knows nothing about either medicine or the patient.

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EY...yes I realize it is treatment that saves/helps...but you have to do the tests to determine the treatment. And no I didnt die obviously,but I do have problems stemming from it still..2 yrs later.

My Dr. had reasons for ordering the CAT scan. I didnt ask for(or demand)one.

My point is..when a Dr deems something is necessary,it should be respected. Possibly a second opinion needed to ensure the Dr. was correct. But healthcare should be up to the Dr and not some pencil pushing insurance rep who knows nothing about either medicine or the patient.

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Both you and SexDJ have clearly demonstrated what is wrong with our current health care system AND why insurance companies feel the need to second guess physicians better than any town hall meeting ever could.

Thousands upon thousands of Humana customers get CT scans every single day of the week. There is no shortage of people getting CT scans reimbursed from every single insurance company in America every single day of the week.

If your doctor has been practicing medicine for more than about 2 weeks he would have known what Humana required to see on your paperwork to justify reimbursement. I do not believe that he did not know that the paperwork he was submitting would be denied (unless he had only been in practice for a couple of weeks). Even then, all he had to do was submit an addendum or call them on the phone. Most likely he was contacted by Humana to tell him they were denying the test that he ordered. Many times the insurance companies will even place a telephone call directly to the doctor and speak to him person to person to inform him that the test was denied and why.

Why should insurance companies and government agencies (Medicare, Medicaid, VA, etc) second guess doctors? Because the guys like SexyDJ's buddies order useless shit in the mistaken belief it will protect them just in case they get sued 10 years from now, or are just too lazy to do the right thing. In fact they get downright hostile if somebody like me comes along and dares to suggest they just practice good, honest medicine and cut the crap. That is why insurance companies second guess doctors--they brought that shit on themselves (or at least some of them did, and forced the rest to suffer the consequences of their shitty ways).

Insurance companies get sued just like doctors do for failing to provide necessary services. They cover their asses by demanding that a doctor document reasons why a test is necessary and you bet your ass if a doctor has clearly documented why a CT scan of the head is needed, they WILL provide it; and if he has not, they won't.

There are a million examples of insurance companies screwing people over, Cameron, this just ain't one of them.

I have nothing against strippers (hell, I LOVE strippers) and I am no apologist for insurance companies (hell, I HATE insurance companies), but in this case they almost certainly were not at fault.

If you feel so strongly that a CT scan will fix your life and cure you, why don't you just shell out the $200 bucks yourself and solve all your problems? If you had just saved a little over $8.00 a month, you could have paid for one by now. We're not talking about a heart & lung transplant here.

P.S. Why Natasha Richardson should not have gotten a CT scan at the ski resort

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And that link you posted...1)it dealt with trauma victims in rural areas. Natasha was not in a rural area.

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2) since I dont know the exact details of her case,I cant say exactly what should have been done. My point in mentioning her was that after suffering the head trauma, she waved away ambulances because she felt fine. Hours later she was dead... etc.. etc...

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Look, I am getting bored with this ping pong game and I'm sure everybody else is also. I am also very disappointed that you either intentionally misunderstood most everything I was saying, have simply dug in your heels and stuck your fingers in your ears and decided you aren't going to let ugly facts get in the way of the way you want to feel, or you aren't capable of understanding. Anyway, a very dissatisfying discussion all the way around.


Sorry, I can't help making these last comments. I am not trying to be rude, or insulting (in that typical XPT way we all sometimes can be) when I say I know you won't understand my comments, but for personal reasons I feel compelled to make these points:

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And that link you posted...1)it dealt with trauma victims in rural areas. Natasha was not in a rural area.

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Yes she was. This was in a medical journal not a real estate brochure.

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2) since I dont know the exact details of her case,I cant say exactly what should have been done. My point in mentioning her was that after suffering the head trauma, she waved away ambulances because she felt fine. Hours later she was dead... etc.. etc...

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Thanks for your insight, but I do know the details.

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I do understand, but I dont believe YOU do. You have your own distrust and agenda to stick to apparently, which is causing you to not get what I've been saying.

N.R. was at a resort in Quebec...since when is that "rural"??

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You know ALL the details? Really?

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N.R. was at a resort in Quebec...since when is that "rural"??

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The point was that she was at a very upscale resort in Quebec that certainly had the means to treat and/or transport quickly.

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NO CAMERON!! NO IT DID NOT! Damn, you are thick headed.

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The ambulance carrying Richardson left Mont Tremblant at 3:47 p.m. for Centre Hospitalier Laurentian in Sainte-Agathe-des-Monts, a small hospital some 25 miles away, where Richardson was stabilized, transferred to an ambulance and began the trip to the trauma center of Sacre-Coeur hospital in Montreal, a distance of 52 miles. She arrived there close to 7 p.m., according to Toronto’s Globe and Mail newspaper.

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As I recall, she was transferred to NYC not because the hospital there had a better trauma centre, but because she was likely going to die anyway.

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The point was that she was at a very upscale resort in Quebec that certainly had the means to treat and/or transport quickly. SHE turned the medics away insisting she was fine.

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