I wasn't even talking about getting laid in a bar from a civilian. Forget home run advice when I'm just talking about the initial 'say hi and get to know a girl' stage.

Even you just said yourself getting laid isn't the end all/be all. I'm having trouble with your logic. Even with IAFD ties, a pw starts out as a stranger before you get to know her. Same with a non-pw.
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