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#442108 - 08/13/09 10:54 PM
Goldstar Modeling
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Does anyone know what's happening with Goldstar, words out that Eli Thomas from Goldstar almost choked a model to death in a drunken stupor. Joel Lawrence left LA and moved to Florida, running from something. Heard he is losing his models and his business, and that Goldstar is under some federal investigation.
ADULT FYI: But the shocker is that Joel Lawrence who runs Goldstar, has moved to Miami leaving a quasi-manager in place to run affairs in town. "A lot of people are seeing this as a clear victory for Derek in the agency wars," says the Vizier.
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#442109 - 08/14/09 03:31 AM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Royale!
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Does anyone know what's happening with Goldstar, words out that Eli Thomas from Goldstar almost choked a model to death in a drunken stupor. Joel Lawrence left LA and moved to Florida, running from something. Heard he is losing his models and his business, and that Goldstar is under some federal investigation.
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But the shocker is that Joel Lawrence who runs Goldstar, has moved to Miami leaving a quasi-manager in place to run affairs in town.
"A lot of people are seeing this as a clear victory for Derek in the agency wars," says the Vizier.
YES.......Let the catfight begin!
Eli was probably was on a meth/coke binge
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#442110 - 08/14/09 09:47 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Royale!
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Registered: 08/12/09
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Lol, doesn't seem like much of a fight, Eli high on meth, Joel, well he couldn't run an agency in LA, certainly isn't going to make it happen in FLA. Type 9, never met Kevin but heard he is only weighing in at about 105. Looks like the victor will be Giirlz inc.,
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#442111 - 08/15/09 03:34 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Royale!
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 03/04/09
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Whatever happened to the Adult Talent Agencey Trade Association that was supposed to be organizing all the talent agents? Weren't Joel, Derek, and kevin all memebers of this?
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#442112 - 08/15/09 07:45 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Royale!
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Whatever happened to the Adult Talent Agencey Trade Association that was supposed to be organizing all the talent agents? Weren't Joel, Derek, and kevin all memebers of this?
what i think you are referring to was the backstabbers association of america.....that naturally never got off the ground since they were trying to cheat, lie, and manipulation everyone at all costs......they really should do a late night drama....dynasty/dallas style around such scallawags.
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#442113 - 08/15/09 10:20 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Royale!
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Registered: 08/12/09
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I hear ATATA (how do you like that- ATATA ) is still alive and well with LA Direct as always on top of shit. Goldstar from what I'm hearing is now almost defunkt. With Joel Lawrence hiding out in Fla. of course he can't make the meetings.
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#442115 - 08/15/09 11:04 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Roy
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Registered: 08/12/09
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Yeah... These guys rule the porn industry. Who's the toughest is yet to be seen.
CALIFORNIA
La Direct Models
World Modeling
Adult Talent Managers
Type 9 Modeling
A-List Talent
Lisa Ann
FLORIDA
Giirlz Inc
Type 9 Modeling
NEW YORK/ NEW JERSEY
Blue Max Models
ITS FUCKIN WAR MAN....
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#442117 - 08/18/09 02:25 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Royale!
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what i think you are referring to was the backstabbers association of america.....that naturally never got off the ground since they were trying to cheat, lie, and manipulation everyone at all costs......they really should do a late night drama....dynasty/dallas style around such scallawags.
Always good to see someone making up their own reality
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#442119 - 08/18/09 08:00 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Roy
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what i think you are referring to was the backstabbers association of america.....that naturally never got off the ground since they were trying to cheat, lie, and manipulation everyone at all costs......they really should do a late night drama....dynasty/dallas style around such scallawags.
Always good to see someone making up their own reality
isn't it? Gotta love it when people who have no connection to the industry think they know how everything works! Lol
Like yourself.
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#442120 - 08/18/09 08:47 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Roy
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#442121 - 08/18/09 10:24 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Roy
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 10/15/06
Posts: 412
Loc: NYC
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I'm IN the industry.
I stand corrected. Cameron Keyes
Model Profile Profile Information
Gender: Female Ethnicity: Caucasian Age: 40 Height: 5' 7" Weight: 160 lbs Measurements: 34D-25-36 Hardcore: Yes
Scenes: Boy/Girl Girl/Girl Interracial Creampie Self/Solo
Notes: Pretty Jankey
Availability: Not Available
Rank on Freeones: 2261
Gia Jordan: 2564
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#442123 - 08/19/09 06:43 AM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Roy
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Internet Tough Guy
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#442124 - 08/19/09 08:37 AM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Roy
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Internet Tough Guy
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#442125 - 08/19/09 10:22 AM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Roy
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#442127 - 08/19/09 11:32 AM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Roy
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 05/18/09
Posts: 890
Loc: Midwest / Florida
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Darling I'm with you on this one, this little Duce fellow is talking way over his pay grade. If he is such a fucking big shot, lets see is resume. Other than shaveing Christains nuts prior to a shoot I dont know of any cred that this little boy has.
You rock girl, your a little overweight, but you can work on that. I also suggest that you please call the next time you are over. It was a little uncomfortable when you showed up on MOnday night. Guage was fucking pissed, but she did say that she would do you in a heart beat.
Eric, work wiht me here dude.
I'm not overweight douche. I'm just not a skinny stick. I'm a size 5,which I realize is huge to some people,but its far from overweight. I like my curves,and while I continue to tone up and want to be more muscular(hey we all want to be better)...I dont want to lose my curves. And I wont..I'm not built to be a waif. And Beyonce(as much as I dont like her) is sexy just like Keira Knightly is. We dont all have to look alike! And WTF are you talking about?Mon night? Sorry..missed the joke there....
Darling, it's a joke. Guage was at one time considered a skinny tramp. That was at a time when you had to have 38DDD to be a Porn whore. I have seince done my research and I am convinced that you are a cuti and the girl next door type. If all the girls were like Hailey Young and Tanner Hays it woudl be a boreing place.
You are not overweight at all. The last photo was hot.
As far as monday night? My girlfriend will get over it she always does
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#442128 - 08/19/09 02:26 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Roy
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 10/15/06
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I'm IN the industry.
I stand corrected. Cameron Keyes
Model Profile Profile Information
Gender: Female Ethnicity: Caucasian Age: 40 Height: 5' 7" Weight: 160 lbs Measurements: 34D-25-36 Hardcore: Yes
Scenes: Boy/Girl Girl/Girl Interracial Creampie Self/Solo
Notes: Pretty Jankey
Availability: Not Available
Rank on Freeones: 2261
Gia Jordan: 2564
I'm with you on Cameron, while she seems to be an somewhat cool chick, her GUNT is fucking gross. Eat a carrot and step away from the buffet, chubbs
However, using freeones rankings as the basis for your argument is fucking retarded.
That was the point posting the freeones rankings. She's above Gia, I find that very retarded.
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#442129 - 08/19/09 02:28 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Roy
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 03/01/04
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I'm IN the industry.
I stand corrected. Cameron Keyes
Model Profile Profile Information
Gender: Female Ethnicity: Caucasian Age: 40 Height: 5' 7" Weight: 160 lbs Measurements: 34D-25-36 Hardcore: Yes
Scenes: Boy/Girl Girl/Girl Interracial Creampie Self/Solo
Notes: Pretty Jankey
Availability: Not Available
Rank on Freeones: 2261
Gia Jordan: 2564
Wow.SO much of that info is wrong its funny!
Send me over the correct info. That is what Brian sent me on your stats.
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#442130 - 08/19/09 02:32 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Roy
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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what i think you are referring to was the backstabbers association of america.....that naturally never got off the ground since they were trying to cheat, lie, and manipulation everyone at all costs......they really should do a late night drama....dynasty/dallas style around such scallawags.
Always good to see someone making up their own reality
isn't it? Gotta love it when people who have no connection to the industry think they know how everything works! Lol
Like yourself.
Right..because I have no connection to the industry. That makes no sense whatsoever.I'm IN the industry and I dont profess to know everything about everything that goes on in it.
Darling I'm with you on this one, this little Duce fellow is talking way over his pay grade. If he is such a fucking big shot, lets see is resume. Other than shaveing Christains nuts prior to a shoot I dont know of any cred that this little boy has.
You rock girl, your a little overweight, but you can work on that. I also suggest that you please call the next time you are over. It was a little uncomfortable when you showed up on MOnday night. Guage was fucking pissed, but she did say that she would do you in a heart beat.
Eric, work wiht me here dude.
And who the fuck are you?
"Currently doing private up-scale videos for customers who want speical videos produced for their private collections."
Bawhahahahahahahaha!!!!
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#442131 - 08/19/09 04:36 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Roy
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Porn Jesus
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#442132 - 08/19/09 06:28 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Roy
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 05/18/09
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#442133 - 08/19/09 06:29 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Roy
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Gay For Pay
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#442134 - 08/19/09 06:50 PM
Re: Goldstar Modeling
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 06/16/09
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Does anyone know what's happening with Goldstar, words out that Eli Thomas from Goldstar almost choked a model to death in a drunken stupor. Joel Lawrence left LA and moved to Florida, running from something. Heard he is losing his models and his business, and that Goldstar is under some federal investigation.
ADULT FYI: But the shocker is that Joel Lawrence who runs Goldstar, has moved to Miami leaving a quasi-manager in place to run affairs in town. "A lot of people are seeing this as a clear victory for Derek in the agency wars," says the Vizier.
Since the industry changed so much in the last year .... I'll be quite honest ... No agents have been much use to me, i book almost all my work myself ... As talent in this industry if you're not prepared to book yourself for some stuff you probably won't get an overwelming amount of work ... just not out there like it used to be when you could just throw a photo on a modeling site and get double booked all week ... lol ....
Tia
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#442135 - 08/19/09 07:32 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Roy
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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And who the fuck are you?
"Currently doing private up-scale videos for customers who want speical videos produced for their private collections."
Bawhahahahahahahaha!!!!
He's that Steven Koch fellow (from the Shit List).
Im your worst fucking nightmare
"Im your worst fucking nightmare"
LOL!!!
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#442140 - 08/20/09 03:36 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Royale!
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what i think you are referring to was the backstabbers association of america.....that naturally never got off the ground since they were trying to cheat, lie, and manipulation everyone at all costs......they really should do a late night drama....dynasty/dallas style around such scallawags.
Always good to see someone making up their own reality
isn't it? Gotta love it when people who have no connection to the industry think they know how everything works! Lol
Let’s see...JSJ, I know that World Modeling was CLOSED for a brief period of time.....
And cameron did you or did you not jump around from agency to agency (agency shopping) for awhile until you figured out that they all pretty much do the same thing……
And as always the less you know about what I do….know, don’t know…..it makes it more fun for you to feel that special in the great abyss of shitbirds that inhabit the industry…..not saying all of them are…..but the vast majority……
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#442141 - 08/20/09 05:10 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/25/06
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Right..because I have no connection to the industry. That makes no sense whatsoever.I'm IN the industry and I dont profess to know everything about everything that goes on in it.
And you are for certain that Dino does NOT have a connection to the industry?
Your analogy makes no sense, it's equivalent to saying that my office manager knows how to switch my yard because she works on the railroad. You spread your legs, whore, that is the sold qualification for your job. Deal.
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I know..lol...the dillhole changed it all to be an ass. The stuff you actually have is correct! (though I dont actually turn 36 until next weekend!LOL)
Whores lie. You're about as "36" as Gia is 28.
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Because you already yelled 'dropping prices!!!' after Red Light canned you. - Gia Jordan to Brandon Iron
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#442142 - 08/20/09 05:34 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Roy
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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#442143 - 08/20/09 05:41 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 11/22/08
Posts: 857
Loc: Northeast US
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awwww
Eric is still so butthurt he is throwing out 'Me too!'s with the big boys. Shut up dummy. You're still a stalker, still never going to fuck any more porn chicks (whores to toughie toughs like you), and still sticking too my shoe like dogshit.
Stop trying to act tough. The real Eric is the crying, calling a chick who don't want him 300 times a day, waiting around the corner when she's done fucking 3 dudes for cash on or off the set, aching to take some pipe in the shitter kind of fag.
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You just want to do a scene with me, so I'll make you look straight. - Gia Jordan to Stevie Why?
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#442144 - 08/20/09 06:11 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Roy
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Porn Jesus
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Stop trying to act tough. The real Eric is the crying, calling a chick who don't want him 300 times a day, waiting around the corner when she's done fucking 3 dudes for cash on or off the set, aching to take some pipe in the shitter kind of fag.
Sounds like widdle Smow-key gots a poopie in his diaper. Anyone wanna help him wipe, or change it so that nasty rash doesn't infect his brain any further?
And I'm the stalker, eh PoleSmokey? Har-har. I could break you in half, regardless how much of a tough guy you envision me as, or lack thereof. I shit corn chunks bigger than your keyboard warrior persona.
Newflash douchebag. Eric isn't butthurt about getting laid, Eric doesn't care about losing or acquiring another porn whore. Know your role, bitch, and stop assuming mine.
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Because you already yelled 'dropping prices!!!' after Red Light canned you. - Gia Jordan to Brandon Iron
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#442145 - 08/20/09 06:16 PM
Re: giirlz inc vs type 9 vs goldstar....Battle Roy
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/07/05
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Eric, why don't you pursue cute civilian girls in your town? You always seem to go for porn girls; i.e, Bree Olson and Shawna Lenee. Is it because you think porn girls are easier? I'm being serious here and truly asking why.
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#442146 - 08/20/09 06:28 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 11/22/08
Posts: 857
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I don't need to assume your role, there are orders of protection as proof shitdick. You're the reason Bree is now an armed militia unto herself.
And you shit cornchips? Dude, that's fucking gross.
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#442147 - 08/20/09 06:37 PM
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I don't need to assume your role, there are orders of protection as proof shitdick. You're the reason Bree is now an armed militia unto herself.
Really? Please, show them to me. If you seriously believe that, awesome. The order of protection was dismissed less than 2 months after it was filed, halfwit.
In Indiana, ANYONE can file an order of protection, you fucktard. However, the burden of proof is also on them to prove there was wrong-doing. You're free to believe whatever ignorant shit you want, it's cool.
Cornchips? Your literacy leaves alot to be desired, PoleSmokey. If I had said cornchips, it would definitely be Fritos, because of all that grease & saturated fat.
Gia: I never went for Shawna Lenee at all. At the time, I was one of many on a Myspace frenzy who befriended anyone - including porn whores due to my ties with IAFD (not so much any more). I made a compliment to her, she flipped a nut. That was a brunt of it, not a lick of attraction to the scar-wristed, black-ball-sucking, Buckeye whore. As always, you're free to believe what you want, it doesn't make it truth.
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#442148 - 08/20/09 06:45 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/07/05
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Ok cool. I can see how you could meet and get to know a pw on a personal level through your IAFD ties, fine. But why your fascination with that? What's wrong with meeting and getting to know girls in your town? Just cute civilian girls who work retail or whatever.
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#442149 - 08/20/09 06:51 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/25/06
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Since you ask...
In general, I don't handle (new) people well. If you haven't noticed that in 4 years of conversing with me in Vegas & LA, I don't know what to tell you.
I have the gift of gab, which doesn't suit everyone, but I don't necessarily warm up to people I don't know. Moreso, I'm shy as fuck around chicks, especially those I find attractive, probably not the only person you've met or know who is like that. Getting laid isn't a real deal breaker for me, so the "player" thing isn't for me either; and outside of a stripper blowing me incidentally while getting a private dance, I'll be damned if I'm paying for sex.
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#442150 - 08/20/09 06:56 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/07/05
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I wasn't even talking about getting laid in a bar from a civilian. Forget home run advice when I'm just talking about the initial 'say hi and get to know a girl' stage.
Even you just said yourself getting laid isn't the end all/be all. I'm having trouble with your logic. Even with IAFD ties, a pw starts out as a stranger before you get to know her. Same with a non-pw.
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#442151 - 08/20/09 07:10 PM
Re: What the fuck does this have to do with GSM?
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/25/06
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Bree just happened to be someone I conversed with via Myspace when she got into the business back in '06. Every now & then I'll break out of my shell. We kept in touch because she thought I was interesting & held intelligent conversation. Despite her latest wigger-like, pseudo-ghetto trash ramblings, the girl can hold her own. We had stuff in common, thing that made conversation somewhat easy.
It's alot easier (read: less personal) to converse with someone via electronic means (phone, text, email, etc.) than it is face-to-face. I'm of the impression that when you dive in head first, most people think it's creepy, so I just rather avoid it.
Antisocial tendacies? Probably. Oh well.
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#442152 - 08/20/09 07:13 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/07/05
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Don't you meet girls from your friends? Like from the guys you hang out with?
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#442153 - 08/20/09 07:15 PM
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Registered: 11/22/08
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Eric, while I'm still quite sure you are a tool, I can appreciate your honesty so I won't shit on you here.
The only way you'll get better with real actual girls, is to practice. Yeah, you will hear no, but sometimes they might suprise you.
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#442154 - 08/20/09 07:22 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Eric, while I'm still quite sure you are a tool, I can appreciate your honesty so I won't shit on you here.
The only way you'll get better with real actual girls, is to practice. Yeah, you will hear no, but sometimes they might suprise you.
Rejection sucks. It's something that is totally depressing & unless a chance is taken, you get nowhere. Been there too often, prefer to avoid it. Sounds emo, I know, but I'm not much of a risk taker when it comes to relationships. I have a very shallow comfort zone.
As for "friends", Gia, I don't really hang out with anyone. I go to shows, eyeball a chick or two - maybe even buy her a drink as the night goes on, but usually avoid the letdown of meaningless conversation or that she's already hooked up. I'm going to a Jackyl concert tomorrow night with a coworker (ya, I know, another 80's band), but we've never hung out before. He's originally from FW, but just moved back after living in the B'more area for a couple years.
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#442155 - 08/20/09 07:35 PM
Helping our buddy Eric
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As for "friends", Gia, I don't really hang out with anyone.
Hey Eric,
I realize that it's kind of awkward for me to be talking to you after our history, but I do have a friend I think you'd like. There's never been anything between us so it won't get all weird and stuff.
I think the two of you could really hit it off.
Here's a picture - if you think she's your type let me know and I'll pm you her contact info.
She's a great gal, although a little quiet at first. please be kind to her. contact details
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#442156 - 08/20/09 07:45 PM
Re: Helping our buddy Eric
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/25/06
Posts: 4470
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To indulge you, "she's" not my type...let alone my species. Points for effort & all.
Truth be told, the only thing I've learned in the past year is to be weary of who I trust or invest my time in. When you invest time & emotion in something that you care about - be it a porn whore or not; or even a hobby - not everyone feels like just dusting off & starting over. I'd rather be alone than risk disappointment...again. Just not worth the hassle.
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