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If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag[at]whitehouse[dot]gov

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why does the aclu defend nambla boylovers, yet they seem quiet on this?

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it's inevitable that this thread will turn partisan once coke joins in, however, am I the only one disturbed by the fact that president obama and the whitehouse are urging americans to snitch on their neighbors if they disagree with the one's healthcare plan?

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These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views — but of the facts themselves. Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American.

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The first fact is that health insurance reform will mean more patient choice.

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Reform will mean stability and peace of mind for the middle class. Never again will medical bills drive Americans into bankruptcy; never again will Americans be in danger of losing coverage if they lose their jobs or if they become sick; never again will insurance companies be allowed to deny patients coverage because of pre-existing conditions.

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Reform will also mean higher-quality care by promoting preventive care so health problems can be addressed before they become crises. This, too, will save money. We'll be a much healthier country if all patients can receive regular checkups and tests, such as mammograms and diabetes exams, without paying a dime out-of-pocket.

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Now — with Americans strongly supporting health insurance reform, with Congress reaching consensus on a plan, and with a president who ran and won on this specific promise of change — America is closer than ever to this century-deferred goal.

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If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov

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Do any of you really see the hilbillies shouting down the politicians, tears in their eyes, accusing the gov't of planning to euthanize the aged, as kindred spirits?

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that skanky meth head in arkansas (at 1:16 of the youtube) sobbing "i want mah america back!!!" is is both funny AND scary

the Tea Baggers were out in full force



these people are why the south is fucked hahaha

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these same people were just fine with the Bush White House wiretaps and his planned TIPS program that was pulled after people were comparing it to the Stasi of Eastern Germany....

...but none of that matters cuz the republicans are severely butthurt that they are out of power and are going insane and using fear and lies again.

This whole affair will just shake out whatever sensible ones were left in the party after the whole Terri Schaivo shitslip.

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elaborator 4 pres.....next go around.....and king will be VP nom...or at least the avatar!!!

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I guess you guys don't want anyone between a doctor and patient, except for a for profit insurance company with a history of screwing people.

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I see no alternatives being proposed here,

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or by the idiots turning what should be a public discussion into a shouting match.

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If ya'll know so much, why didn't you propose a single fucking thing to fix the mess when you were in power for 8 years? Huh?

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I see no alternatives being proposed here, or by the idiots turning what should be a public discussion into a shouting match. If ya'll know so much, why didn't you propose a single fucking thing to fix the mess when you were in power for 8 years? Huh?

-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy

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charin, you're really convinced if a company is trying to make money that they are screwing people, aren't you?

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I see no alternatives being proposed here,

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or by the idiots turning what should be a public discussion into a shouting match.

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This is just the media looking for easy ratings. People standing up and making fools of themselves will get people watching every time. There's a real discussion going on. Just ignore that shit.

It's cried about so much because the Liberal bullshitters want to exaggerate the behavior of the people who disagree and make them all look like buffoons you shouldn't be listening too.

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If ya'll know so much, why didn't you propose a single fucking thing to fix the mess when you were in power for 8 years? Huh?

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More Liberal bullshit. Bush proposed shit, just like Clinton proposed shit. Neither got very much done.

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More Liberal bullshit. Bush proposed shit, just like Clinton proposed shit. Neither got very much done.

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charin, you're really convinced if a company is trying to make money that they are screwing people, aren't you?

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charin, you're really convinced if a company is trying to make money that they are screwing people, aren't you?

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You trust health insurance companies?!?

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TUP, I'm disappointed. Of course, preventative care saves money.

I guess you guys don't want anyone between a doctor and patient, except for a for profit insurance company with a history of screwing people.

I don't think the ACLU is opposed to, "Hey, if you see dumb-ass bullshit lies about us, let us know, OK?"

Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy

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The only way you can avoid this is to go back to the days when doctors prescribed goat testicles and eyes of newt to cure what ailed you.

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TUP, I'm disappointed. Of course, preventative care saves money.

I guess you guys don't want anyone between a doctor and patient, except for a for profit insurance company with a history of screwing people.

I don't think the ACLU is opposed to, "Hey, if you see dumb-ass bullshit lies about us, let us know, OK?"

Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy

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Preventive, wellness care could drive up costs: CBO
"The Congressional Budget Office said that federal investment in prevention and wellness programs could actually drive up costs rather than reduce them, and potentially overstep programs already in place in Medicare and private health plans. “Although different types of preventive care have different effects on spending, the evidence suggests that for most preventive services, expanded utilization leads to higher, not lower, medical spending overall,” CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf wrote in a blog entry posted Sunday.

Preventive services include medical procedures to test for certain types of cancer, cholesterol management and vaccines, while wellness programs include weight-management programs, dietary advice and smoking cessation directions.

In each case, the CBO said that even though it plans to study the topic further, it's hard-pressed to show what's known as "scorable" long-term savings. The issue has long frustrated lawmakers, who have banked on parlaying such programs into future healthcare savings.

Legislation in the House and Senate meant to reshape the healthcare system include measures to nudge Americans into healthier lifestyles, and members of Congress have tried to count those programs toward an overall lowering of healthcare costs.

But researchers who have studied preventive care “generally find that the added costs of widespread use of preventive services tend to exceed the savings from averted illness,” the CBO states."

As far as the for profit insurance companies are concerned, whatever entity, be it private or federal, that is footing the bill for this at the very least is going to have to find a way to bring at least the amount they are paying out. There is only going to be one source for this cash flow one way or another. That source is the consumer. The only way you can avoid this is to go back to the days when doctors prescribed goat testicles and eyes of newt to cure what ailed you. If you want to rail on a big bad corporation let's start with the pharmaceutical companies. Insurance is not really insurance if it does not at least break even.

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oh ffs king...

it is because of the lies that are percolating and circulating from yr side about the supposed evils of health care reform like having seniors killed cuz you know...all Democrats are brownshirt nazi socialists and against God and and and ....


the president....he is BLACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!

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it is because of the lies that are percolating and circulating from yr side about the supposed evils of health care reform

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Didn't the Bush WH simply screen the emails (illegally) of people they deemed to be offside their views.

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Is it wrong that the WH would like to know what is being said (falsely) in an effort to derail their legislative agenda?

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Do any of you really see the hilbillies shouting down the politicians, tears in their eyes, accusing the gov't of planning to euthanize the aged, as kindred spirits?

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cleetus....i am going to say this real slow okay?

The white house is trying to collect any information about the rampant disinformation that is going on with the Health Care battle. There seems to be a concerted effort to spread lies and to scare the feeble minded. The Obama White House has set up a website to refute any of these and he is merely suggesting that people turn in their examples.

This is not at all similar to the shit the last president was doing with the NSA.

Get a fucking Grip already

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Listen Elab, I fail to see how a personal attack on me in any way refutes any of my points. Tell me in all honesty that if this was Bush doing this exact same thing in the WH you wouldn't be pissing all over this board about it, like you were about all the other shit he pulled. Of course this is not the exact same thing that Bush pulled. I never compared it to anything Bush did specifically but unsavory tactics can be compared can they not even if apples and oranges. And of course my point about waiting 3 years before judgment made no sense right? Obama has 3 years to make his plan work, simple as that other wise he looks as feckless as Hillary if it never gets off the ground.


If you want to keep up with all this partisan bullshit I can go through the news every day and post articles on all the shit that Dems are up to and post it here too, like you lefties did during the repubs reign. Hmmm I wonder what Edwards is up to today?

I have made it clear that I have little or no use for most politicians, I was a Republican but was disappointed far too many times by there shit to be considered one any more, you guys however seem to take every criticism of the left as an attack on the holy while calling the right ignorant for doing the same. I will say it again, until this country's populace stops looking at politics like its favorite sport where they only root for my team and the other team is evil we will be stuck wallowing in the gutter never making any progress and the only solace i will take is that i was smart enough not to reproduce so that my children won't have to live through the shitstorm coming.

My point and I thought I was clear enough about it as are most of my political posts was about the inequality of the news coverage of these types of issues from mainstream media. I don't watch fox news anymore and I didn't see one story on this subject on the nightly news. Other than my percieved inequalities I will usually only post politics if there is something I am concerned about or am asking for clarification on , for example Obama's first meeting with the British Prime Minister.


But Please Elab do say everything real slowly in all your future posts it might do you some good to take that extra time thinking through your ideas before committing them to writing.



The only reason I even replied to this shit is that I am bored because this is free time I usually occupy for 30 minutes by playing that game you know and love but alas the servers are down for maintenance

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until this country's populace stops looking at politics like its favorite sport where they only root for my team and the other team is evil we will be stuck wallowing in the gutter never making any progress

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you're canadian right? is the state run canadian media ever wrong or "false"? are you ever suspicious of the state run media that is looking to push the benefits of state run healthcare? if you voice concern will your name and email address be recorded by your government?

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what's the deal with you libs always labeling anyone that's critical of your position as a "nazi" or "racist"?

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Listen Elab, I fail to see how a personal attack on me in any way refutes any of my points.

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i didn't mean that as a personal attack cleetus...i was talking slowly for all the republicans on the board

Sorry you had to waste yr downtime from the Wonderful World of OW and type all that. You are right about much of what you say. For some politics are kind of a sport or sorts. God knows i got lambasted here for posting anti bush stuff and being called a Bush Hater or even worse a Gunker! I have tried to keep things away from XPT and not get into any more bitch matches with the right wing on here. This whole thing with the town halls has touched a nerve tho because I got really into politics in 2000 especially after the Brooks Brothers Riot and this seems to be the same machinations.

Yr a beautiful soul Cleetus and I don't want to fight with you baby...

PS i havent played wow in years but am currently obsessed with playing TF2 which is like a nonstop version of that PVP game of capture the flag from that Gulch or whatever ...but with no faggy elves!!!

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Ask Tatty about all the surgeries he's mentioned before. How much did that cost him? Was it difficult to pay on a waiter's salary?

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So you believe the best thing is to avoid preventive care and only wait until after you develop an illness before seeking medical care? I suppose if a government employee with a business degree wrote this in a blog entry, it must be the best medical advice available.

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Do any of you really see the hilbillies shouting down the politicians, tears in their eyes, accusing the gov't of planning to euthanize the aged, as kindred spirits?

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that skanky meth head in arkansas (at 1:16 of the youtube) sobbing "i want mah america back!!!" is is both funny AND scary

the Tea Baggers were out in full force



these people are why the south is fucked hahaha

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.......being called a Bush Hater or even worse a Gunker!

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I know it is anecdotal, but my treatment (and a subsequent one for a tumor on my carotid artery years later) was top fucking notch.

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It is easy to jump on a story when the daughter of a billionaire (Sheilagh Stronach) goes to the US for treatment, but I think it kind of drives the point home that the wealthy have the advantage.

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And noone has ever put up a stat about Americans that go abroad for cheaper surgeries.

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I would be curious what the consensus is on the quality of the care you receive and what should be done.

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If he stopped using that company, everyone else would turn him down.

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I've read a few Canadian cities actually do lotteries to see who wins a doctor's appointment?

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This is bullshit. Point blank. The fact that the right wing in the US (I believe that modern Elmer Gantry, Glenn Beck, actually claimed this) has to invent this shit shows they've got nothing. Nada.


The real question is why is the US media so broke the likes of Beck can get away with bald-faced lies like this?

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WASHINGTON – The American Civil Liberties Union submitted comments today to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) opposing its recent proposal to reverse current federal policy and allow the use of web tracking technologies, like cookies, on federal government websites. Cookies can be used to track an Internet user’s every click and are often linked across multiple websites; they frequently identify particular people.

Since 2000, it has been the policy of the federal government not to use such technology. But the OMB is now seeking to change that policy and is considering the use of cookies for tracking web visitors across multiple sessions and storing their unique preferences and surfing habits. Though this is a major shift in policy, the announcement of this program consists of only a single page from the federal register that contains almost no detail.

“This is a sea change in government privacy policy,” said Michael Macleod-Ball, Acting Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. “Without explaining this reversal of policy, the OMB is seeking to allow the mass collection of personal information of every user of a federal government website. Until the OMB answers the multitude of questions surrounding this policy shift, we will continue to raise our strenuous objections.”

The use of cookies allows a website to differentiate between users and build a database of each user’s viewing habits and the information they share with the site. Since web surfers frequently share information like their name or email address (if they’ve signed up for a service) or search request terms, the use of cookies frequently allows a user’s identity and web surfing habits to be linked. In addition, websites can allow third parties, such as advertisers, to also place cookies on a user’s computer.

“Americans rely on the information from the federal government to research politics, medical issues and legal requirements. The OMB is now asking to retain the personal and identifiable information we leave behind,” said Christopher Calabrese, Counsel for the ACLU Technology and Liberty Project. “No American should have to sacrifice privacy or risk surveillance in order to access free government information. No policy change should be adopted without wide ranging debate including information on the restrictions and uses of cookies as well as impact on privacy.”

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This must be more of the Obama bipartisanship we were promised. Create enemy lists and track peoples surfing habits on-line.

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