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charin, you're really convinced if a company is trying to make money that they are screwing people, aren't you?



You trust health insurance companies?!?



Not implicitly. But, I'm not under any impression that they're actively trying to screw people like you are.

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I said here, XPT, this thread.



You actually want members of XPT to come up with proposals? WTF? You're much better off listening to non-anymouns members of Congress and professional media...

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That's all the Republicans have now, the teabaggers and birthers.



And, you guys think Coke is too whacko to be believed...

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The Glenn Becks and Rush Limbaughs and Sarah Palins who have taken over are promoting this stuff and giving it coverage, so much for this "liberal media" bullshit.



Yeah, okay. You got me taking a cheap shot at Liberals calling all that coverage their fault.

But, just ignore that shit. There's plenty of discussion going on. You ranting about it, you're just becoming part of the riff-raff.

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BushCo. made no attempt at any meaningful health care reform.



They implemented those drug cards which was the government spending huge amounts of money to get people cheaper prescription drugs. And, in his last year as President he tried to remove the tax break for corporations to provide health insurance and give it to individuals instead. Which would have given individuals power over their health insurance instead of these for-profit businesses you despise so much. But, for some reason, you don't want the power in either the individuals or the business hands, you want it in the government's hands.

Those two things Bush did are just what I remember off the top of my head.

And, why does Bush's poor record on health care bother you so much but Clinton's doesn't?

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You RIGHTIES shut that shit down FAST.....now its getting more airtime.....and your NOT in control....sucks to be you....



The first 2 years Clinton was in office, the Democrats also controlled both houses of Congress. That was when Hillary had her massive failure in implementing health care reform.

It was in his 2nd term that Clinton got the original SCHIP program passed, when Republicans were in Congress.

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i dont see why you righties have such a problem with it....outside of the fact that it may work.....like i said before if it the colossal that you have dreamed...hes a one termer.



We're not afraid it may work. We're afraid of the massive ramifications that it won't work. And, given government programs past history of being horrifically inefficient in the face of the dramatically increasing costs of health care...

And, so what if he's a one-termer? If he gets this passed... Jimmy Carter was a one-termer and got the Departments of Energy and Education passed. Those are much smaller than what Obama's talking about. But, we've still spent billions on them despite that they've gotten damn little done and we still haven't gotten rid of them. Whatever Obama gets across is going to be here to stay. Swish-swashing this kind of stuff around ain't so easy.

But, you'll be happy to know that the Republicans have allayed their alleged fears and popularized a proposal that will take so much power out of the government hands in trying to make it work. Instead of making a government health insurance plan, they want to make it a co-op. Obama's even taken an interest: Click

I just hope he doesn't try to get government hands all over it, making the CEO a political appointee or some shit.