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#440636 - 08/04/09 11:56 PM Blasphemy illegal in Ireland
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http://www.palibandaily.com/2009/07/09/ireland-makes-blasphemy-illegal/

Ireland Makes Blasphemy Illegal

Irish atheists are horrified by new legislation making blasphemy illegal, and punishable by a 25,000-Euro fine. Christians of all stripes should be, too.

As part of a revision to defamation legislation, the Dail (Irish Parliament) passed legislation creating a new crime of blasphemy. Update: The bill went to the Seanad on Friday, July 10, passing by a single vote. This attack on free speech, debated for several months in Europe, has gone largely unnoticed in the American press.

The text of the legislation is provided at the end of this post.

How does this impact free speech? Just don’t be rude.

* Atheists can be prosecuted for saying that God is imaginary. That causes outrage.
* Pagans can be prosecuted for saying they left Christianity because God is violent and bloodthirsty, promotes genocide, and permits slavery.
* Christians can be prosecuted for saying that Allah is a moon god, or for drawing a picture of Mohammed, or for saying that Islam is a violent religion which breeds terrorists.
* Jews can be prosecuted for saying Jesus isn’t the Messiah.

Is it really THAT big a deal?

Ireland’s Blasphemy Bill not only criminalizes free speech, it also gives the police the authority to confiscate anything deemed “blasphemous”. They may enter and search any premises, with force if needed, upon “reasonable suspicion” that such materials are present.

* The local Freethinkers society, with its copies of Hitchens’ God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything.
* The video store, with copies of The God Who Wasn’t There.
* The history teacher, who uses The Dark Side of Christian History to teach her class.
* The library, with its collection of books deemed blasphemous.
* Even the homeowner who lets the wrong person know he has a copy of Salman Rushdie’s The Satanic Verses could find his door broken in by the Thought Police, his bookshelves ransacked, and his books burning in the front yard!

Satirizing religion in any way, shape, or form, if it “causes outrage”, is now a prosecutable offense in Ireland. Saying anything negative about a religion, if it “causes outrage”, can now be prosecuted as a crime. Just like in Muslim countries.

Witness the return of the Dark Ages.

Update: The bill passed the Seanad on Friday, July 10, by a single vote. From the Irish Times:

Seanad deputy leader Dan Boyle (Green Party) indicated his party’s preference for a constitutional referendum in “the mid-term” on the issue of blasphemy. However, Minister for Justice Dermot Ahern said he would hazard a guess it was unlikely they would come back to this issue for some time.

The Minister rejected Mr Regan’s contention that the matter of blasphemy could be adequately dealt with by an amendment to the Incitement to Hatred Act, saying what was blasphemous did not necessarily constitute incitement to hatred.

During exchanges with Ivana Bacik, the Minister said he had never in his political career received so many e-mails expressing outrage as he had on this issue. Ms Bacik said under the proposed legislation, Fr Willie Russell from Rathkeale, Co Limerick, a critic of those in his parish who appeared to be worshipping a tree with the appearance of the Blessed Virgin Mary, could be open to a charge of blasphemy because he had stated that no one could “worship a tree”.

Let’s see if he gets charged.

The text of the legislation:

36. Publication or utterance of blasphemous matter.

(1) A person who publishes or utters blasphemous matter shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable upon conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding €100,000. [Amended to €25,000]

(2) For the purposes of this section, a person publishes or utters blasphemous matter if (a) he or she publishes or utters matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion, thereby causing outrage among a substantial number of the adherents of that religion, and (b) he or she intends, by the publication or utterance of the matter concerned, to cause such outrage.

(3) It shall be a defence to proceedings for an offence under this section for the defendant to prove that a reasonable person would find genuine literary, artistic, political, scientific, or academic value in the matter to which the offence relates.

37. Seizure of copies of blasphemous statements.

(1) Where a person is convicted of an offence under section 36, the court may issue a warrant (a) authorising any member of the Garda Siochana to enter (if necessary by the use of reasonable force) at all reasonable times any premises (including a dwelling) at which he or she has reasonable grounds for believing that copies of the statement to which the offence related are to be found, and to search those premises and seize and remove all copies of the statement found therein, (b) directing the seizure and removal by any member of the Garda Siochana of all copies of the statement to which the offence related that are in the possession of any person, © specifying the manner in which copies so seized and removed shall be detained and stored by the Garda Siochana.

(2) A member of the Garda Siochana may (a) enter and search any premises, (b) seize, remove and detain any copy of a statement to which an offence under section 36 relates found therein or in the possession of any person, in accordance with a warrant under subsection (1).

(3) Upon final judgment being given in proceedings for an offence under section 36, anything seized and removed under subsection (2) shall be disposed of in accordance with such directions as the court may give upon an application by a member of the Garda Siochana in that behalf.
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#440637 - 08/05/09 12:02 AM Re: Blasphemy illegal in Ireland
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Sadly, teen girls will now be deprived of 'Are You There, God? It's Me, Margaret.'
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#440638 - 08/05/09 12:07 AM Re: Blasphemy illegal in Ireland
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I wonder if it will affect tourism.
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#440639 - 08/05/09 12:18 AM Re: Blasphemy illegal in Ireland
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Luckily, this ban will prevent 25% of U2 songs from playing.
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#440640 - 08/05/09 12:38 AM Re: Blasphemy illegal in Ireland
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Blasphemy illegal in Ireland




that's almost as scary as "CAPITALISM!!11!!!1!!"

the part you left out, below.

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Or how about the wacky City Council of Kissimmee, Florida, who wants to put “In God We Trust” on their city logo . . . to support CAPITALISM?




capitalism...the horror! how will we survive?


plus, the "about" page for butt whisperer's source is insane.

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Going forward, the primary focus here will be to tell you, the reader, just what Christians (and other fundamentalists) are up to in the world. Some people think Christians are fading quietly into the woodwork, as the New Atheists give their strident speeches. Not so!

You may have heard of Dominionism, also known as Christian Reconstructionism.

What is Dominionism?

The focus of Dominionists is to make God’s Word the law of the land.

But that’s unconstitutional!

Dominionists plan to replace the Constitution with God’s Word. It’s not unConstitutional if the Constitution is changed to meet God’s standards.




bugfail

hey assbuggerer, you're a fucking nutjob. only clueless douche bags would blame huckabee and foxnews on their "about" page for all their problems. idiot.

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#440641 - 08/05/09 12:40 AM Re: Blasphemy illegal in Ireland
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Fucking stupid catholics.
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#440642 - 08/05/09 12:43 AM Re: Blasphemy illegal in Ireland
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What about 'bloody hell.' Will people still be able to say that?
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#440643 - 08/05/09 12:54 AM Re: Blasphemy illegal in Ireland
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#440644 - 08/05/09 01:02 AM Re: Blasphemy illegal in Ireland
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Haaaahahahah, k1ng, you fucking stupid piece of shit. You're attacking the website it's self, not the story. Are you in favor of this bullshit? What if I had used this as the source website http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/07/20/f-ireland-blasphemy-law.html

If I have Asperger's syndrome you're a full on fucking mongoloid.
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#440645 - 08/05/09 01:48 AM Re: Blasphemy illegal in Ireland
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Are you in favor of this bullshit?




no, not at all. europe's socialist/religous fail is a harbinger of what may come to the u.s. and I'm against it.

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k1ng, you fucking stupid piece of shit. You're attacking the website it's self, not the story.




aww, my bad. I apologize for not accepting left wing euro douche bags like yourself. of course these europedophiles know better than american citzens, sorry. I'm sure foxnews is at the root of the problem.

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it's self




uneducated clueless clown

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You're attacking the website it's self, not the story.




assface, don't use fringe sources from questionable websites that travel in conspiracy theories to make your case. loser.
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#440646 - 08/05/09 02:00 AM Re: Blasphemy illegal in Ireland
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What about 'bloody hell.' Will people still be able to say that?




That's mostly the English who do that. Irish tend to elongate their A's and say "maaahn" or "raaaaaaight".
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#440647 - 08/05/09 02:42 AM Re: Blasphemy illegal in Ireland
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Don't sweat it, there is too long of a tradition of blasphemy in classic literature for something like this to stand up in court. Do you really think they're going to junk James Joyce and Beckett in Ireland? Not to mention Alexander Trocchi, Salman Rushdie, Bataille, etc.


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#440648 - 08/05/09 02:57 AM Re: Blasphemy illegal in Ireland
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Quote:

Quote:

Are you in favor of this bullshit?




no, not at all. europe's socialist/religous fail is a harbinger of what may come to the u.s. and I'm against it.

Quote:

k1ng, you fucking stupid piece of shit. You're attacking the website it's self, not the story.




aww, my bad. I apologize for not accepting left wing euro douche bags like yourself. of course these europedophiles know better than american citzens, sorry. I'm sure foxnews is at the root of the problem.

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it's self




uneducated clueless clown

Quote:

You're attacking the website it's self, not the story.




assface, don't use fringe sources from questionable websites that travel in conspiracy theories to make your case. loser.





I like how you just assume I'm from Europe. You're the one automatically bringing foxnews up. leftwing? It's a freedom of speech issue. It may be a shit site but you're throwing guilt by association, You make it sound like I posted a story from stormfront.org.

You have no fucking point, you even admitted to agreeing with the report. All you have is attacking my admittedly atrocious spelling abilities. Fuck off.
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#440649 - 08/05/09 10:27 AM Re: Blasphemy illegal in Ireland
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Luckily, this ban will prevent 25% of U2 songs from playing.




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