The extreme left in this country is making me sick. I am sick to death of hearing the Hollywood liberal run their mouth on the Bush administration (stand up Sean Penn, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon and Michael "clueless" Moore). If you just listen to these people talk it becomes clear they have absolutely NO IDEA what is going on in this world. The same goes for the anti-Bush posters on this board. Truth is, most of them are taking such an anti-Bush stance when they don't even have full knowledge or comprehension of the issues. I bet if I asked them to name THREE reasons why Kerry would do a better job than Bush, I wouldn't get anything even close to an intelligent reply. Bush haters really oughta wake the fuck up!

Bush is the Antichrist and you´re his minion.

I wish Chaney or Rumsfeld were President, I like Bush but he isn't mean enough for me. Dude if you think the leftists are out on this board you need to check around, on the other board I am one of 5 or 6 consevatives in total I think. Here the percentage is much higher. I don't agree with a lot of stuff that he does but I worry about the country in Kerry's hands. It may just be a fear of the unknown but I have no idea what he stands for- I think he might be more of a fence sitter than Clinton. And for all us porn lovin anti bush people I am still worried about the Ketchup ladies influence on her husband and his possible policies towards porn. Porn availability is more likely determined by the community standards where you live- like Rudy's policies towards porn shops in NYC.

Well, I don't want to respond to each of these points in turn because that would remind me too much of the other board except with your point on stem cell research which i agree with you on ( not to mention cloning). I have my opinion of the situation and you have yours- I think Kerry will win in November and then we will have to see how the country comes out of it, because a lot of your points will carry over or would have happened under Kerry too. I am becoming increasing isolationist in my views on world politics and do not want to see our troops used except to defend the USA and a few allies from attack or imminent attack. I think Kerry will be indecisive in the war on terror like Clinton was. I also think Kerry will make the USA subserviant to the EU and UN trying to curry favor and win back "friends". We will get dragged into other conflicts that we will complain about too (if our memories are long enough) and all of our taxes will be raised. As far as censorship issues are concerned you might be right - he might ease up on them but then again he might put some one in AG that could be worse for porn and regardless in 3 years when he is campaiging again for re election he too will raise morality issues just like Bush did. This is why I am voting for Bush the devil I know, flaws and all still seems better to me than the devil i don't.

One thing I do know is that Kerry is a backstabber of vets & POWs everywhere.
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/

You know I have got to try and not talk politics here too, I do it on other boards and it just irratates me so from here on I am going to try and not talk politics here. At least until others do and I can't hold it in anymore

All I can say is if Bush is re-elected or stays in power. Get ready for a BIG war...

You made several invalid points, my friend.

1. "Bush is against stem cell research"
-Wrong. He's opposed to federally FUNDING embryonic stem cell research because of ethical concerns that the embryo might actually constitute a person. Bush, however, is NOT opposed to stem cell research in general.

4. "the "war" in Iraq."
-You sound just as clueless and deluded as every liberal I've ever heard. The war against Iraq was spear-headed by SEVERAL intelligence sources indicating that the Iraqi dictatorship had WMD and provided safe haven for terrorists (including Al Qaeda). If you are President (post 9/11) and you receive this intelligence and ignore it, I want you thrown out of office and prosecuted for gross negligence and disregard for human life.

5. "Halliburton"
-What about Halliburton?

6. "WMD"
-Again, several intelligence sources in the U.S., Britain and Russia indicated WMD production in Iraq. Quit with the slanted liberal banter and open your eyes to the facts for a change.

7. "When the second plane hit on 9/11 Bush did not respond immediately, instead he finished reading a book to an elementary school class, proving that he is a man who doesn't think on his feet."
-Hindsight is perfect isn't it pal? After the first airplane struck the WTC, few people, if any, recognized it for what it was (terror attack). Most people (including you) assumed it was a tragic accident. It wasn't until the second plane hit that anyone realized we were being attacked. Kerry would've done the SAME damn thing.

8. "Ashcroft's war on porn"
-I'm not voting for an indecisive, gutless liberal just because I want more grotesque porn (and that's assuming Kerry's AG would be any less restrictive).

9. "George Bush wants to dictate when we have the election in case of a terrorist attack. Wouldn't that be convenient."
-Never said he wanted to act on this, merely raised the possibility (which could thwart the toppling of our government). It's also highly unlikely. At the very least, it would take a constitutional amendment to pull this off.

10. Michael Powell and the FCC
-What's your concern with the FCC? Are they too harsh on your buddy Howard Stern?

11. Bush's service records were destroyed, and no one that served with the guy can be found.
-Since when are service records (and a military buddy) required to be President of the United States?

12. Osama Bin Laden
-Can't find him, you're right. But are you trying to persuade me that Kerry can? If so, you're in liberal la-la land.

13. The Patriot Act
-So you're opposed to wire-tapping and surveillance of U.S. citizens who may be suspected of terrorist activity and labeling them "enemy combatants"? Sure, why not let the "John Walker Lindhs" of the country cultivate terror cells from California to Maine and assist Al Qaeda in another attack? Sound good to you? By the way, Kerry voted for the Patriot Act before he flip-flopped.

17. Bush's Medicare bill will cost at least $534 billion over the next decade.
-OK, and now Kerry's health care plan.... I'm all ears.

18. The Pentagon deleted from a public transcript a statement Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld made to author Bob Woodward suggesting that the administration gave Saudi Arabia a two-month heads-up that President Bush had decided to invade Iraq.
-So what's your point on this?

"and on, and on, and on...."
-I doubt it, all of your counter-points have been paper thin to this point.

As per my original post, nobody can come up with anything resembling a sensible response that favors Kerry. Nice try, but as I anticipated, it falls far short.

7. "When the second plane hit on 9/11 Bush did not respond immediately, instead he finished reading a book to an elementary school class, proving that he is a man who doesn't think on his feet."
-Hindsight is perfect isn't it pal? After the first airplane struck the WTC, few people, if any, recognized it for what it was (terror attack). Most people (including you) assumed it was a tragic accident. It wasn't until the second plane hit that anyone realized we were being attacked. Kerry would've done the SAME damn thing.

OK, I misread your statement the first time. But you are wrong on this. Bush did not finish reading a book to kids after the second plane hit. He immediately addressed the nation from the elementary school. Within minutes,the Secret Service had him on Air Force One en route to an Air Force Base in Louisiana. Bush was in the air within 20 minutes of the second plane hitting the North Tower.

AssPiper you make some very good and valid points, but you are taking a hard line right wing approach. Bush hasn't done anything yet that is terrble (yes I said it, though I don't like him anyways) but he has setup some systems that could allow him or another to do some terrible things (The Patriot Act). He also increased the cycle of hate in the middle east towards westerners with his blunt hammer called the military. Everything else that has gone wrong can't be directly pinned on Bush, most of it comes from the Hawks and various advisors. Don't joke yourself though, he hasn't spent this much money on defence and offensive military devices recently just to sit on it and pick the petals off of a flower. Something terrible will happen sooner or later, if anything Bush is just the setup man. Kerry could turn out to be a wolf in sheeps clothing, remember he turned his back on all the Vietnam vets and committed some atrocities of his own during the Vietnam war. Only later to turn around and deny them.
Just remember anyone that vies for power is most likely a psychopath. The true king should always be the man who least wants it.

Robert Redford was the best President you Yanks never had.

LB.

First off, regardless of whatever his political views are, Cleetus fucking rules and I would never want to go at it about politics with the dude (though I will own you at Fantasy Football).

As for AssPiper, you've just replied to all my statements, but you haven't given me any reasons to vote for Bush. Voting for Kerry is just a shot in the dark, but its a shot most of us are willing to take. You're one of these guys that, rather than hype up Bush, you would rather spend your time smearing Kerry. Rather than name the thread "Bush Rules!" or something like that, you write "Bush Haters Are Clueless" just tring to wrile people up, like Bush supporters have some super high IQ and Bush haters can't read. I hate to break it to you, but most Bush supporters are rednecks living in the middle states that don't matter other than that they have a high population. They are the last of a dying breed, and regardless of what you reply with, I'd be willing to bet you fall into this category of morons or the other category that consists of people that have deep personal issues with people from the middle east and think Bush is the only guy who will act out anything violent against them. Bush supporters are the same people that listen to formulated country music and make songs like "Achy Breaky Heart" a huge success.
Kerry served in Vietnam, realized it was a lost cause, came back and tried to open people's minds up about what was really going on. One of those 25,000 americans could have been your brother, or your uncle, or your dad.
I'm not going to spend all day typing up a post on a porn forum trying to defend left wingers, so this is it for the asslovindude. Go ahead and vote for Bush, you'll lose anyways. The people have spoken, and Bush knows what he has coming in the future. He's so scared he wants to move the fucking election.
By the way, don't play dumb about Halliburton. You know exactly where I'm going with that.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5333896/

Asspiper = Zombie

LOL, thanks Asslovin' but that is not going to stop me from putting a smackdown on all your candy asses in the FFleague.


Now Smartt has confused me because it is either Paxson or Pullman that I like and I can't rememnber which.

Steve McQueen would have made a good president. I can just see him shooting everyone in Congress.

LB.

Even better than those actors I am actually hoping they perfect cloning- then they could clone Teddy Roosevelt and make him President for life.

nice point smutmutant. The Democrats like to blast Bush for bringing terrorism to our doorstep, but they forget one important thing. Al Qaeda (among others) was attacking and plotting against the United States during Clinton's entire 8-year administration. And the liberals think that will stop just because a gutless vietnam vet gets into office? No way. That is exactly the key here, smutmutant. America has got to be PROACTIVE in our approach to the war on terror. If not, it will get very ugly. Clueless liberals like the Hollywood fags, singers, entertainers and all the anti-Bush whiners all over the world are completely BLIND to this fact. They are content to lie back in wait, and only react if something bad happens. That's not the direction the nation should be going. Certainly not now.

No one´s cluelesser than The Busher himself.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/movies/0805041bush.mov

I don't know why people hate Bush. He has very nice eyebrows.

SJ.

He looks he fell off the top bunk bed in that clip.