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Wetmartini,
Exactly what did I post on ADT that would be considered 'bullshit', as you so lovingly put it? I suggest you take a very close look at this thread again from beginning to end before you pass judgement on me or DVD Exotic. My points are simple and well backed up. Please, take the high road and address these. Thanks Martini!
Noel Plum, What happened? You never replied to my last post regarding your previous statements. That was over a week ago.
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Exoticgirl, exactly where did i say you posted bullshit on ADT? in this sentence? -

"just because you can't say whatever vitriolic bullshit you want on *their* forum without it being *moderated* does not mean they are against free speech and advocate censorship."

sorry, perhaps i should have used "one" instead of "you." i was speaking generally and meant "you" plural. most of my post wasn't directed towards your situation with ADT at all, except maybe to address your notion of censorship. a few people here seem to think that ADT is against freedom of speech because they actively *moderate* their forums - hence my comment about vitriolic bullshit. the moderation is mostly to prevent such posts from proliferating and degenerating the forum into a mass of asinine and immature flame wars and trashtalking, as has become incredibly prevalent here. i must admit though, it does have some strange entertainment value.

as per your situation with ADT, i pass no judgement whatsoever. in fact if what you say about Steph and Drew locking the thread after posting some negative comments is true, i would even side with you in thinking it unfair. unfortunately, by your request, all the "evidence" was deleted. even if it were true, along with all the other allegations of favortism, unfairness, etc. - so what? they are, after all, very human and like all humans are prone to making mistakes, having character flaws, biases, thinking subjectively, etc., etc., etc. i often find myself somewhat disagreeing with the specific actions of some mods at ADT. yet, is any one of us claiming to be any better? have you treated every person you've met fairly without bias? have you never shown favortism towards another individual? even still, thanks to freedom of speech you have the ability to express your feelings of disgruntlement here or elsewhere. your complaints about receiving unfair treatment may even be 100% justified, although there is absolutely nothing here to justify or support the claim of ADT being anti-free speech.

incidentally, no matter which dictionary you might check, the definition of "censorship" always centers around the *deletion or removal* of information, or prevention of access to information. locking or closing a thread does not necessarily constitute censorship.

furthermore, censorship, in and of itself, does not by any means constitute a violation of free speech or antagonism towards it. censorship occurs every day, in every place by every person. parents who prevent their children from watching certain movies, or accessing certain websites are excercising censorship. i could go on and on and on. are these behaviors anti-free speech? of course not. you may have the freedom to say whatever you want but i also have the freedom to keep myself from hearing it or reading it. hence freedom of speech does NOT mean you can say anything you want any*WHERE* you want.

if any of you hardcore, pro-freedom, anti-establishment anarchists take nothing else from anything i write, please remember at least this: civil liberties can only be considered rightful freedoms when they don't infringe on the freedoms of others. perhaps the best and most extreme example of this was the argument the Confederacy gave to the Union just prior to the Secession. they considered themselves victims of Northern abolitionist policy because their "freedom" to own slaves was being taken away. ironic, isn't it?