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#439552 - 08/01/09 02:50 PM
Do any of you consider your selves christians?
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Porn Fucking Master
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If you do, how do you reconcile your lusts with your religion?
Edited by Bug Whisperer (08/01/09 08:00 PM)
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#439553 - 08/01/09 05:19 PM
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No.. though I imagine they make it up as they go along, like the others.
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#439554 - 08/01/09 06:22 PM
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Porn Jesus
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"your selfs".
haha....
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#439555 - 08/01/09 06:33 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Mini derail alert. I think my Q fits here though.
You guys ever rub one out to Song Of Solomon, K1ng James Edition?
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#439557 - 08/01/09 07:08 PM
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#439561 - 08/02/09 05:51 PM
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Porn Fucking Master
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No one? I was really in the mood to get into some nasty arguments with both sides accusing the other of knee jerk reactions, rhetoric and ad hominem attacks.
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#439562 - 08/03/09 08:30 AM
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Porn Jesus
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I am a christian in the sense that I am the product of a couple of thousand years or so of christian moralities and laws, as are we all.
What I have trouble understanding is this making of a political issue, like say global warming, and turning it into a religion. Atheists treat their belief system like a religion as well.
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#439563 - 08/03/09 10:32 AM
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AC Cream Wannabe
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I am a Christian. I am NOT a "political" Christian. However, whether you are Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Shinto, if you're doing it right, it's never about "arriving" it's about the journey.
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#439564 - 08/03/09 07:49 PM
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Registered Sex Offender
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I am a Christian. I am NOT a "political" Christian. However, whether you are Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Shinto, if you're doing it right, it's never about "arriving" it's about the journey.
I think that's true of Buddhism, but not really true of Christianity or Islam. They focus on salvation, which in their view means getting to heaven. Buddhists focus on expanding and deepening their consciousness through a process that involves many lifetimes. Christians and Muslims just want to get to heaven and will kill anyone who stands in their way or tells them their way might not be the right one.
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#439569 - 08/04/09 06:32 AM
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Porn Jesus
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Well, if a christian was really following their beliefs, they would discount global warming as a distraction, probably even a tool of satan.
Which sort of Christian? You say it like it means one thing. The truth is Christians come in so many denominations that believe such different things, that your statement just can’t apply to them all. Anyway from the multi-denominational mega churches to the ultra conservative rolling on the floor and speaking in tongues (or holy rollers) denominations you’ll find believers in the church of Al Gore. Although you’ll find the vast majority of his believers coming from the church of Atheism.
No, my statement was to wonder why these atheists would take a political issue, like global warming, and turn it in to a religion. How they can turn off their so called critical minds, require no proof, and rely on faith alone that it’s all true. Seems like quite a leap to me.
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Seeing as christians believe in the end of the world being in prophecy the idea that human kind could affect something as profound as the climate as blasphemy.
How can believing in prophecy from the bible be any worse than believing in Nostradamus or Astrology or palm reading? Many Christians believe the end of times will be nothing more than a great change brought to the world and that it will go on from there, changed forever. That change or destruction can be and is interpreted as coming from any numbers of sources, from asteroid collision to drastic climate change to nuclear war.
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#439570 - 08/04/09 07:50 AM
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AC Cream Wannabe
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I am a christian in the sense that I am the product of a couple of thousand years or so of christian moralities and laws, as are we all.
What I have trouble understanding is this making of a political issue, like say global warming, and turning it into a religion. Atheists treat their belief system like a religion as well.
Well, if a christian was really following their beliefs, they would discount global warming as a distraction, probably even a tool of satan. Seeing as christians believe in the end of the world being in prophecy the idea that human kind could affect something as profound as the climate as blasphemy.
"Political" christians who get all the attention would tell you that. But those who actually attempt to seek out Christ would not. The political Christians have in essense stolen Christianity from true teachings. The Protestant Bible-Bangers who show up all over TV are for the most part bending and distorting Christianity into a human view and direction. They are as corrupt as the Catholics, or the political ends they serve. Christ was not political.
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#439571 - 08/04/09 07:54 AM
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AC Cream Wannabe
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I am a Christian. I am NOT a "political" Christian. However, whether you are Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Shinto, if you're doing it right, it's never about "arriving" it's about the journey.
I think that's true of Buddhism, but not really true of Christianity or Islam. They focus on salvation, which in their view means getting to heaven. Buddhists focus on expanding and deepening their consciousness through a process that involves many lifetimes. Christians and Muslims just want to get to heaven and will kill anyone who stands in their way or tells them their way might not be the right one.
OK..but salvation in itself is a journey. People like Lubben know all the answers. They are no different than someone who gives up smoking, drinking or over-eating. They will obnoxiously tell everyone how "they" are wrong. The extremists of Christianity or Islam want to convert everyone at the point of a sword. At no place or at no time did Christ himself ever act that way. It is them who have perverted the teachings.
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#439574 - 08/04/09 01:30 PM
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Porn Jesus
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You make a good point Northrop, but I'd temper it by saying there is also a lot of dark and ugly (and completely nonsensical) stuff in the 'good' book as well. A quick whip through Deuteronomy and Leviticus will back this up. While you could shoot for the 'it was the product of its time' argument, let's not forget that alotta people are claiming that this is the unbending word of the almighty creator and not a Mark Twain story....
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#439575 - 08/04/09 01:41 PM
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Porn Jesus
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plenty of christians believe in global warming
As I said eagle eyes, you find them in every Christian denomination.
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and there are plenty of atheists who do not.
Most of the WWAGD crowd are atheist urban elitists, but not all.
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An odd statement coming from a guy who just posted about the variety of christians.
How exactly does me saying that Christians are diverse not jive with me saying there are a lot of Christians that also follows Al’s church as well? Put down the pipe son.
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Lots of evangelicals are getting behind fighting global warming.
As I said before, thanks for playing.
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Enough with ths Michael Savage bullshit.
For a Canadian you sure know a lot about American talk radio. I myself have never listened to his show and can not, at this time make any statements one way or another concerning his veracity. Although I thought putting him on that list of UK undesirables was a big fucking joke.
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Your posts are getting more Coke-like every day.
Coke who?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/08/national/08warm.html?_r=1
You know most of those who signed it were from universities don’t you? You can’t get grant money unless you tow the climate change line.
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Here is an atheist and libertarian whose vids I enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/user/shanedk
Here is a Canadian I enjoy reading. Yeah I can’t believe I just said that either.
Right Here
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And please knock it off with the atheist "set of beliefs". I don't have any belief in some god guy, any more than not believing in astrology or alchemy or homeopathy is 'a set of beliefs'. I like the sports teams analogy, as simplistic as it is. I don't follow the sport....
Au contraire. Your belief system is Atheism itself. Like religions Atheists don’t have all the answers either, yet they’re quick to heap scorn and ridicule on any belief that is not simpatico with their own as quickly and extremely as hard core Jihadists do.
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Some dumb bitch hippie selling crystals and reading palms doesn't have the same political clout and money as a nut like John Hagee......
So what your saying is that people who don’t cotton to your belief system are nuts, whether they be Hippies, Buddhists, Hindus, or Christians? Oh yeah you Atheists sure are a tolerant open minded lot.
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#439576 - 08/04/09 01:42 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
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You make a good point Northrop, but I'd temper it by saying there is also a lot of dark and ugly (and completely nonsensical) stuff in the 'good' book as well. A quick whip through Deuteronomy and Leviticus will back this up. While you could shoot for the 'it was the product of its time' argument, let's not forget that alotta people are claiming that this is the unbending word of the almighty creator and not a Mark Twain story....
Consider for a moment that the Bible is the word of God. If God really is who the Bible says he is, why then would it be a "product of the times"? Why would an all-powerful God allow humans to mess with his book? C.S. Lewis said that Jesus was one of 3 things..
Liar
Lunatic
Lord
Which one?
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#439577 - 08/04/09 01:45 PM
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Whoremaster
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Bug, you're taking a confrontational approach to understanding Christianity. Just like with any philosophy, you've got to read it sympathetically first before you understand. Then you can read it critically, then try to read it a 3rd time, objectively.
Have you read the Book of John yet? That's where most Christians tell you to start if you want to understand.
Holy shit, the first and last intelligent post. End of thread. 
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#439578 - 08/04/09 01:52 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
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Some dumb bitch hippie selling crystals and reading palms doesn't have the same political clout and money as a nut like John Hagee......
Hagee falls under the saying "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" Many actual Christians abhor people like John Hagee. Hagee gets a lot of attention because he offers great soundbites, and people who find his type of teaching a way to answer their life questions. If you go back to the original question that started this thread..If you are actually attempting to follow Christ, then life will be a series of struggles and not a collection of pat answers and political philosophies. Hagee and his various TV cousins do not represent real Christianity.
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#439579 - 08/04/09 02:01 PM
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Porn Jesus
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So what your saying is that people who don’t cotton to your belief system are nuts, whether they be Hippies, Buddhists, Hindus, or Christians? Oh yeah you Atheists sure are a tolerant open minded lot.
This from a guy who mocks any hippie and liberal elitist view on here. All you ever do is tear into people for what they believe, you fuckin hypocrite. People can believe whatever the fuck they want, shithead. But don't try and tell me you'd want your elected official making decisions based on palm-reading and crystals.
I don't have any religious belief, really. It isn't a set of beliefs. Really. Did the bible school thing and church as a kid and it just kind of faded away as i got older. Jihadists? Like I said, I think religion is pretty much baloney. Nice try though, Hannity.
Feel free to tear me apart about my political views all you want; I would expect no less.
Of course I don't have all the answers. Plenty of religious folks of all stripes routinely make the claim that they do. Remember, they get their answers from the One and Only True God.
But when it comes to religion , I have no horse in that race.
PS> no need to capitalize atheist , or even call me one for that matter. I just don't believe....
Edited by tattypatty (08/04/09 02:07 PM)
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#439580 - 08/04/09 02:49 PM
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Porn Jesus
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This from a guy who mocks any hippie and liberal elitist view on here.
Liberal elitist are, as a general rule, hippies or ex-hippies.
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All you ever do is tear into people for what they believe, you fuckin hypocrite.
We’re talking religion not politics kid, and thanks again for showing that the liberal mentality is unable to distinguish between the two.
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People can believe whatever the fuck they want, shithead.
Unless they’re Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, or Hippie, right, then there just stupid?
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But don't try and tell me you'd want your elected official making decisions based on palm-reading and crystals.
I don’t base my decision about politicians on their super natural beliefs. I don’t think many conservatives do either, otherwise Nancy would have scudded that second Regan term.
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I don't have any religious belief, really. It isn't a set of beliefs. Really.
I didn’t say you had religious beliefs, I said Atheist treat Atheism like a religion. They scorn their detractors and hold up their views as the only correct ones in life.
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Did the bible school thing and church as a kid and it just kind of faded away as i got older.
Sounds more like Agnosticism than Atheism to me.
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Jihadists?
No they don’t blow people up it’s called a metaphor. In this instance I use it to describe the level of many of the Atheists anti-religious zeal.
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Like I said, I think religion is pretty much baloney. Nice try though, Hannity.
Again, you seem to know much more about American Conservative radio than I do. I don’t listen to any of them. All my information comes from online. My iGoogle homepage has 20 different rss news feeds from around the world. I like to read the same story from different perspectives because it can help identify what is spin and what is not. Maybe you should try it, and then maybe you could move on from moveon.
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Feel free to tear me apart about my political views all you want; I would expect no less.
Again you show no sign that you are able to distinguish between religion and politics.
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#439583 - 08/04/09 03:14 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
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I am a christian in the sense that I am the product of a couple of thousand years or so of christian moralities and laws, as are we all.
Wow great you can speak for everyone, including non Christians. How insulting.
Christianity has absorbed pagan traditions. Give it another thousand years Christianity will be virtually dead like wiccans are now, and another stupid religion will be it's place.
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#439584 - 08/04/09 03:30 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Great thread with (mostly) idiotic posts.
So far, I agree with Dean's first sentence: "
Don't confuse mocking religious beliefs with being intolerant."
In my experience, any monotheistic religion is (almost) by default intolerant. It's inherent to the concept of redemption and after-life.
I'm a card-carrying member of the Agnostic Front. If you don't have doubts, we'll make you have them!
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#439586 - 08/04/09 03:42 PM
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All my information comes from online.
No shit, that much is obvious. 
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#439588 - 08/04/09 06:38 PM
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Porn Jesus
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You can always tell when I’ve struck at the truth of the matter.  No I don’t believe in a magic Jesus, nor am I arrogant enough to believe I have all the answers, and therefore can exclude the existence of any higher intellect. Just like any religion that gets protection by government law Atheism will supplant all existing religious beliefs. Just because it’s working against religion does not mean it’s not a religious force. The absolute value of -5 is still 5.
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#439590 - 08/04/09 07:19 PM
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Porn Jesus
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and how does that negate the fact that Atheism walks like a duck and quacks like a duck?
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#439592 - 08/04/09 07:26 PM
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Porn Jesus
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#439593 - 08/04/09 07:29 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Here's hopin!
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#439595 - 08/04/09 07:39 PM
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I'm confused about something....Does Tatty's avatar meet the requirements of Godwin's Law? I don't believe so but then I doubt my belief when I start to think about it.
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#439596 - 08/04/09 08:13 PM
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#439598 - 08/04/09 10:06 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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I do consider myself a Christian but not of the Bible thumping variety. I fall short of my own standards which often times (but not all) are aligned with my Catholic upbringing. (yes a Black Catholic but because the of church of my youth... not so sure)
I just try to live my life as an example of how to care for and treat others. I also try to do good and give back. Like most American Catholics I only attend services on Christmas Eve and Easter or when my heart is real heavy.
i just hope in the end if all I was taught is true that my past transgressions do not outweigh the good I have done with my later years. I also hope he doesn't hold premartial sex against me. I have had too much shitty sex to burn in hell for it.
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#439600 - 08/04/09 11:44 PM
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Porn Fucking Master
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I do consider myself a Christian but not of the Bible thumping variety. I fall short of my own standards which often times (but not all) are aligned with my Catholic upbringing. (yes a Black Catholic but because the of church of my youth... not so sure)
I just try to live my life as an example of how to care for and treat others. I also try to do good and give back. Like most American Catholics I only attend services on Christmas Eve and Easter or when my heart is real heavy.
i just hope in the end if all I was taught is true that my past transgressions do not outweigh the good I have done with my later years. I also hope he doesn't hold premartial sex against me. I have had too much shitty sex to burn in hell for it.
Okay, this goes back to my original question about if you consider your self "a carnal christian" which nobody even addressed. (nice fight between tatty and the other guy, I say tatty won but I'm an asshole heathen so I'm biased anyways) I'd go so far to say that you can talk your self blue in the face about the grace of your god but that you don't really understand your own religion,......christians are supposed to be actively avoiding sin, "how can we live in it any longer" Christians are supposed to set the example to non believers, sure you are a sinner saved by grace but it also says "grace without works are dead". It can be a nice little mind fuck trying to validate the grace versus works debate. It's not really a debate as you are only saved by christs sacrifice (in the christian belief), and it's all grace but the general idea is if you really believed that you would be trying to eradicating sin from your life.
If you really believe that you can sin all you want and are still saved by grace this is where I actually start finding your believe extremely fucking offensive, because you're basically saying you could cheat, murder, steal, rape, molest whoever/whatever you wanted and you'd be saved and someone else would go to hell simply by being a Hindu or Buddhist. I think the vast majority of people that consider themselves Christians believe that are saved no matter what they do.
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