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I read it. Bullshit, through and through.





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There is no Republican plan. They tried for eight years, and failed miserably.



Bush didn't do shit. Like in year 8 he tried to get rid of the tax break that ties your health insurance to your job. The Dem's laughed at the lame duck.

The fact that health care is only getting to be more and more a huge problem has been apparently well before Dubya. Clinton didn't make shit happen either.

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How's that thin regulations working? If you get sick, they cancel your insurance. And they will only insure healthy people.



It's not working. The government hasn't even tried to fix it.

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What the Republicans want to do is make individuals pay their own way, so their corporate sponsors can shed themselves of the cost. And try to justify totally fucking the public by giving a tax break for what we would have to pay. Fuck the people some more.



No faith in the free market system. It's crazy how many have just seemed to have missed the collapse of the Soviet Union.

It sucks having your health care tied to your job. My field, jobs are transient. Employers hire looking for people who will stay 2 years. They get laid off, they find new jobs. Tieing your health care to your job sucks big time for the unemployed. COBRA is a band-aid that completely fails. And, people don't switch jobs to what they would like better simply because they're afraid of what might happen to their health care. Companies can swoop in and change your plan to some health insurer who sucks and you have no fucking choice. That shit has happened to me before.

That's the system Obama wants to buttress. Until it completely falls on its ass. At which point his government health care is going to be the only main option.

Salaries are based on the market. If companies have more money because of less spent on health care, some of them will spend it on salaries. Those will be the jobs everyone wants, other companies will have to up their salaries or get stuck in the mire with employees who can't compete for the better jobs. Which is how it should work. Those companies stuck in the mire, entrepreneurs will sink their teeth into and eventually replace. Or, other companies will expand and do the job right - creating better jobs by a company who does it right.

And, some companies will just use the money to keep paying health care like they are now.

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An entire philosophy behind the U.S. Constitution is to make government inefficient.



That is one of the more stupid things I've seen on this stupid board. The idea wasn't that Government programs be inefficient. The idea was that the lawmaking process be difficult enough to prevent easy radical changes. I'm doubtful if Franklin wanted the Post Office to be all fucked up, or Madison wanted an incompetent military.



They throw so mch money at the military, of course it's great. Is that what you want, the goverment to throw so much money at health care it eventually has to be good? You've heard the stories about the waste and excess in the military.

The post office, don't know why the Libs are using this as an example. How much junk mail you get versus real mail? Government subsidies and junk mail companies are paying for the post office.

And, look at where there is room for business to compete with mail, delivering packages. Who have the people decided to use more? FedEx and UPS or USPS? But, if the government starts subsidizing packages because the cost needs to be lowered, everybody's going to start using the post office to deliver packages, like Obama wants to do with health insurance.

Go talk to people on Medicaid now. One of the things the powerless Republicans are taunting the Democrats with is to make Medicaid one of the options for federal employees to use as their insurer. It's a taunt because the Dems know damn well no one will choose the government health insurance.

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So, now you admit the free market system is not regulated enough? It needs the Government to "manipulate" it? WTF? You can't have it both ways.



Nobody says we need zero regulations. The current system is fucked up. Of course they need to screw with it. Republicans in Congress want to screw with it. Just not by creating huge bureaucracies.

There's some quote by George Washington where he tries to define government intervention method with the economy. Something like the winds of commerce blow and government stands just at the very top trying bend the flow. Not step down, try to catch the wind, make it blow the way it thinks it should by creating bureaucracies, thinking they're smarter. Yeah I know. I'm too lazy to look for the quote.

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The current system is badly broken. For-profit health care is just wrong, on so many levels. Some things should not be done for profit, like war, prison, and hospitals.



If it can be done privately, it should be. All the complaints about the healthy system, one of them has not been their motivations for keeping people sick. It's just not been a big problem.


Edited by Northrop (07/25/09 04:47 PM)