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The exorbitant cost of American health care IS a drag on the economy. When a multi-national corporation decides upon which plot to plant a factory, the cost/effectiveness of health care is a concern.

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No doubt.

The Republican plans to minimize cost include thin regulations and exposing health insurance more to free market economics than it currently is. Free market economics rather than creating large bureaucracies where government is supposed to be wise enough to manipulate the entire system so they can sit in their offices and dictate how the market is "supposed" to work.

An example of thin regulations is the one that both McCain and Obama supported in the last election. Allowing importation of meds. Canada, India, paying such lower prices for drugs, that regulation will just force pharmaceutical companies to charge much less in the USA.

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And don't forget the stagnation of American employees trapped in an employer-based health care situation instead of embarking upon their entrepreneurial bent to do something better.

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The center-piece of all the Republican plans I've seen is to remove the health care tax break for corporations and give it to individuals. This makes the people who actually use the system more aware of the costs instead of burying it down in government and book keepers for large corporations. More awareness of price, more exposure to competition.

And, if health insurance companies have to compete more for individuals rather than just rely on large accounts with corporations, the entrepreneurs are going to have more people competing for their dollars.

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Government can not do anything cheaper than private enterprise.

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An entire philosophy behind the U.S. Constitution is to make government inefficient. That's why we've got 2 houses of Congress who's job is to run their mouths debating constantly. They didn't want government to be effective because they don't trust it.

Arguing with the precepts for the most successful document in the history of the world... It's just un-American.

Government does it only if free markets can't. And, no one's tried maniuplating the system to try to get the markets doing it more efficiently. That's the 1st thing to try.

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Laughable. Government appointees are somewhat more accountable than CEOs of the health insurance companies, whose top 10 salaries would provide health care for thousands:

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Yeah, even Dubya complained about how much CEO's make. He just decided not to make it a political class warfare issue like Obama has. Private business isn't perfect, but the idea is that even with their flaws, they do it better than government. If I weren't so lazy, I'd go research an example for you to try to convince you.

Yeah I know, too long. Nobody will read it.

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I read it. Bullshit, through and through.

There is no Republican plan. They tried for eight years, and failed miserably.

How's that thin regulations working? If you get sick, they cancel your insurance. And they will only insure healthy people.

How's that free market health care going? Great, if you are a health care corporation, or if you are rich enough to afford good care, or have a good employer based system like I do. Not worth a fuck for most of us.

What the Republicans want to do is make individuals pay their own way, so their corporate sponsors can shed themselves of the cost. And try to justify totally fucking the public by giving a tax break for what we would have to pay. Fuck the people some more.

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An entire philosophy behind the U.S. Constitution is to make government inefficient.

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That is one of the more stupid things I've seen on this stupid board. The idea wasn't that Government programs be inefficient. The idea was that the lawmaking process be difficult enough to prevent easy radical changes. I'm doubtful if Franklin wanted the Post Office to be all fucked up, or Madison wanted an incompetent military.

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Arguing with the precepts for the most successful document in the history of the world... It's just un-American.

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Yeah, the Republicans really wiped their asses with it the last 8 years. And you think supporting a Government program for health of the citizens, and saying it can be effective, is un-American? That's just stupid.

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Government does it only if free markets can't. And, no one's tried maniuplating the system to try to get the markets doing it more efficiently. That's the 1st thing to try.

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So, now you admit the free market system is not regulated enough? It needs the Government to "manipulate" it? WTF? You can't have it both ways.

The current system is badly broken. For-profit health care is just wrong, on so many levels. Some things should not be done for profit, like war, prison, and hospitals. I agree with Bill Maher in this article:

New Rule: Not Everything in America Has to Make a Profit

I don't usually just call someone's post stupid, but damn, there are some stupid things on here lately.


-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy