Tell me about it. I have a prescription now, and a bunch I had before. Script for 0.25mg one a day, plus I have 42 1mg and 18 10mg Valium.

How much do folks usually take recreationally? Do you like them? Do I have a lot, or a little? How do they make you feel?

I kinda get mellow, some times I decide to go to sleep. I get a little buzz when they first kick in. I cut the 1mg in half, so I don't just conk out. The 0.25's don't seem to do much, but hey, I got a script for it.

Talk to me, I ain't talked drugs with anyone in like 20 years. I am going to chill out on this stuff for a little while.

-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy

How does taking pills affect your sobriety, Charin?

if you do them more than a month do not cold turkey to quit.

always take with some beers.

weed is better.

Very correct question. I'm taking them at night, and they seem to help me calm down and relax. I've had them for over a year, but only played around with them a couple times. They don't cause any cravings, and I am working a decent program.

I am curious if I am into a recreational dosage or not, and what I may be missing. They don't seem to have a great appeal to me, I like them a little, but I don't want to let them get in the way of anything. I've heard them mentioned as something people enjoy a lot, but I only seem to enjoy a little. I enjoyed the Vicodin I got when I broke my collarbone playing softball a lot more, but my refill ran out, so that was that, no big deal.

Some in AA would call this a break in sobriety, but I am alcoholic and not a drug addict. I did get a prescription...and I honestly feel no danger. Just curiosity. I was surprised I could order these online.

-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy

Edit-The beers definitely ain't gonna happen! Maybe that's it, the effect isn't enhanced by alcohol.

if you liked alchohol's grasp you will love xanax's

I took 14 @ 1mg and had 4 shot vodka and red rull.


best sleep of my life.....and its half life is still there....i going back to sleep!

So, this means its perfectly ok to do a line of coke every now and then since you're an recovering alcoholic in AA and not a drug addict in NA? I'm not being snarky here, but I am having a hard understanding this.

Cocaine and marijuana are purely recreational, except in rare cases. Experience shows the marijuana maintenance program doesn't work for alcoholics.

I'm goofing around a little bit with something I have a script for, that I actually get valid medical benefit from. Something I've had sitting around, tested then ignored, for over a year. Now, if I make pill popping my main recreational activity, or I have an urge to wash them down with a beer, I will immediately cease, destroy, and tell the prescribing doctor. End of that problem.

By the way, a psychiatrist trying to help an alcoholic is like a bone specialist trying to help a jellyfish. Nothing there to work with. I just kinda tell them what I think I need.

-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy

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You've had the same effect on me.

-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy

I've seen this movie before with several friends. People start abusing drugs (street drugs and prescription drugs) and become addicted for the same reasons that people drink and become alcoholics. Problem drinkers that allow themselves to mess with drugs either fall off the booze wagon or develop drug problems (and vice versa).

And that's why I started this thread, and I've already learned a couple valuable things.

But the reason I'm alcoholic is hereditary.

I think I'm dialed in about right, about a half gram every so often to take the edge off. Or maybe I should just kick coffee. I'm nowhere near the 14 grams lipsync took, and I hope keeping things down to a dose maybe twice a week or so will keep me from physical addiction.

What about tolerance?

-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy

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Hereditary factors can make you more likely to develop an addiction, but they are never "the reason". The "reasons" are circumstances you find yourself in(or put yourself in) and the CHOICES you make. Anyone can become an addict if they let it happen, regardless of family history.

You're a little quick to absolve yourself of personal responsibility for becoming an alcoholic. Oh, I forgot. You have a liberal worldview. That's the modus operandi.

I've had some experience with Xanax and it's always given me amnesia. Recreationally, I'd take a few of those .25's you have there, if you have no tolerance to benzos, then move up. That's as small as they come.

And, yes, mellow or calming is the best way to describe the high. Some claim euphoric results. I often mixed them with alcohol, though I respect your position here. Benzos are addictive, so be careful.

@ Coke

Quite the opposite. Since I now have a solution, my alcoholism, and my life, are my responsibility.

I no more caused it than masturbation caused my astigmatism. And no matter how well adjusted I become, no matter how well I get along in life, I will always be alcoholic.

Nothing else ever came anywhere close. Except maybe cigarettes.

-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy

Tread carefully, my man. I'm coming from it from a different angle (heroin addict friends), and there has been mixed results when prescription drugs (percs, the -pam family) have been introduced into their lives.


Anyone in your group have experiences they can share?

Edit: what is it for? Anything depression or anxiety related, I'd be happy to share my experiences.....

I'd LOVE to get you on a jury. It's always a good idea to watch for signs that a potential juror might be hippyish.

"Ladies and gentleman of the jury, my client did not cause himself to become a killer any more than masturbation causes astigmatism. It was society! It was his parents! It is in his genes! You must acquit this poor victim of circumstances beyond his control".

Anxiety and depression. I have depressive episodes, and anxiety when I start getting better. Started about 3 years ago. Might be triggered by seasonal affective disorder, my father's death, or changes at work?

Lexapro 10mg and Welbutrin upped Thursday from 100 to 200 mg seem to be helping a great deal. And it feels really good, when I feel overwhelmed by a plethora of little things, to do a Xanax or Valium and be able to calmly focus on one thing, and be OK with things.

Back to therapy the 31st. I've been taking people's advise this time, going to a shrink instead of letting my DO prescribe, and going to a therapist my grand-sponsor who is in the business suggested.

Experiences I've been close to in AA is that drug addicts can definitely be "triggered" back into their active addiction by medicine, but alcoholics seem to do just fine as long as they stay close to the doc's prescription. My sponsor's take is "don't be a martyr, get the help you need."

I'm far from alone, several people I know with substantial sobriety are battling depression. Probably similar to the percentage in the larger population, I guess, but maybe we are quicker to seek help. Medication seems to help most of these folks. I've not inquired about what meds everybody is on.

I went to a depression discussion forum, and Jesus, it was the most depressing thing I'd ever seen. Young people debating whether to cut themselves, talking about having no hope for life. I just want to lie on the couch and sleep a lot when I get really bad, but I'm doing much better. I know some people with serious psychiatric disorders, and I'm nowhere near them, thank God. But, this thing did kick my ass hard for a while.

-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy

There aren't alternative meds to Xanax that aren't chemically addictive? Treating something chronic with an addictive substance, sounds like playing with fire.

I'm hoping it's episodic. I was fine for almost a year, without meds, after my first episode. Then, I became depressed again, started to come out of it, had a blow up at work, and sank back down. I'm starting to feel a lot better now, like I might be on the road to being OK again, but it may be the meds helping. Prognosis is for recovery with little or no maintenance medication.

-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy

Are you getting any exercise? It helps tremendously.

You got that right. I felt great after I mowed the lawn today. This Border Collie drags me down a trail every so often, and I'm back to work. But, yes, I need to do more. Makes a tremendous difference.

-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy

Right on. And I need to follow a little more of my own advice lately.

Pills rule, pop a couple of Xanax and go watch Gag Factor. Write a review. Try some Oxies, too.

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No shit. You should try boxing. Hitting stuff is liberating as hell.
And I agree with you about the depression forums. I found it far better to talk to folks who had come away from it and had a positive outlook on life.

xanax used to make me black out sooooooo bad

When i was younger a friend gave a few xanax and prozac . They didnt do anything to me . Or at least i didnt notice .

I personally don't like pills of any kind . Except like aspirin an tylenol and cold medicine they serve a purpose . To help you heal .

Those are pills mess with your brain and leave you permanently changed . You brain and body need them after a while . If you think you feel a little depressed now , you take these pills , and even if you think you feel better , you take like 300 more thru out several months , and then your brain needs them to function , and you try to stop and you become more depressed when you first started out .