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#425854 - 05/20/09 06:45 PM
Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/30/08
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Homos in the service? Seriously, this shit is would be laughable if it wasn't so fucking pathetic. I'd especially like to hear from any posters who have served. The comments at the bottom of this article are pretty fucking sad.... http://www.military.com/news/article/af-boots-decorated-pilot-for-being-gay.html?col=1186032310810
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#425855 - 05/20/09 07:11 PM
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Whoremaster
Registered: 06/22/07
Posts: 2656
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Odumba could have gotten rid of "don't ask, don't tell" on his first day in office. Opps! Another broken promise, just like that shit about closing Gitmo. He didn't know what he was talking about and would have said anything to get elected.
In truth, almost no one gets kicked out under the policy. It's a way to keep people from going too far and being overly flamboyant, which would be disruptive. Otherwise, they might have to give homos their own showers and bathrooms, which would become like highway reststops.
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#425857 - 05/20/09 07:26 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
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It will be interesting to see who laughs in 50 years once the aberrant minorities have been given equal rights. I'm not referring to the negroes who will be insignificant as a minority by that time but the fags.
I think you could give a fag couple control of the country right now and they would clean the place up like they do all the bed and breakfasts in Key West but it wouldn't last.
Thankfully, I'll be dead before then.
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#425858 - 05/20/09 07:28 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 03/07/06
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The only people that give a shit about gays in the military are homophobes and Christians. It just so happens that the military is full of each.
But of course Coke had to get his facts completely wrong again. What a shocker!!!
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#425861 - 05/20/09 08:42 PM
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 717
Loc: Off the mortal coil
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It looks like it is OK to waterboard prisoners, but if you are gay you are done. What type of moral back spin is that?
That is why "military intelligence" is truly an oxymoron.
CIA!=military.
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#425864 - 05/20/09 10:53 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/30/08
Posts: 7599
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Haaaaaaaa When Jesse Ventura was talking about being held upside down, barely able to breathe, with snot shooting out of his nose, all I could think of was Max bending those girls over the couches and throat fucking them.
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#425865 - 05/20/09 11:17 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 04/02/09
Posts: 1541
Loc: Mississippi
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I am a veteran. I'm not crazy about the idea of allowing openly gay people in the military, but don't care enough to get too worked up about it. I'm not a very naive person, so I am aware that they have always been there and will always be there.
Gay marriage is a whole different thing.
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#425866 - 05/21/09 04:16 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/25/06
Posts: 4470
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I am a veteran. I'm not crazy about the idea of allowing openly gay people in the military, but don't care enough to get too worked up about it. I'm not a very naive person, so I am aware that they have always been there and will always be there.
Gay marriage is a whole different thing.
Does the idea of fags in the military make you paranoid to believe that you're unsafe during shower time or something?
And what about gay marriage? Please, tell us your feelings. Seriously, what's the big fucking deal, we allow conservative jerkoffs to put up anti-Abortion & "God is coming" signs on interstate billboards in Iowa & Kansas, but two homos getting hitched is somehow offensive to people?
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#425867 - 05/21/09 07:33 AM
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Stormy's Lawyer
Registered: 04/12/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Under a bridge
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We can't llow dem queerosexuals rights to our mitary secrets.... JK..I am all for gays to have equal rights...since well im bi XD 
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#425869 - 05/21/09 09:23 AM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 09/07/03
Posts: 565
Loc: State of Moral Decay
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In truth, almost no one gets kicked out under the policy. It's a way to keep people from going too far
It's also a super-handy excuse for the military to dole out punishment on certain recruits when they can't prove a charge of something else.
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#425870 - 05/21/09 09:45 AM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 04/02/09
Posts: 1541
Loc: Mississippi
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I am a veteran. I'm not crazy about the idea of allowing openly gay people in the military, but don't care enough to get too worked up about it. I'm not a very naive person, so I am aware that they have always been there and will always be there.
Gay marriage is a whole different thing.
Does the idea of fags in the military make you paranoid to believe that you're unsafe during shower time or something?
And what about gay marriage? Please, tell us your feelings. Seriously, what's the big fucking deal, we allow conservative jerkoffs to put up anti-Abortion & "God is coming" signs on interstate billboards in Iowa & Kansas, but two homos getting hitched is somehow offensive to people?
Well since you asked, I will tell you. But are you sure you don't want to go ahead and continue to assume you already know the answers?
As I said in my post, it isn't really a very strong opposition. I don't much care for women in the military for the same reasons, but am just as dispassionate since it really boils down to a question of living in a fantasy world or living in the real world.
In the perfect world, I think that the military should be made up of heterosexual guys who could spend time together and bond closely, but not develop any sort of physical or romantic relationship. It really isn't about any personal dislike or fear or homophobia. In fact it really isn't about homosexuality at all since I feel just about the same way towards the idea of women in the military. I can't say I get too worked up about either though.
As far as gay marriage, like I said, I feel differently about that: I am all for it and do have strong feelings that it is the right thing for society to do. Uhh, but you already knew that, right?
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#425871 - 05/21/09 10:02 AM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 04/02/09
Posts: 1541
Loc: Mississippi
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After all, can anybody imagine what would happen to a combat unit if somebody like Eric had a gay relationship with another man in the unit who "broke up with him" like Bree Olsen did? Could anybody imagine what it would be like to be another guy in the unit with that drama going on around you while out on combat deployment?
Eric, your behaviour in this forum is the perfect example of why I don't think it is a good idea to have romantic relationships in the military whether it is between 2 men or a man and a woman.
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#425873 - 05/21/09 10:55 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/25/06
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And I'm the one who knows all the answers? Ahem, I see... FWIW putz, we weren't dating - there was no break up. You're obviously seeing more into it than I did, because you know all the answers. It was a trust issue between friends, but since your another newb shithead in an attempt to get himself recognized by hogpiling on some ancient bandwagon, I'll pardon you this time around. From here on out, I'll just lump you into the category of ignorant asswipe who only hears what he wants to hear. 
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#425875 - 05/21/09 03:04 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 12/24/07
Posts: 997
Loc: FL
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Its all bullshit. Someone's sexual preference shouldnt be an issue for anything. Once upon a time all the same moronic arguments were made against blacks in the military...you know what? Either get used to it or dont join the fucking military. Who someone likes to fuck has NO affect on how they can do their job. As long as they pass all the same entrance requirements,they should have the same rights.
Same thing for marriage,adoption,etc...WTF business is it of anyone else's?? STFU and focus on your own fucked up lives. If 2 people can meet and get married in a drunken stupor in Vegas..then a committed,loving gay cpl should be able to as well.
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#425878 - 05/21/09 03:46 PM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 3509
Loc: Pit of Despair
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I'm indifferent to the whole subject.
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#425879 - 05/21/09 03:54 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/27/07
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I don't care about gays in the military. I'm shocked anyone wants that job to begin with. The military should be happy that anyone is willing to enlist.
I remember when I turned 18 and recruiters started bothering me to join. They were so desperate for people that even when I explained I was a Canadian they still wanted me to fill out the paperwork.
(if that was a little confusing I am a dual citizen)
Note to Americans who join the military, chicken out, then come to Canada as "war resistors": Please take some responsibility for your actions, it's a volunteer army, you signed up, deal with it.
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#425884 - 05/21/09 05:55 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 04/02/09
Posts: 1541
Loc: Mississippi
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And I'm the one who knows all the answers? Ahem, I see...
FWIW putz, we weren't dating - there was no break up. You're obviously seeing more into it than I did, because you know all the answers.
It was a trust issue between friends, but since your another newb shithead in an attempt to get himself recognized by hogpiling on some ancient bandwagon, I'll pardon you this time around. From here on out, I'll just lump you into the category of ignorant asswipe who only hears what he wants to hear.
Oh my, you really think the point of my post was to accurately characterize the nature of your relationship with Bree Olsen???
Listen, I know this isn't exactly the Dept of English Lit. at Yale, but I really expected you could have gotten the point I was trying to make.
By the way, I'm not "piling on". I have even taken your side on other posts regarding this very issue, Eric.
Everybody has a right to act retarded and spaz out after they get dumped, but that shit doesn't belong in a military unit.
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#425886 - 05/21/09 07:24 PM
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Porn Icon
Registered: 02/04/05
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that Armies, Navies, militias, lynch mobs, and Klans have always had at least their fair share of gays amongst them, because that's where zee bois are, obviously.  That is all I have to say on the matter.
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#425889 - 05/21/09 09:02 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 12/24/07
Posts: 997
Loc: FL
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So all single parents should immediately give their kids away?
Straw man
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Plenty of kids are raised just fine by same sex cpls..and plenty more are neglected and abused by hetero cpls.
True. However, with all other conditions equal, heterosexual couples are better adoptive parents because the adoptive family environment is similar to the biological environment.
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I'd much rather a kid get adopted by a loving gay cpl then languish in the hell that is the system.
Me too. Your argument, however, is a classic example of false dilemma. In reality, people who are interested in adopting a kid often wait YEARS before a suitable child is available.
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Too many kids need homes to deny good ones because of what genitalia they both have.
Oh come on, Cameron! Men and women differ in many ways, it's not just about their sex organs.
People wait because of red tape.Or because they want a very specific child(infant,white,blue eyes,etc...etc...)Not because there arent plenty of children who need homes.
If a gay cpl meets all the other requirements..and then some since many gay cpls are willing to take older children,children with special needs,etc..that nobody else wants...then they should be allowed to adopt like anyone else. It isnt like a child ONLY gets male or female influences at home. A loving,responsible home with a same sex cpl is still a loving,responsible home. Just because a cpl is hetero doesnt mean they are the best parents.
The decision should be based solely on who can provide a secure loving home. It should have nothing to do with sexual orientation. Hell...singles can adopt and thats not a traditional mom/dad home. So why is one parent better then 2 same sex parents???
Its a stupid argument based on ignorance and religion. Meanwhile...the kids sitting in misery in shitty foster homes or institutions are the ones who are suffering.
Not to mention that adoption in this country is WAY to difficult. I know many extremely capable cpls that would love to adopt,but cant because they havent been married the requisite number of years..and once they are they are too old or some other BS. Which is why so many people adopt from overseas. But thats a whole other rant...
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#425893 - 05/22/09 12:52 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 5849
Loc: TX, USA
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Its all bullshit. Someone's sexual preference shouldnt be an issue for anything.
"shouldn't be" isn't the same as "never is". Just because it shouldn't be an issue doesn't mean it isn't an issue. It might be a problem, even if it shouldn't be.
The "Warrior" psychology of men in combat is complex, but it's accepted that when the shooting starts an experienced soldier isn't putting his life on the line to defend the constitution, his country, or any particular flag or slogan: he's fighting for his buddies, the others in his unit, and soldiers who don't are, at best, useless.
There is reason to be concerned that if you create a situation where mating hormones compete with the "band of brothers" drive you might hurt performance in combat severely. It's not obvious it would, but how many are you willing to see killed to test the theory, and which battles are you willing to risk losing?
Integrating blacks is not a good analog: prejudice simply isn't as big a problem to overcomes as millions of years of biological impulse might be.
I'm not familiar with any modern military integrating gays and studying carefully the impact on combat psychology (I think some European countries have integrated but with one exception I don't think they have had any meaningful combat in the last 50 years to test the changes).
The Soviets *did* use women in combat roles in WW2 but I don't know if anyone has ever studied how, what affect it had, or what lessons we might learn. It's also unlikely we're going to use Stalin's and Beria's methods of making sure everyone is agreeable to women in combat...
PS. There is an obvious comparison to be made with porn here: would you do a shoot for Falcon studios titled "Three gays and a girl?"
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#425894 - 05/22/09 01:42 AM
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Pervert
Registered: 12/26/07
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JRV: Except "don't ask, don't tell" policy doesn't really prevent gay soldiers from engaging in romantic relationships with other gays. It simply gives ammunition to bullies, blackmailers and homophobes in the military.
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#425897 - 05/22/09 10:22 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 04/02/09
Posts: 316
Loc: Outside Daddy's new Church
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I was an officer in the service during the don't ask, don't tell era. I had at least two gay guys work for me directly. I didn't give a shit what they did after hours as long as they busted their ass for me during working hours and I knew I could depend upon them if the balloon went up.
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#425898 - 05/22/09 10:42 AM
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Whoremaster
Registered: 06/22/07
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We have to be realistic about military culture and mentality. A military's only purpose is to kill people and destroy things, not to be a social utopia.
Imagine a high school football team. Most teams probably have at least one or two closet gays. It's not an issue because they keep quiet and coaches don't discuss sex as part of their official duties. Now imagine if a pc school board butted in and said "openly gay students must now be allowed on the football team" and then flamboyant activists from the school gay club showed up for practice wearing guyliner and talking like Richard Simmons. Don't you think this would be disruptive of the team's goal (winning football games)?
"Don't ask, don't tell" is an effective compromise. What does the fact that you like men's booty holes rather than women's have to do with the job or the military's goals? Nothing. It is not unreasonable to ask ALL in the military to refrain from making an issue of or speaking about their sex lives/preferences.
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#425899 - 05/22/09 11:03 AM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 12/24/07
Posts: 997
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The problem with dont ask dont tell is that IF they are somehow found out...their military career is over. THATS whats not fair.
And if the flamboyant gays with guyliner can run,throw and tackle as well as/better then the rest...then STFU and win the game homophobes!
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#425901 - 05/22/09 11:41 AM
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Porn Jesus
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Didnt want to start a new thread, but Im just putting this here, cause obvisously there are Americans who don't give a shit about spending money. I am not a wine drinker, and I was given this as a gift today, wtf? I think Im gonna sell it on EBAY, I dont want it, I dont even know what the fuck it is: 1937 Des Lambrays, Clos de Lambrays, any wine drinkers, know if this is any good, is it worth opening or trying to sell, he just told me it's expensive and delicious, but I dont like wine. Any suggestions? 
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