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#425904 - 05/22/09 12:55 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
cameronkeys Gay For Pay Registered: 12/24/07 Posts: 997 Loc: FL	Thank you croc and tatty! My point exactly! And I still have hope for Obamas promise. He's had a shit ton to deal with in the short time hes been in office so far. He has to prioritize. Not everything can be done in one fell swoop...some things will take time to work out. _________________________ myspace.com/pornstarcameronkeys twitter.com/cameronkeys cameronkeys.com
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#425905 - 05/22/09 01:10 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
cameronkeys Gay For Pay Registered: 12/24/07 Posts: 997 Loc: FL	Oh and...it happens a lot more then you might think: Gays being kicked out of military at steady rate http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/05/gays_being_kick.html http://www.logcabin.org/lcrchicago/gays_military.html : "As of June, 2007, 58 linguists fluent in Arabic have been kicked out of the military for being gay. This happened even as intelligence agencies complained about a shortage of linguists fluent in Arabic, and the military itself is desperate for Arabic translators." "Allowing openly gay service members will not hurt unit cohesion or competence. Our closest allies allow openly gay service members, including every member of NATO except Turkey. Research shows none of the countries with openly gay service members have been hurt by their non-discrimination policy. England, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and Israel are just some of the 24 nations that allow openly gay members in the military. Even South Africa allows openly gay service members. Even though many opponents predicted problems in these countries before their bans were lifted, time proved them wrong. Researchers say not a single country with openly gay service members has reported any decrease in morale, recruitment, retention or cohesion." "Furthermore, a 2006 Zogby International poll, commissioned by the Michael Palm Center, of U.S combat veterans from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, found that 75% of were comfortable working with gays and lesbians, and 68% either knew for certain or suspected there homosexual members of their own unit. Yet clearly the combat readiness of our military has not suffered with the known presence of gay troops. " "The Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy is corrupted by some people as a way of avoiding military service. Research shows, and even the military admits, that a sizable percentage of those kicked out of the armed forces for being homosexual are actually heterosexual. They use the policy like a get out of jail free card. Eliminating the policy would close this loophole." "The military wastes millions of dollars each year investigating "violations" of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy. With a huge budget deficit, this money could be better spent on projects that actually improve national defense." " The combination of personnel losses are far higher than the 600-750 people per year kicked out under DADT (#1 above). A 2007 analysis of retention data by Dr. Gary Gates of the Williams Institute at UCLA Law School, based on an academic survey of GLBT veterans, found that 19.2% admitted to voluntarily leaving the military because of the difficulties of serving under DADT. This translates to 3000-4000 people per year!! And it has been going on for 13 years. And every one of those 3000-4000 people are already paid for, trained and experienced. You simply can't replace them with a raw recruit off the street. " _________________________ myspace.com/pornstarcameronkeys twitter.com/cameronkeys cameronkeys.com
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#425906 - 05/22/09 01:14 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
cameronkeys Gay For Pay Registered: 12/24/07 Posts: 997 Loc: FL	Quote: Didnt want to start a new thread, but Im just putting this here, cause obvisously there are Americans who don't give a shit about spending money. I am not a wine drinker, and I was given this as a gift today, wtf? I think Im gonna sell it on EBAY, I dont want it, I dont even know what the fuck it is: 1937 Des Lambrays, Clos de Lambrays, any wine drinkers, know if this is any good, is it worth opening or trying to sell, he just told me it's expensive and delicious, but I dont like wine. Any suggestions? It is a very good and VERY expensive wine. Depending on the condition,how it has been stored,etc..etc..it can go for anywhere from $2K-over $5K Nice gift!!!!! I'll take it off your hands if you dont want it!!!! I like wine...esp vintage good wine! I dont think you can sell alcohol on ebay,but I know there are loopholes for certain vintage bottles. For something like that though...I'd go through a more upscale and reputable auction house like Christies if you can. Edited by cameronkeys (05/22/09 01:18 PM) _________________________ myspace.com/pornstarcameronkeys twitter.com/cameronkeys cameronkeys.com
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#425907 - 05/22/09 01:17 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
Crocodile Pervert Registered: 12/26/07 Posts: 2056	Well, had he spent less time robbing Chrysler creditors in brad daylight, destroying the global economy with his inane economic policies and draconian regulations he might have been able to address this issue already. _________________________ "If you keep making fun of me, I might just get pissed and not post on here anymore. Start taking me seriously. I'm a student now" Fatja
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#425908 - 05/22/09 02:01 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
JRV Porn Jesus Registered: 08/03/03 Posts: 5849 Loc: TX, USA	Quote: I didn't give a shit what they did after hours as long as they busted their ass for me during working hours and I knew I could depend upon them if the balloon went up. That's really what I was trying to get at. For any ordinary activity a civilian might encounter just ordering "integrate!" is not a big deal. But a combat force depends one each guy trusting the others to cover their backs even at great personal risk in ways you don't usually see in civilian life. Civilians with no military experience - like me - are a little reluctant to tamper with that mysterious "band of brothers" psycology that comes into play when the bullets start flying. For ordinary activities away from battle gays are not going to be a big deal, but what happens when "the balloon goes up" is what counts and what I'm a little reluctant to tamper with. I doubt it matters compared to other factors - see Vietnam errors - but I'm real reluctant to ask a bunch of guys to die to find out. _________________________ "If they can't picture me with a knife, forcing them to strip in an alley, I don't want any part of it. It's humiliating." - windsock
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#425909 - 05/22/09 02:33 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
Coke banned by Monkey Whoremaster Registered: 06/22/07 Posts: 2656 Loc: Polekatz, Rte 43	Quote: Thank you croc and tatty! My point exactly! And I still have hope for Obamas promise. He's had a shit ton to deal with in the short time hes been in office so far. He has to prioritize. Not everything can be done in one fell swoop...some things will take time to work out. Well, if it is as black and white as you all say, why won't Obama change the policy today? All it takes is a stroke of his pen. It wouldn't have to be a long drawn out process. He's under tremendous pressure to do this by the gay and liberal interests that supported him during the election, but he is resisting. Do ya kinda think he would have said anything to get elected regardless of his true intentions on following through? He's now fine with warrantless wiretaps too. He can break any inconvenient promise he wants because the liberal mainstream media is carrying his water. _________________________ "You have been banned from making any new posts or sending private messages. The reason for this ban is: meh, cause i can"
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#425910 - 05/22/09 02:36 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
Fuk Yo Mama Gay For Pay Registered: 03/07/06 Posts: 1059	Cameron Keys is my new XPT crush. She pretty much owned you guys in this thread. _________________________ Honestly, I don't know...I'm torn. We haven't talked since AVN (other than the hearing in February)- Eric on Bree Olson
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#425911 - 05/22/09 02:50 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
cameronkeys Gay For Pay Registered: 12/24/07 Posts: 997 Loc: FL	Quote: Quote: Thank you croc and tatty! My point exactly! And I still have hope for Obamas promise. He's had a shit ton to deal with in the short time hes been in office so far. He has to prioritize. Not everything can be done in one fell swoop...some things will take time to work out. Well, if it is as black and white as you all say, why won't Obama change the policy today? All it takes is a stroke of his pen. It wouldn't have to be a long drawn out process. He's under tremendous pressure to do this by the gay and liberal interests that supported him during the election, but he is resisting. Do ya kinda think he would have said anything to get elected regardless of his true intentions on following through? He's now fine with warrantless wiretaps too. He can break any inconvenient promise he wants because the liberal mainstream media is carrying his water. Well the morality and common sense of it is clear to me,but I'm sure there are plenty of political paperwork and red tape to go through. NOTHING in washington is as easy as signing a paper. And liberal media?? Yeah because no Repub. has EVER lied or broken a promise..weapons of mass destruction anyone? _________________________ myspace.com/pornstarcameronkeys twitter.com/cameronkeys cameronkeys.com
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#425912 - 05/22/09 02:51 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
cameronkeys Gay For Pay Registered: 12/24/07 Posts: 997 Loc: FL	Quote: Cameron Keys is my new XPT crush. She pretty much owned you guys in this thread. Thanks!! You're going to make me blush! _________________________ myspace.com/pornstarcameronkeys twitter.com/cameronkeys cameronkeys.com
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#425913 - 05/22/09 02:58 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
Wankus was my Daddy Max Hardcore Prison Bitch Registered: 04/02/09 Posts: 316 Loc: Outside Daddy's new Church	Quote: Quote: Very,very few people are kicked out for being gay one is too many, especially if they bring special skills to the job... http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/2/25/83448.shtml I'm going to spin you guys around on this. It's really the other way around from my experience. I had a guy come up to me two days before we deployed and said, "I can't go because I'm afraid of what might happen on deployment". He then showed me two polaroids, my eyes are still burning, of him sucking off his roomy. In the don't ask, don't tell way of doing business, at that moment, I had to send him to NIS. He was gone the next day, but he came by and thanked me and last I heard he was a bank teller in Hillcrest in SD. The other was a flamer who worked for me, was pretty senior 12+ years, then pulled the "I'm gay" card when he found out he was HIV + and wanted to spend the remaining time with his people. Unfortunately, this was in the first quarter of the aids pandemic and he died. But what I'm pointing out here is the don't ask, don't tell favored the gays as they can "opt out" when it makes sense, pleases them..... _________________________ "Quasarman. The only thing this idiot should be directing is french fries into a deep fryer." JS
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#425914 - 05/22/09 03:05 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
JRV Porn Jesus Registered: 08/03/03 Posts: 5849 Loc: TX, USA	Quote: "Allowing openly gay service members will not hurt unit cohesion or competence. Our closest allies allow openly gay service members, including every member of NATO except Turkey. None of the European NATO countries have engaged in anything recognizable as "combat" since WW2 - and some well before that - except Britain. They're useless as a measure of what works or doesn't when things get rough. The Soviets used women in combat in WW2, but little is know about how or what, if any, problems were seen, much less if that experience even translates into a Western-style military without the NKVD machine-gun squads to enforce discipline. Quote: Israel are just some of the 24 nations that allow openly gay members in the military. How many of those openly gay soldiers are in combat units? The guys manning the Paperwork & BS department aren't the problem - they might as well be gay for all anyone cares - but the pointy end of the stick is (maybe) another matter. _________________________ "If they can't picture me with a knife, forcing them to strip in an alley, I don't want any part of it. It's humiliating." - windsock
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#425915 - 05/22/09 03:23 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
JRV Porn Jesus Registered: 08/03/03 Posts: 5849 Loc: TX, USA	Quote: JRV: Except "don't ask, don't tell" policy doesn't really prevent gay soldiers from engaging in romantic relationships with other gays. It simply gives ammunition to bullies, blackmailers and homophobes in the military. I don't approve of DADT - it's a halfway political compromise that doesn't do a thing except guarantee it's the wrong answer from every perspective. The only excuse would be to buy time to do some studies of Iraq and Afghanistan to show that there were was in fact no problem, but I don't think anyone has ever looked to see either way. My guess is that gays in combat units don't matter. If it did there would already be problems showing up. Also, the resistance seems to be coming from higher-ranking guys in the US, i.e., not the ones whose lives depend on unit cohesion. If it's not a problem for the guys living on the battlefield I don't really care if some general in the Pentagon has to listen to people swish by his desk all day long. _________________________ "If they can't picture me with a knife, forcing them to strip in an alley, I don't want any part of it. It's humiliating." - windsock
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#425916 - 05/22/09 03:26 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
tattypatty Porn Jesus Registered: 01/30/08 Posts: 7599 Loc: a site known for its tolerance...	Quote: Well, if it is as black and white as you all say, why won't Obama change the policy today? Because he is a coward and full of shit. I have been trying to drive this point home with my gay and/or more liberal friends with a debate that is teetering on a flame war. It's the same reason why he was silent on gay marriage and remains so today. Their argument is "Well he just can't snap his fingers and change the laws". Correct, but as the leader of the 'free' world and a guy who ran on 'hope' and 'change' , he can at least fucking chime in. Sorry to stray, but it's getting pathetic.... _________________________ "I'll never forget the moment during the lovely Alyssa Allure's scene in 'American Bukkake' where the fellow got out of his wheel chair to ejaculate on her face. It was grotesque but had a certain frisson." -Sock
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#425917 - 05/22/09 03:33 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
cqd Porn Jesus Registered: 11/27/07 Posts: 4795	Does anyone know how countries who have compulsory military service deal with this? _________________________
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#425918 - 05/22/09 03:37 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
freestylah Porn Jesus Registered: 12/28/07 Posts: 4856 Loc: The 4th International	jrv Quote: None of the European NATO countries have engaged in anything recognizable as "combat" since WW2 - and some well before that - except Britain. They're useless as a measure of what works or doesn't when things get rough. This is by far the most stupid thing I've ever read coming from you. I invite you to 'explain' your statement to the relatives of those fallen in different conficts over the years. (Conflicts often started by the US, nonetheless.) Examples: - Iraq (twice) - Afghanistan - Somalia - Sierra Leone - Former Yugoslavia - Lebanon (1980s) And for other countries' armies not seeing combat: - France (Does Algeria ring a bell? Or Indochina?) - Britain (as you mentioned) - Turkey (interior and Iraq) - Poland (Iraq & Afghanistan) - Canada (Iraq & Afghanistan) _________________________ The only thing you got that I want, is your suffering.
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#425919 - 05/22/09 03:54 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
Coke banned by Monkey Whoremaster Registered: 06/22/07 Posts: 2656 Loc: Polekatz, Rte 43	Quote: (Conflicts often started by the US, nonetheless.) You should be clubbed like a baby seal for that crack, you ungrateful Dutch pedophile. If it weren't for America's actions in the 1940s, you'd be speaking German and living in part of a Nazi empire. If it weren't for America's actions from 1945-1989, you'd be speaking Russian and living in an authoritarian commie superstate. And if not for actions which you will one day beg America to take, your children/grandchildren will live under sharia law in the Islamic Republic of Hollandistan. I've been to your country. It's crawling with ragheads that hate you and your government and would love to kill you. They're multiplying like rats. _________________________ "You have been banned from making any new posts or sending private messages. The reason for this ban is: meh, cause i can"
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#425920 - 05/22/09 04:04 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
freestylah Porn Jesus Registered: 12/28/07 Posts: 4856 Loc: The 4th International	Hey, failure, for all you know, I could be a 'raghead' myself. _________________________ The only thing you got that I want, is your suffering.
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#425921 - 05/22/09 04:11 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
Coke banned by Monkey Whoremaster Registered: 06/22/07 Posts: 2656 Loc: Polekatz, Rte 43	I hope you are. Like I said, I've been to Holland. The ragheads there live in poverty. _________________________ "You have been banned from making any new posts or sending private messages. The reason for this ban is: meh, cause i can"
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#425922 - 05/22/09 07:16 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
JRV Porn Jesus Registered: 08/03/03 Posts: 5849 Loc: TX, USA	Quote: - France (Does Algeria ring a bell? Or Indochina?) - Britain (as you mentioned) - Turkey (interior and Iraq) - Poland (Iraq & Afghanistan) - Canada (Iraq & Afghanistan) I'm not sure I count France's actions in Indochina as even an aggressive surrender. In any case, it sure can't be used as an example of how an effective combat force works. I don't believe Turkish forces are ever deployed without a British or American unit nearby for backbone. I'm not sure about the Canadians. I may be wrong there. They don't have the Continental surrender reflex but I'm not sure they're in front-line duties in Iraq or Afghanistan. _________________________ "If they can't picture me with a knife, forcing them to strip in an alley, I don't want any part of it. It's humiliating." - windsock
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#425923 - 05/22/09 07:28 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
the unknown pervert Porn Jesus Registered: 03/22/07 Posts: 5186 Loc: Joshua Tree National Park	Quote: And liberal media?? Yeah because no Repub. has EVER lied or broken a promise..weapons of mass destruction anyone? What the Republicans did or didn't do has nothing to do with the media. For the most part Obama has stuck with the same policies Bush did and the same media that wanted to hang Bush by his testicles has spent all of 2009 (and most of 2008 for that matter) pulling Obama's pubes from their mouth. _________________________ I would eat Allie Sin's asshole until I got an emotion out of her.-Jerkules
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#425924 - 05/22/09 08:57 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
Soopergrizz Porn Fucking Master Registered: 02/23/05 Posts: 3724 Loc: Paddling my canoe in the wild	Quote: I'm not sure about the Canadians. I may be wrong there. They don't have the Continental surrender reflex but I'm not sure they're in front-line duties in Iraq or Afghanistan. Canadians are on the front lines in Afghanistan. Our former Prime Minister called bullshit on WMDs and refused to send troops to Iraq. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Iraq_War _________________________ You're all still alive?
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#425925 - 05/23/09 12:02 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
E.Y.Davis Human Garbage Registered: 04/02/09 Posts: 1541 Loc: Mississippi	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Its all bullshit. Someone's sexual preference shouldnt be an issue for anything. Once upon a time all the same moronic arguments were made against blacks in the military...you know what? Either get used to it or dont join the fucking military. Really? People used to argue against blacks in the military because of the issue of romantic relationships? No people argued that blacks would make the other soldiers uncomfortable and thus negatively affect their performance.Which is the main argument for those against gays in the military. If you are uncomfortable sharing quarters with a gay person..guess what..thats YOUR problem,not theirs. Get over it. People shouldnt be denied because of others ignorance and small mindedness. And relationship issues already happen in the military. They always have.Either closeted gay relationships,or male female. People deal. Its life. Get over it and grow up. Why are you forcing me to support a side I really don't care much about? The two arguments are not equivalent. The fact that the two arguments are not equivalent is the entire foundation of my position. You want desperately to claim that people who don't like the idea of gays in the military are uncomfortable around gay people. Is that because your position looses credibility if you admit that this is really not the problem? I'm not forcing you to do anything. I'm saying that people shouldnt be excluded from a job just because others "feel funny" around them for no other reason then how they were born. Whether thats skin color,sexual orientation,gender....doesnt matter. One persons "feelings" should NEVER trump another persons legal rights. Who said anything anywhere on here about anybody feeling funny around anybody else? You simply invented that. The reason I feel compelled to respond is that you are trying to portray my position as one of prejudice against somebody else because I don't like their sexual orientation. That is untrue and a cheap shot. I am simply curious to see if you can come up with any other argument other than "you don't like gay people, get over it, it's like with black people, you're prejudiced." I don't think you can. Therefore, you don't have any argument against my position, so I must be right. _________________________ --Some of us look for The Way in opium and some in God, some of us in whiskey and some in love. It is all the same Way and it leads nowhither.
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#425926 - 05/23/09 01:09 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
cameronkeys Gay For Pay Registered: 12/24/07 Posts: 997 Loc: FL	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Its all bullshit. Someone's sexual preference shouldnt be an issue for anything. Once upon a time all the same moronic arguments were made against blacks in the military...you know what? Either get used to it or dont join the fucking military. Really? People used to argue against blacks in the military because of the issue of romantic relationships? No people argued that blacks would make the other soldiers uncomfortable and thus negatively affect their performance.Which is the main argument for those against gays in the military. If you are uncomfortable sharing quarters with a gay person..guess what..thats YOUR problem,not theirs. Get over it. People shouldnt be denied because of others ignorance and small mindedness. And relationship issues already happen in the military. They always have.Either closeted gay relationships,or male female. People deal. Its life. Get over it and grow up. Why are you forcing me to support a side I really don't care much about? The two arguments are not equivalent. The fact that the two arguments are not equivalent is the entire foundation of my position. You want desperately to claim that people who don't like the idea of gays in the military are uncomfortable around gay people. Is that because your position looses credibility if you admit that this is really not the problem? I'm not forcing you to do anything. I'm saying that people shouldnt be excluded from a job just because others "feel funny" around them for no other reason then how they were born. Whether thats skin color,sexual orientation,gender....doesnt matter. One persons "feelings" should NEVER trump another persons legal rights. Who said anything anywhere on here about anybody feeling funny around anybody else? You simply invented that. The reason I feel compelled to respond is that you are trying to portray my position as one of prejudice against somebody else because I don't like their sexual orientation. That is untrue and a cheap shot. I am simply curious to see if you can come up with any other argument other than "you don't like gay people, get over it, it's like with black people, you're prejudiced." I don't think you can. Therefore, you don't have any argument against my position, so I must be right. There is no other argument. There are already gays in the military...always have been. The only change is that other people would know they were gay. Therefore the only argument is that others must be kept ignorant because of prejudice.Period. So they need to get over that prejudice so that others dont have to hide who they are or risk losing their job...or dont join the fucking military. Its illegal to deny someone a job in any other place because of discrimination re: sexual orientation. The military should be no different. I win. _________________________ myspace.com/pornstarcameronkeys twitter.com/cameronkeys cameronkeys.com
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#425927 - 05/23/09 02:02 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
Dick Dastardly Porn Jesus Registered: 01/25/06 Posts: 4470	Quote: I'm not forcing you to do anything. I'm saying that people shouldnt be excluded from a job just because others "feel funny" around them for no other reason then how they were born. Whether thats skin color,sexual orientation,gender....doesnt matter. One persons "feelings" should NEVER trump another persons legal rights. Fags aren't born queer, IMO, it's something they develop. To each their own, I have no problem with 'em, but I'll be damned if it's the way they were born. _________________________ Because you already yelled 'dropping prices!!!' after Red Light canned you. - Gia Jordan to Brandon Iron
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#425928 - 05/23/09 02:15 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
freestylah Porn Jesus Registered: 12/28/07 Posts: 4856 Loc: The 4th International	Corke Quote: I hope you are. Like I said, I've been to Holland. The ragheads there live in poverty. You've been to Holland? Where? Amsterdam International Airport? Or was your head 'bagged' as is standard procedure during rendition? _________________________ The only thing you got that I want, is your suffering.
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#425929 - 05/23/09 03:23 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
cameronkeys Gay For Pay Registered: 12/24/07 Posts: 997 Loc: FL	Quote: Quote: I'm not forcing you to do anything. I'm saying that people shouldnt be excluded from a job just because others "feel funny" around them for no other reason then how they were born. Whether thats skin color,sexual orientation,gender....doesnt matter. One persons "feelings" should NEVER trump another persons legal rights. Fags aren't born queer, IMO, it's something they develop. To each their own, I have no problem with 'em, but I'll be damned if it's the way they were born. Stew in ignorance if you must...science has proven otherwise. There are parts of the brain that are actually different. In a gay guy it will match a straight woman much more closely then it matches a straight man. Being gay isnt a choice kids. It's how some people are born. _________________________ myspace.com/pornstarcameronkeys twitter.com/cameronkeys cameronkeys.com
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#425930 - 05/23/09 06:47 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
the unknown pervert Porn Jesus Registered: 03/22/07 Posts: 5186 Loc: Joshua Tree National Park	Quote: Its illegal to deny someone a job in any other place because of discrimination re: sexual orientation. The military should be no different. I win. It's also illegal to kill people, fire artillery, be in possession of automatic weapons, etc. etc. at any other job (law enforcement excepted). The military is not like any other job. Europe was not liberated in WWII because Normandy was invaded by platoons of accountants and widget salesmen. _________________________ I would eat Allie Sin's asshole until I got an emotion out of her.-Jerkules
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#425931 - 05/23/09 06:57 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
Anonymous Unregistered	face it this is a talking point for the talking heads just to get the bible thumpers riled so they can pander to demographics....get them church going folk.....its a tragedy in a whole...just to think if all the men who left the draft and war...back in nam...could have done the same thing.....with they would.....cause there would be more women 4 me!
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#425932 - 05/23/09 07:07 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
cameronkeys Gay For Pay Registered: 12/24/07 Posts: 997 Loc: FL	Quote: Quote: Its illegal to deny someone a job in any other place because of discrimination re: sexual orientation. The military should be no different. I win. It's also illegal to kill people, fire artillery, be in possession of automatic weapons, etc. etc. at any other job (law enforcement excepted). The military is not like any other job. Europe was not liberated in WWII because Normandy was invaded by platoons of accountants and widget salesmen. I can legally take my clothes off on stage in a strip club for all customers to see. If I were to try and do that in Target,I'd be arrested.A lot of things are illegal if you dont have the specific training and/or job requirement for it. Thats not a valid argument for discrimination. And do you REALLY think there was not ONE gay guy at Normandy?? Or in WWII in general? Really??? They fought and died right next to the straight guys exactly the same. Always have. THAT is the point. There IS no argument that gays in the military would cause problems. They are already there and always have been. Any problems would come solely from ignorant,small minded bigots. Why should some people be discriminated against because others are moronic a-holes? Answer: they shouldnt. Period. _________________________ myspace.com/pornstarcameronkeys twitter.com/cameronkeys cameronkeys.com
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#425933 - 05/23/09 07:20 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
the unknown pervert Porn Jesus Registered: 03/22/07 Posts: 5186 Loc: Joshua Tree National Park	The reason I have stayed out of this thread until now is because I don't really have a stand one way or another on the issue. I can see both sides of the argument. But your post made it sound like you considered the military to be interchangeable with any other job. I would consider that to be a poor argument. The reason any other job exists is because members of the military have fought and died to defend those jobs. If the heads of the military do not consider homosexuality to be an issue and end up overturning the current regulations then fine I have no problem with that. If they do consider homosexuality to be an issue and maintain the current regulations then fine I have no issue with that either. The only situation I would have an issue with would be if the top military brass firmly believe in the latter example yet change their policy due only to political pressure and correctness. That I could not support. _________________________ I would eat Allie Sin's asshole until I got an emotion out of her.-Jerkules
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#425934 - 05/23/09 07:26 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
cameronkeys Gay For Pay Registered: 12/24/07 Posts: 997 Loc: FL	Quote: The reason I have stayed out of this thread until now is because I don't really have a stand one way or another on the issue. I can see both sides of the argument. But your post made it sound like you considered the military to be interchangeable with any other job. I would consider that to be a poor argument. The reason any other job exists is because members of the military have fought and died to defend those jobs. The military is not interchangeable with ANY job,but it is certainly not the only important job out there. Police officers,Firefighters,Doctors,etc...etc...all have exceptionally important jobs that exist to allow us to live ours more safely. The military is the only place where a qualified,trained individual doing their job perfectly risks being fired ONLY because they are gay. Sorry. Right is right and wrong is wrong. The military DEFENDS freedom from discrimination...yet suppresses it within itself? Hypocritical to say the least. _________________________ myspace.com/pornstarcameronkeys twitter.com/cameronkeys cameronkeys.com
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#425935 - 05/24/09 06:52 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
Dick Dastardly Porn Jesus Registered: 01/25/06 Posts: 4470	DERAIL: I see Cameron has a wish list (in her sig), how surprising for a whore. _________________________ Because you already yelled 'dropping prices!!!' after Red Light canned you. - Gia Jordan to Brandon Iron
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#425936 - 05/24/09 07:59 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
cameronkeys Gay For Pay Registered: 12/24/07 Posts: 997 Loc: FL	Quote: DERAIL: I see Cameron has a wish list (in her sig), how surprising for a whore. Hey ...if an adoring fanboi wants to shower me with love in the way of gifts..why the fuck not? Small redemption for shit like reading on and on about how a whore ruined someones life by breaking their heart/nutsack. I doubt anyone will from here because...well...yeah.. But someone asked me so I put it up there. _________________________ myspace.com/pornstarcameronkeys twitter.com/cameronkeys cameronkeys.com
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#425937 - 05/24/09 08:19 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
Gunker Porn Jesus Registered: 01/07/06 Posts: 4268 Loc: Portland	It's irrelevant as to the sexual predilection of the person piloting the drone that will bomb a suspected "enemy." As long as they press "ON" instead of emailing Coke for that day's talking points from Fox "News".... _________________________ "My people (the real Americans- descended from the original Angle-Saxon pioneers)"-Coke S.
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#425938 - 05/24/09 09:37 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
Coke banned by Monkey Whoremaster Registered: 06/22/07 Posts: 2656 Loc: Polekatz, Rte 43	Quote: It's irrelevant as to the sexual predilection of the person piloting the drone that will bomb a suspected "enemy." As long as they press "ON" instead of emailing Coke for that day's talking points from Fox "News".... Another post about me, huh Gunker? You know I'm right about everything and it eats at you. You're obsessed. You're Salieri and I'm Mozart. _________________________ "You have been banned from making any new posts or sending private messages. The reason for this ban is: meh, cause i can"
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#425939 - 05/24/09 11:03 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
JRV Porn Jesus Registered: 08/03/03 Posts: 5849 Loc: TX, USA	Quote: Police officers,Firefighters,Doctors,etc...etc...all have exceptionally important jobs that exist to allow us to live ours more safely. The question isn't "importance". The work environment we give combat troops is rather different than what firefighters or policemen face. If this isn't clear, well, it's Memorial Day, look around you today. _________________________ "If they can't picture me with a knife, forcing them to strip in an alley, I don't want any part of it. It's humiliating." - windsock
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#425940 - 05/25/09 11:06 AM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
cameronkeys Gay For Pay Registered: 12/24/07 Posts: 997 Loc: FL	Quote: Quote: Police officers,Firefighters,Doctors,etc...etc...all have exceptionally important jobs that exist to allow us to live ours more safely. The question isn't "importance". The work environment we give combat troops is rather different than what firefighters or policemen face. If this isn't clear, well, it's Memorial Day, look around you today. Still makes no difference...ignorance shouldnt trump freedom.In the military and dont like gays?Grow the fuck up and deal with it or go home. _________________________ myspace.com/pornstarcameronkeys twitter.com/cameronkeys cameronkeys.com
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#425941 - 05/25/09 11:14 AM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
cqd Porn Jesus Registered: 11/27/07 Posts: 4795	I thought one of the aspects of military service was that even if you don't like things you can't "grow up and go home". It's not an option. _________________________
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#425942 - 05/25/09 11:40 AM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
cameronkeys Gay For Pay Registered: 12/24/07 Posts: 997 Loc: FL	Quote: I thought one of the aspects of military service was that even if you don't like things you can't "grow up and go home". It's not an option. Unless you are gay. Then you can go home...whether you want to or not. Or..we dont have a draft..if you are THAT bothered by fighting alongside gays..dont join the military in the first place. I'd like to see ONE logical defense against repealing DADT that doesnt involve ignorance and homophobia....go ahead...I'll wait.. _________________________ myspace.com/pornstarcameronkeys twitter.com/cameronkeys cameronkeys.com
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#425943 - 05/25/09 12:03 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
electrostatic Porn Jesus Registered: 08/16/08 Posts: 4257 Loc: Counting Kisses	Quote: Quote: DERAIL: I see Cameron has a wish list (in her sig), how surprising for a whore. Hey ...if an adoring fanboi wants to shower me with love in the way of gifts..why the fuck not? Small redemption for shit like reading on and on about how a whore ruined someones life by breaking their heart/nutsack. His life isn't ruined, he got out alive. He might be a little wounded but us youngsters recover quickly, YOU know... I can't believe people have those lists, they seem desperate. I didn't even know they what they were. Quote: I doubt anyone will from here because...well...yeah.. But someone asked me so I put it up there. spill... PS. You have fanbois? OMG you should post their PM's! .... Oh yeah, blahblahblah, gays are rad! + = _________________________ "Nature already created the perfect dishwasher....its called a woman." - Fiend
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#425944 - 05/25/09 12:08 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
cameronkeys Gay For Pay Registered: 12/24/07 Posts: 997 Loc: FL	Quote: Quote: Quote: DERAIL: I see Cameron has a wish list (in her sig), how surprising for a whore. Hey ...if an adoring fanboi wants to shower me with love in the way of gifts..why the fuck not? Small redemption for shit like reading on and on about how a whore ruined someones life by breaking their heart/nutsack. His life isn't ruined, he got out alive. He might be a little wounded but us youngsters recover quickly, YOU know... I can't believe people have those lists, they seem desperate. I didn't even know they what they were. Quote: I doubt anyone will from here because...well...yeah.. But someone asked me so I put it up there. spill... PS. You have fanbois? OMG you should post their PM's! .... Oh yeah, blahblahblah, gays are rad! + = He may have gotten out alive but everyone has to hear him whining about "Ray Ray" for...how long now? Bleh And lol...they messaged me through my myspace,not here. And I'm not posting the PM's! Might ruin my chances of gettin' some swag! lol Fanbois are cute _________________________ myspace.com/pornstarcameronkeys twitter.com/cameronkeys cameronkeys.com
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#425945 - 05/25/09 12:24 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
Crocodile Pervert Registered: 12/26/07 Posts: 2056	Yea, Cameron is cruel and merciless. She simply ignored my fanboi PM. Not even generic "thanks sweety". A part of my soul died that day. _________________________ "If you keep making fun of me, I might just get pissed and not post on here anymore. Start taking me seriously. I'm a student now" Fatja
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#425946 - 05/25/09 12:28 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
cameronkeys Gay For Pay Registered: 12/24/07 Posts: 997 Loc: FL	Quote: Yea, Cameron is cruel and merciless. She simply ignored my fanboi PM. Not even generic "thanks sweety". A part of my soul died that day. You have a soul? _________________________ myspace.com/pornstarcameronkeys twitter.com/cameronkeys cameronkeys.com
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#425947 - 05/25/09 12:34 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
Crocodile Pervert Registered: 12/26/07 Posts: 2056	Not anymore...you just managed to kill the last remaining part of it. _________________________ "If you keep making fun of me, I might just get pissed and not post on here anymore. Start taking me seriously. I'm a student now" Fatja
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#425948 - 05/25/09 12:38 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
cameronkeys Gay For Pay Registered: 12/24/07 Posts: 997 Loc: FL	Quote: Not anymore...you just managed to kill the last remaining part of it. sweet! Cameron...Killer of Souls..muah ha ha ha ha Sounds like an Austin Powers villian! _________________________ myspace.com/pornstarcameronkeys twitter.com/cameronkeys cameronkeys.com
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#425949 - 05/25/09 12:48 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
freestylah Porn Jesus Registered: 12/28/07 Posts: 4856 Loc: The 4th International	cameroon keys Quote: He may have gotten out alive but everyone has to hear him whining about "Ray Ray" for...how long now? Bleh You don't have to "hear him whining" at all. You are totally allowed to skip his posts or even complete threads if you want to. You won't notice it in the number of gifts you receive or the number of scenes you're booked for. If this solution isn't to your liking, you can also choose to stay away from the board. And reading from you with regards to whining is rather rich, don't you think? _________________________ The only thing you got that I want, is your suffering.
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#425950 - 05/25/09 12:56 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
Crocodile Pervert Registered: 12/26/07 Posts: 2056	Just don't try to kill Sierra Sinn's soul. Her buddy Jersey Jaxin is a haxor and can clusterfuck all your internets so bad that not even Shelley Lubben's prayer for "total restoration of my web site, email and myspace." will help you. _________________________ "If you keep making fun of me, I might just get pissed and not post on here anymore. Start taking me seriously. I'm a student now" Fatja
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#425951 - 05/25/09 12:57 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
cameronkeys Gay For Pay Registered: 12/24/07 Posts: 997 Loc: FL	Quote: cameroon keys Quote: He may have gotten out alive but everyone has to hear him whining about "Ray Ray" for...how long now? Bleh You don't have to "hear him whining" at all. You are totally allowed to skip his posts or even complete threads if you want to. You won't notice it in the number of gifts you receive or the number of scenes you're booked for. If this solution isn't to your liking, you can also choose to stay away from the board. And reading from you with regards to whining is rather rich, don't you think? a) you spelled my name wrong..way to go! b)I dont usually read those threads..but it sneaks into others and c)I dont whine. Thats weak. _________________________ myspace.com/pornstarcameronkeys twitter.com/cameronkeys cameronkeys.com
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#425952 - 05/25/09 01:54 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
electrostatic Porn Jesus Registered: 08/16/08 Posts: 4257 Loc: Counting Kisses	Carmen Kees said: Quote: He may have gotten out alive but everyone has to hear him whining about "Ray Ray" for...how long now? Bleh I wasn't aware everyone HAD to... I was thinking more along the lines of "being there" for our fellow XPT poster... But IIRC, you also said that everyone who lives in the projects is ghetto. I am going to be a trendyfag and 'assume' that you have met everyone who lives in the projects... Quote: And lol...they messaged me through my myspace,not here. And I'm not posting the PM's! Might ruin my chances of gettin' some swag! lol Fanbois are cute Because "swag" is the new "passion"... Good luck... @ Croc. _________________________ "Nature already created the perfect dishwasher....its called a woman." - Fiend
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#425953 - 05/25/09 01:57 PM Re: Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
Crocodile Pervert Registered: 12/26/07 Posts: 2056	Just a bunch of old XPT memes Electro _________________________ "If you keep making fun of me, I might just get pissed and not post on here anymore. Start taking me seriously. I'm a student now" Fatja
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