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#425854 - 05/20/09 06:45 PM
Do Americans Really Give a Shit About....
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/30/08
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Homos in the service? Seriously, this shit is would be laughable if it wasn't so fucking pathetic. I'd especially like to hear from any posters who have served. The comments at the bottom of this article are pretty fucking sad.... http://www.military.com/news/article/af-boots-decorated-pilot-for-being-gay.html?col=1186032310810
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#425855 - 05/20/09 07:11 PM
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Whoremaster
Registered: 06/22/07
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Odumba could have gotten rid of "don't ask, don't tell" on his first day in office. Opps! Another broken promise, just like that shit about closing Gitmo. He didn't know what he was talking about and would have said anything to get elected.
In truth, almost no one gets kicked out under the policy. It's a way to keep people from going too far and being overly flamboyant, which would be disruptive. Otherwise, they might have to give homos their own showers and bathrooms, which would become like highway reststops.
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#425857 - 05/20/09 07:26 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
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It will be interesting to see who laughs in 50 years once the aberrant minorities have been given equal rights. I'm not referring to the negroes who will be insignificant as a minority by that time but the fags.
I think you could give a fag couple control of the country right now and they would clean the place up like they do all the bed and breakfasts in Key West but it wouldn't last.
Thankfully, I'll be dead before then.
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#425858 - 05/20/09 07:28 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 03/07/06
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The only people that give a shit about gays in the military are homophobes and Christians. It just so happens that the military is full of each.
But of course Coke had to get his facts completely wrong again. What a shocker!!!
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#425861 - 05/20/09 08:42 PM
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 717
Loc: Off the mortal coil
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It looks like it is OK to waterboard prisoners, but if you are gay you are done. What type of moral back spin is that?
That is why "military intelligence" is truly an oxymoron.
CIA!=military.
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#425864 - 05/20/09 10:53 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/30/08
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Haaaaaaaa When Jesse Ventura was talking about being held upside down, barely able to breathe, with snot shooting out of his nose, all I could think of was Max bending those girls over the couches and throat fucking them.
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#425865 - 05/20/09 11:17 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 04/02/09
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I am a veteran. I'm not crazy about the idea of allowing openly gay people in the military, but don't care enough to get too worked up about it. I'm not a very naive person, so I am aware that they have always been there and will always be there.
Gay marriage is a whole different thing.
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#425866 - 05/21/09 04:16 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/25/06
Posts: 4470
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I am a veteran. I'm not crazy about the idea of allowing openly gay people in the military, but don't care enough to get too worked up about it. I'm not a very naive person, so I am aware that they have always been there and will always be there.
Gay marriage is a whole different thing.
Does the idea of fags in the military make you paranoid to believe that you're unsafe during shower time or something?
And what about gay marriage? Please, tell us your feelings. Seriously, what's the big fucking deal, we allow conservative jerkoffs to put up anti-Abortion & "God is coming" signs on interstate billboards in Iowa & Kansas, but two homos getting hitched is somehow offensive to people?
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#425867 - 05/21/09 07:33 AM
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Stormy's Lawyer
Registered: 04/12/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Under a bridge
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We can't llow dem queerosexuals rights to our mitary secrets.... JK..I am all for gays to have equal rights...since well im bi XD 
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#425869 - 05/21/09 09:23 AM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 09/07/03
Posts: 565
Loc: State of Moral Decay
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In truth, almost no one gets kicked out under the policy. It's a way to keep people from going too far
It's also a super-handy excuse for the military to dole out punishment on certain recruits when they can't prove a charge of something else.
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#425870 - 05/21/09 09:45 AM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 04/02/09
Posts: 1541
Loc: Mississippi
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I am a veteran. I'm not crazy about the idea of allowing openly gay people in the military, but don't care enough to get too worked up about it. I'm not a very naive person, so I am aware that they have always been there and will always be there.
Gay marriage is a whole different thing.
Does the idea of fags in the military make you paranoid to believe that you're unsafe during shower time or something?
And what about gay marriage? Please, tell us your feelings. Seriously, what's the big fucking deal, we allow conservative jerkoffs to put up anti-Abortion & "God is coming" signs on interstate billboards in Iowa & Kansas, but two homos getting hitched is somehow offensive to people?
Well since you asked, I will tell you. But are you sure you don't want to go ahead and continue to assume you already know the answers?
As I said in my post, it isn't really a very strong opposition. I don't much care for women in the military for the same reasons, but am just as dispassionate since it really boils down to a question of living in a fantasy world or living in the real world.
In the perfect world, I think that the military should be made up of heterosexual guys who could spend time together and bond closely, but not develop any sort of physical or romantic relationship. It really isn't about any personal dislike or fear or homophobia. In fact it really isn't about homosexuality at all since I feel just about the same way towards the idea of women in the military. I can't say I get too worked up about either though.
As far as gay marriage, like I said, I feel differently about that: I am all for it and do have strong feelings that it is the right thing for society to do. Uhh, but you already knew that, right?
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#425871 - 05/21/09 10:02 AM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 04/02/09
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Loc: Mississippi
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After all, can anybody imagine what would happen to a combat unit if somebody like Eric had a gay relationship with another man in the unit who "broke up with him" like Bree Olsen did? Could anybody imagine what it would be like to be another guy in the unit with that drama going on around you while out on combat deployment?
Eric, your behaviour in this forum is the perfect example of why I don't think it is a good idea to have romantic relationships in the military whether it is between 2 men or a man and a woman.
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#425873 - 05/21/09 10:55 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/25/06
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And I'm the one who knows all the answers? Ahem, I see... FWIW putz, we weren't dating - there was no break up. You're obviously seeing more into it than I did, because you know all the answers. It was a trust issue between friends, but since your another newb shithead in an attempt to get himself recognized by hogpiling on some ancient bandwagon, I'll pardon you this time around. From here on out, I'll just lump you into the category of ignorant asswipe who only hears what he wants to hear. 
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#425875 - 05/21/09 03:04 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 12/24/07
Posts: 997
Loc: FL
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Its all bullshit. Someone's sexual preference shouldnt be an issue for anything. Once upon a time all the same moronic arguments were made against blacks in the military...you know what? Either get used to it or dont join the fucking military. Who someone likes to fuck has NO affect on how they can do their job. As long as they pass all the same entrance requirements,they should have the same rights.
Same thing for marriage,adoption,etc...WTF business is it of anyone else's?? STFU and focus on your own fucked up lives. If 2 people can meet and get married in a drunken stupor in Vegas..then a committed,loving gay cpl should be able to as well.
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#425878 - 05/21/09 03:46 PM
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Porn Fucking Master
Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 3509
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I'm indifferent to the whole subject.
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#425879 - 05/21/09 03:54 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/27/07
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I don't care about gays in the military. I'm shocked anyone wants that job to begin with. The military should be happy that anyone is willing to enlist.
I remember when I turned 18 and recruiters started bothering me to join. They were so desperate for people that even when I explained I was a Canadian they still wanted me to fill out the paperwork.
(if that was a little confusing I am a dual citizen)
Note to Americans who join the military, chicken out, then come to Canada as "war resistors": Please take some responsibility for your actions, it's a volunteer army, you signed up, deal with it.
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#425884 - 05/21/09 05:55 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 04/02/09
Posts: 1541
Loc: Mississippi
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And I'm the one who knows all the answers? Ahem, I see...
FWIW putz, we weren't dating - there was no break up. You're obviously seeing more into it than I did, because you know all the answers.
It was a trust issue between friends, but since your another newb shithead in an attempt to get himself recognized by hogpiling on some ancient bandwagon, I'll pardon you this time around. From here on out, I'll just lump you into the category of ignorant asswipe who only hears what he wants to hear.
Oh my, you really think the point of my post was to accurately characterize the nature of your relationship with Bree Olsen???
Listen, I know this isn't exactly the Dept of English Lit. at Yale, but I really expected you could have gotten the point I was trying to make.
By the way, I'm not "piling on". I have even taken your side on other posts regarding this very issue, Eric.
Everybody has a right to act retarded and spaz out after they get dumped, but that shit doesn't belong in a military unit.
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#425886 - 05/21/09 07:24 PM
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Porn Icon
Registered: 02/04/05
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that Armies, Navies, militias, lynch mobs, and Klans have always had at least their fair share of gays amongst them, because that's where zee bois are, obviously.  That is all I have to say on the matter.
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#425889 - 05/21/09 09:02 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 12/24/07
Posts: 997
Loc: FL
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So all single parents should immediately give their kids away?
Straw man
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Plenty of kids are raised just fine by same sex cpls..and plenty more are neglected and abused by hetero cpls.
True. However, with all other conditions equal, heterosexual couples are better adoptive parents because the adoptive family environment is similar to the biological environment.
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I'd much rather a kid get adopted by a loving gay cpl then languish in the hell that is the system.
Me too. Your argument, however, is a classic example of false dilemma. In reality, people who are interested in adopting a kid often wait YEARS before a suitable child is available.
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Too many kids need homes to deny good ones because of what genitalia they both have.
Oh come on, Cameron! Men and women differ in many ways, it's not just about their sex organs.
People wait because of red tape.Or because they want a very specific child(infant,white,blue eyes,etc...etc...)Not because there arent plenty of children who need homes.
If a gay cpl meets all the other requirements..and then some since many gay cpls are willing to take older children,children with special needs,etc..that nobody else wants...then they should be allowed to adopt like anyone else. It isnt like a child ONLY gets male or female influences at home. A loving,responsible home with a same sex cpl is still a loving,responsible home. Just because a cpl is hetero doesnt mean they are the best parents.
The decision should be based solely on who can provide a secure loving home. It should have nothing to do with sexual orientation. Hell...singles can adopt and thats not a traditional mom/dad home. So why is one parent better then 2 same sex parents???
Its a stupid argument based on ignorance and religion. Meanwhile...the kids sitting in misery in shitty foster homes or institutions are the ones who are suffering.
Not to mention that adoption in this country is WAY to difficult. I know many extremely capable cpls that would love to adopt,but cant because they havent been married the requisite number of years..and once they are they are too old or some other BS. Which is why so many people adopt from overseas. But thats a whole other rant...
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#425893 - 05/22/09 12:52 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 5849
Loc: TX, USA
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Its all bullshit. Someone's sexual preference shouldnt be an issue for anything.
"shouldn't be" isn't the same as "never is". Just because it shouldn't be an issue doesn't mean it isn't an issue. It might be a problem, even if it shouldn't be.
The "Warrior" psychology of men in combat is complex, but it's accepted that when the shooting starts an experienced soldier isn't putting his life on the line to defend the constitution, his country, or any particular flag or slogan: he's fighting for his buddies, the others in his unit, and soldiers who don't are, at best, useless.
There is reason to be concerned that if you create a situation where mating hormones compete with the "band of brothers" drive you might hurt performance in combat severely. It's not obvious it would, but how many are you willing to see killed to test the theory, and which battles are you willing to risk losing?
Integrating blacks is not a good analog: prejudice simply isn't as big a problem to overcomes as millions of years of biological impulse might be.
I'm not familiar with any modern military integrating gays and studying carefully the impact on combat psychology (I think some European countries have integrated but with one exception I don't think they have had any meaningful combat in the last 50 years to test the changes).
The Soviets *did* use women in combat roles in WW2 but I don't know if anyone has ever studied how, what affect it had, or what lessons we might learn. It's also unlikely we're going to use Stalin's and Beria's methods of making sure everyone is agreeable to women in combat...
PS. There is an obvious comparison to be made with porn here: would you do a shoot for Falcon studios titled "Three gays and a girl?"
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#425894 - 05/22/09 01:42 AM
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Registered: 12/26/07
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JRV: Except "don't ask, don't tell" policy doesn't really prevent gay soldiers from engaging in romantic relationships with other gays. It simply gives ammunition to bullies, blackmailers and homophobes in the military.
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#425897 - 05/22/09 10:22 AM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 04/02/09
Posts: 316
Loc: Outside Daddy's new Church
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I was an officer in the service during the don't ask, don't tell era. I had at least two gay guys work for me directly. I didn't give a shit what they did after hours as long as they busted their ass for me during working hours and I knew I could depend upon them if the balloon went up.
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#425898 - 05/22/09 10:42 AM
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Whoremaster
Registered: 06/22/07
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We have to be realistic about military culture and mentality. A military's only purpose is to kill people and destroy things, not to be a social utopia.
Imagine a high school football team. Most teams probably have at least one or two closet gays. It's not an issue because they keep quiet and coaches don't discuss sex as part of their official duties. Now imagine if a pc school board butted in and said "openly gay students must now be allowed on the football team" and then flamboyant activists from the school gay club showed up for practice wearing guyliner and talking like Richard Simmons. Don't you think this would be disruptive of the team's goal (winning football games)?
"Don't ask, don't tell" is an effective compromise. What does the fact that you like men's booty holes rather than women's have to do with the job or the military's goals? Nothing. It is not unreasonable to ask ALL in the military to refrain from making an issue of or speaking about their sex lives/preferences.
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#425899 - 05/22/09 11:03 AM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 12/24/07
Posts: 997
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The problem with dont ask dont tell is that IF they are somehow found out...their military career is over. THATS whats not fair.
And if the flamboyant gays with guyliner can run,throw and tackle as well as/better then the rest...then STFU and win the game homophobes!
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#425901 - 05/22/09 11:41 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 12/28/05
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Didnt want to start a new thread, but Im just putting this here, cause obvisously there are Americans who don't give a shit about spending money. I am not a wine drinker, and I was given this as a gift today, wtf? I think Im gonna sell it on EBAY, I dont want it, I dont even know what the fuck it is: 1937 Des Lambrays, Clos de Lambrays, any wine drinkers, know if this is any good, is it worth opening or trying to sell, he just told me it's expensive and delicious, but I dont like wine. Any suggestions? 
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#425904 - 05/22/09 12:55 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 12/24/07
Posts: 997
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Thank you croc and tatty! My point exactly!
And I still have hope for Obamas promise. He's had a shit ton to deal with in the short time hes been in office so far. He has to prioritize. Not everything can be done in one fell swoop...some things will take time to work out.
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#425905 - 05/22/09 01:10 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 12/24/07
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Oh and...it happens a lot more then you might think: Gays being kicked out of military at steady rate http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/05/gays_being_kick.htmlhttp://www.logcabin.org/lcrchicago/gays_military.html : "As of June, 2007, 58 linguists fluent in Arabic have been kicked out of the military for being gay. This happened even as intelligence agencies complained about a shortage of linguists fluent in Arabic, and the military itself is desperate for Arabic translators." "Allowing openly gay service members will not hurt unit cohesion or competence. Our closest allies allow openly gay service members, including every member of NATO except Turkey. Research shows none of the countries with openly gay service members have been hurt by their non-discrimination policy. England, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and Israel are just some of the 24 nations that allow openly gay members in the military. Even South Africa allows openly gay service members. Even though many opponents predicted problems in these countries before their bans were lifted, time proved them wrong. Researchers say not a single country with openly gay service members has reported any decrease in morale, recruitment, retention or cohesion." "Furthermore, a 2006 Zogby International poll, commissioned by the Michael Palm Center, of U.S combat veterans from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, found that 75% of were comfortable working with gays and lesbians, and 68% either knew for certain or suspected there homosexual members of their own unit. Yet clearly the combat readiness of our military has not suffered with the known presence of gay troops. " "The Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy is corrupted by some people as a way of avoiding military service. Research shows, and even the military admits, that a sizable percentage of those kicked out of the armed forces for being homosexual are actually heterosexual. They use the policy like a get out of jail free card. Eliminating the policy would close this loophole." "The military wastes millions of dollars each year investigating "violations" of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy. With a huge budget deficit, this money could be better spent on projects that actually improve national defense." " The combination of personnel losses are far higher than the 600-750 people per year kicked out under DADT (#1 above). A 2007 analysis of retention data by Dr. Gary Gates of the Williams Institute at UCLA Law School, based on an academic survey of GLBT veterans, found that 19.2% admitted to voluntarily leaving the military because of the difficulties of serving under DADT. This translates to 3000-4000 people per year!! And it has been going on for 13 years. And every one of those 3000-4000 people are already paid for, trained and experienced. You simply can't replace them with a raw recruit off the street. "
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#425906 - 05/22/09 01:14 PM
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Gay For Pay
Registered: 12/24/07
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Didnt want to start a new thread, but Im just putting this here, cause obvisously there are Americans who don't give a shit about spending money. I am not a wine drinker, and I was given this as a gift today, wtf? I think Im gonna sell it on EBAY, I dont want it, I dont even know what the fuck it is:
1937 Des Lambrays, Clos de Lambrays, any wine drinkers, know if this is any good, is it worth opening or trying to sell, he just told me it's expensive and delicious, but I dont like wine.
Any suggestions?
It is a very good and VERY expensive wine. Depending on the condition,how it has been stored,etc..etc..it can go for anywhere from $2K-over $5K
Nice gift!!!!! I'll take it off your hands if you dont want it!!!! I like wine...esp vintage good wine!
I dont think you can sell alcohol on ebay,but I know there are loopholes for certain vintage bottles.
For something like that though...I'd go through a more upscale and reputable auction house like Christies if you can.
Edited by cameronkeys (05/22/09 01:18 PM)
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#425907 - 05/22/09 01:17 PM
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Well, had he spent less time robbing Chrysler creditors in brad daylight, destroying the global economy with his inane economic policies and draconian regulations he might have been able to address this issue already.
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#425910 - 05/22/09 02:36 PM
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Cameron Keys is my new XPT crush.  She pretty much owned you guys in this thread.
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#425913 - 05/22/09 02:58 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 04/02/09
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Very,very few people are kicked out for being gay
one is too many, especially if they bring special skills to the job...
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/2/25/83448.shtml
I'm going to spin you guys around on this. It's really the other way around from my experience. I had a guy come up to me two days before we deployed and said, "I can't go because I'm afraid of what might happen on deployment". He then showed me two polaroids, my eyes are still burning, of him sucking off his roomy. In the don't ask, don't tell way of doing business, at that moment, I had to send him to NIS. He was gone the next day, but he came by and thanked me and last I heard he was a bank teller in Hillcrest in SD. The other was a flamer who worked for me, was pretty senior 12+ years, then pulled the "I'm gay" card when he found out he was HIV + and wanted to spend the remaining time with his people. Unfortunately, this was in the first quarter of the aids pandemic and he died. But what I'm pointing out here is the don't ask, don't tell favored the gays as they can "opt out" when it makes sense, pleases them..... 
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#425917 - 05/22/09 03:33 PM
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Does anyone know how countries who have compulsory military service deal with this?
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#425921 - 05/22/09 04:11 PM
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I hope you are. Like I said, I've been to Holland. The ragheads there live in poverty.
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#425925 - 05/23/09 12:02 PM
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Its all bullshit. Someone's sexual preference shouldnt be an issue for anything. Once upon a time all the same moronic arguments were made against blacks in the military...you know what? Either get used to it or dont join the fucking military.
Really? People used to argue against blacks in the military because of the issue of romantic relationships?
No people argued that blacks would make the other soldiers uncomfortable and thus negatively affect their performance.Which is the main argument for those against gays in the military. If you are uncomfortable sharing quarters with a gay person..guess what..thats YOUR problem,not theirs. Get over it. People shouldnt be denied because of others ignorance and small mindedness.
And relationship issues already happen in the military. They always have.Either closeted gay relationships,or male female. People deal. Its life. Get over it and grow up.
Why are you forcing me to support a side I really don't care much about?
The two arguments are not equivalent. The fact that the two arguments are not equivalent is the entire foundation of my position.
You want desperately to claim that people who don't like the idea of gays in the military are uncomfortable around gay people. Is that because your position looses credibility if you admit that this is really not the problem?
I'm not forcing you to do anything. I'm saying that people shouldnt be excluded from a job just because others "feel funny" around them for no other reason then how they were born. Whether thats skin color,sexual orientation,gender....doesnt matter.
One persons "feelings" should NEVER trump another persons legal rights.
Who said anything anywhere on here about anybody feeling funny around anybody else? You simply invented that.
The reason I feel compelled to respond is that you are trying to portray my position as one of prejudice against somebody else because I don't like their sexual orientation. That is untrue and a cheap shot.
I am simply curious to see if you can come up with any other argument other than "you don't like gay people, get over it, it's like with black people, you're prejudiced."
I don't think you can. Therefore, you don't have any argument against my position, so I must be right.
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#425926 - 05/23/09 01:09 PM
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#425927 - 05/23/09 02:02 PM
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I'm not forcing you to do anything. I'm saying that people shouldnt be excluded from a job just because others "feel funny" around them for no other reason then how they were born. Whether thats skin color,sexual orientation,gender....doesnt matter.
One persons "feelings" should NEVER trump another persons legal rights.
Fags aren't born queer, IMO, it's something they develop. To each their own, I have no problem with 'em, but I'll be damned if it's the way they were born.
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#425931 - 05/23/09 06:57 PM
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face it this is a talking point for the talking heads just to get the bible thumpers riled so they can pander to demographics....get them church going folk.....its a tragedy in a whole...just to think if all the men who left the draft and war...back in nam...could have done the same thing.....with they would.....cause there would be more women 4 me!
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#425933 - 05/23/09 07:20 PM
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The reason I have stayed out of this thread until now is because I don't really have a stand one way or another on the issue. I can see both sides of the argument. But your post made it sound like you considered the military to be interchangeable with any other job. I would consider that to be a poor argument. The reason any other job exists is because members of the military have fought and died to defend those jobs.
If the heads of the military do not consider homosexuality to be an issue and end up overturning the current regulations then fine I have no problem with that. If they do consider homosexuality to be an issue and maintain the current regulations then fine I have no issue with that either. The only situation I would have an issue with would be if the top military brass firmly believe in the latter example yet change their policy due only to political pressure and correctness. That I could not support.
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#425935 - 05/24/09 06:52 PM
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Porn Jesus
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DERAIL: I see Cameron has a wish list (in her sig), how surprising for a whore.
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#425937 - 05/24/09 08:19 PM
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It's irrelevant as to the sexual predilection of the person piloting the drone that will bomb a suspected "enemy." As long as they press "ON" instead of emailing Coke for that day's talking points from Fox "News".... 
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#425941 - 05/25/09 11:14 AM
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I thought one of the aspects of military service was that even if you don't like things you can't "grow up and go home". It's not an option.
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#425943 - 05/25/09 12:03 PM
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#425944 - 05/25/09 12:08 PM
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#425947 - 05/25/09 12:34 PM
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Not anymore...you just managed to kill the last remaining part of it.
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#425950 - 05/25/09 12:56 PM
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Just don't try to kill Sierra Sinn's soul. Her buddy Jersey Jaxin is a haxor and can clusterfuck all your internets so bad that not even Shelley Lubben's prayer for "total restoration of my web site, email and myspace." will help you.
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#425953 - 05/25/09 01:57 PM
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Just a bunch of old XPT memes Electro
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#425957 - 05/25/09 06:24 PM
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Small redemption for shit like reading on and on about how a whore ruined someones life by breaking their heart/nutsack.
Hey, ya didn't have to read it.
Just sayin'.
And no, she didn't ruin my life, maybe my fragile feelings...for a few months. But nothing more. There's a big difference between bitching and whining. Know your role & get an education outside of spreading your legs, whore.
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I wasn't aware everyone HAD to... I was thinking more along the lines of "being there" for our fellow XPT poster...
She's not a fellow XPT poster, she's just another whore who spends her busy schedule making time to whine with us.
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#425958 - 05/25/09 07:57 PM
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Small redemption for shit like reading on and on about how a whore ruined someones life by breaking their heart/nutsack.
Hey, ya didn't have to read it.
Just sayin'.
And no, she didn't ruin my life, maybe my fragile feelings...for a few months. But nothing more. There's a big difference between bitching and whining. Know your role & get an education outside of spreading your legs, whore.
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I wasn't aware everyone HAD to... I was thinking more along the lines of "being there" for our fellow XPT poster...
She's not a fellow XPT poster, she's just another whore who spends her busy schedule making time to whine with us.
Eric you still sound really bitter.Try to relax man.I mean I don't got nothing against you and think you are a decent guy,but you got to try to lighten up for your own good. Cameron is a nice person and she deserves to have her opinions, and to tell you the truth I got to agree with alot of what she says.
I have a friend that is gay ( I can't understand the idea of getting excited over another guys hairy ass, but to each their own)he doesn't WANT to be gay.He was born that way.He wishes he could have gotten married to a nice girl and had kids.He doesn't like being different and it is a terrible cross for him to bear.Him marrying a women and having kids would be the same if you or I married another guy because that what was expected in society, even though we found it morally disgusting.
I didn't post this to piss you off, I posted this to maybe make you walk in the other guys shoes for a mile or two. All the best to you 
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#425959 - 05/25/09 08:11 PM
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Gay For Pay
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Well said wanna.
Eric...sorry someone hurt your feeling. Wah. Get over it. Everyone for the most part has an ex that broke their heart. They dont whine about it on the internet eons later and post their personal info all over for some psycho stalker to find.
Not even going to touch the education part since I have a college degree and I'm betting you...well..dont.
I'm sure your a stand up guy IRL...but you are dead wrong on the issues of homosexuals.
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#425960 - 05/25/09 08:33 PM
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Not even going to touch the education part since I have a college degree and I'm betting you...well..dont.
I'm betting that piece of paper (i.e. diploma) won't do a goddam thing for you these days, especially if they know you sucked cock for a living prior to application with them.
You're not born a homo, end of story. I don't believe in that shit, and probably never will. It's developed, but on that note, has nothing to do with how your were raised. It's probably something in one's genes, but I'll be damned if it's something that comes directly from birth.
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#425962 - 05/25/09 08:52 PM
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Not even going to touch the education part since I have a college degree and I'm betting you...well..dont.
I'm betting that piece of paper (i.e. diploma) won't do a goddam thing for you these days, especially if they know you sucked cock for a living prior to application with them.
You're not born a homo, end of story. I don't believe in that shit, and probably never will. It's developed, but on that note, has nothing to do with how your were raised. It's probably something in one's genes, but I'll be damned if it's something that comes directly from birth.
So, answer Paulina's question in this song.
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#425963 - 05/25/09 09:15 PM
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You're not born a homo, end of story. I don't believe in that shit, and probably never will. It's developed, but on that note, has nothing to do with how your were raised. It's probably something in one's genes, but I'll be damned if it's something that comes directly from birth.
Stick to Bree Olson.
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#425972 - 05/26/09 01:41 PM
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Believe whatever makes you happy...but the truth is that sexuality is not a choice.
Umm no. The truth is only what you as a person put stock into.
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#425974 - 05/26/09 02:15 PM
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Porn Jesus
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I don't believe I said it was choice or environmental, you silly cunt. You're putting words in my mouth. I said it was something you develop.
I have a half-sister who is queer, and a kid who I grew up with in upstate NY who is gay as well. Neither of them endure the hostilities you speak of, but that's not to say they don't exist (i.e. Matthew Sheppard, etc.)
When I say "genes", I don't pair that up with birth. I pair that up with something hair-trigger in their life that makes them get up one morning & say, 'I like people of the same sex'. Whether you like or support that idea, I give not a two shits.
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#425977 - 05/27/09 03:13 AM
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BTW Cameron, just out of curiosity how would you explain bisexuality?
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#425978 - 05/27/09 07:55 AM
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I would pay Cameron for lap dances, and to sit with me in a private booth for extended periods of time while I absorb her slutty hottness and we talk about filthy things, like how much she wants to come back to my hotel room so I can jerky jerk all over her boobs.... So this, along with all the other whores I have paid in my life, means that I am BUY-SEXUAL right? What do you think of my "Buy-sexuality" Cameron?  
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