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The guy's spent 2 years in prison and has had to declare bankruptcy. He's paid his debt to society. I think less of the people not willing to give him a 2nd chance than I do him. Well, that part of them anyway.

What are you guys gonna do with anyone who's spent time in prison? Just put a scarlet letter on them and never let them attempt to climb back to where they were? When you put them out on the street, you may as well tell them to just go ahead and assume a life of crime from here on out. We'll just put up with having our shit stolen.

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Absolutely not. He should not be allowed to reap the benefits a NFL career provides after what he did. Inexcusable.

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Tatty he doesn't have a "right" to an NFL roster spot.

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Absolutely not. He should not be allowed to reap the benefits a NFL career provides after what he did. Inexcusable.

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So should felons be denied jobs after serving their time etc? Should Tyson have been banned from boxing after his sentence? Is rape not as bad as dog fighting? What about Ali? A lot of Americans thought he was a treasonous motherfucker even after he served his time. And I, for one, am glad Bernard Hopkins got out and started fucking dudes up after doing his bid.

The only way he is gonna get work is if a team sees something incredible in him so I wouldn't worry.

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Someone who tortures and kills innocent animals for fun and profit should not be allowed to ........

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So your cool with felons handling the food given to children but you don't want him to play football? That doesn't make any sense does it?

He did his time, he paid his fines and suffered the consequences determined to be worthy by a court of law. Any organization that wants to hire him is within their rights and should do so. There will be social consequences like the nutjob PETA protests, but if they are willing to take the good with the bad... so be it.

Nobody has a "right" to play football. They all earn the opportunity to play based upon their athletic ability. So he has earned it. Now it's just up to the teams if they want him. Precedent has already been set for felons to play in the league if they have rehabilitated and shown remorse. The people with access to that information will make the determination.

My reason for not wanting the guy on my team has nothing to do with the felony. I just don't think he would help my team win a Superbowl. In addition I don't think the negative press that would come with signing him is worth it. Why have your backup QB be a pain in the ass?

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By my standards your are a bad person. But that's because you are a damn commie Euro. Not because you ate a steak sandwich with dead baby cow meat.

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Do you eat meat? Meat comes from dead animals and I'm not talking about animals that die of old age or other natural causes. But I guess you knew that already.

I killed animals, kill animals and will kill animals in the future. All these animals are, what you would call, innocent. (I don't think animals are innocent or guilty of anything, but that's another thing.) I enjoy my work, even though it's called torture by some people.

Does that make me a bad person, according to your standards?

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No I dont eat meat.Because I know exactly where it comes from and how it gets there.

I do not in any way agree with factory farming. So if thats what you do and you enjoy it,...yeah...you arent the best person to me and I prob wouldnt be friends with you.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Mine is that it isnt ok to torture and kill for pleasure,sport,vanity,greed or profit.

Unless its humans being killed..in which case they prob deserve it.

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Mine is that it isnt ok to torture and kill for pleasure,sport,vanity,greed or profit.

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Unless its humans being killed..in which case they prob deserve it.

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It's called 'a job'. You enjoy yours, I enjoy mine. It doesn't have anything to do with pleasure, sport, etc.

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Unless its humans being killed..in which case they prob deserve it.

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On request, me and my colleagues can offer a wide range of services in this field. Special service, special price, of course.

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I'm not torturing animals, I merely kill them. I do them a favour by ending the life-long misery they had to endure at some mass-producing factory-farm.

So, basically, I'm a great animal friend!

And looking at my wages, I can hardly call it 'profit', by the way.

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Do you kill them humanely?

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Very humanely. They don't feel a thing, when I'm done.

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I would live on the streets before I'd take a job at a slaughterhouse. Thats just me.

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If he had done all this to children instead of dogs...would your feelings be different?

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I strongly believe that a society in which dumb jocks AKA professional athletes serve as role models to millions of children is so fucked up that dog fights are the least of its worries

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Especially since a vast majority of said athletes come from homes with no fathers, momma's who have multiple baby daddy's and where crack is the solution to the majority of the problems, whether selling or smoking is the solution.

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Do you kill them humanely?

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Very humanely. They don't feel a thing, when I'm done.

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I would live on the streets before I'd take a job at a slaughterhouse. Thats just me.

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You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Did you ever live on the streets? Have you ever worked at a slaughterhouse? Try either one, and report back.

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I dont have to do either to know what I would choose.There are other options. I'm sure theres something out there you would never do under any circumstances.

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If he had done all this to children instead of dogs...would your feelings be different?

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Yes, very different. Children are human beings, animals are not.
It's not exactly a secret on here that I hold a human life in much higher respect than whatever animal you can think of. I do not hate animals, I'm indifferent to them.

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I'm indifferent to most people. Animals and children IMO are the only innocents. They dont do anything to deserve cruelty or abuse.Nothing will ever change my mind that cruelty to animals..ESPECIALLY to the disgusting level that Vick did...is EVER ok or justifiable. Thats not something I consider forgivable.

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By my standards your are a bad person. But that's because you are a damn commie Euro. Not because you ate a steak sandwich with dead baby cow meat.

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You're still the low-quality poster you used to be. Good to see some things never change.

I'm not a commie Euro. I'm not sure what you mean by it, but I'm sure the definition you cooked up in your numbed brain, is something I won't agree on.

And where did I say I ate 'a steak sandwich'?

I'm a bad person by blehhh's standards. It would've hurt if it would've been different.

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Vick tortured and killed animals for fun and profit over and over again, he didn't jaywalk.

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I'm sure theres something out there you would never do under any circumstances.

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They (animals and children) dont do anything to deserve cruelty or abuse.

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Cameron, it's really fucked up you don't believe more in 2nd chances. A lot is talked about on this board about the stigma girls have to live with when they try to get out of porn and the trouble they have landing a better job because of it (amongst other issues they have in moving on). And, the thing is, you're a porn whore. There's gonna be a day you need to ask for a 2nd chance.

Yes, you can argue you never hurt nobody, not even animals, and there shouldn't be that stigma anyway. Vick can argue he grew up in a culture where dog fighting was the status quo. He was just doing what everyone in his neighborhood had already accepted. The extenuating circumstances could be argued till no one has to agree on anything.

But, for someone who has obviously paid the price for his sins like Vick has, it shocks me you don't believe more in 2nd chances. Especially considering there's gonna come a day when you need to ask for the same.

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This is a good question. I don't have an answer to it. Yet. My initial reaction is that there is nothing that I will categorically refuse to do, but that is without giving it much thought.

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And I would expect nothing more for myself if I were to commit a crime that was as heartless and cruel as this.

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And I would expect nothing more for myself if I were to commit a crime that was as heartless and cruel as this.

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You consider it heartless and cruel. It's your opinion, by your standards. You deny some fuck a 2nd chance, because you find it cruel/heartless.

It could be that someone else (or even the majority of the people) has a different set of standards/opinion on this.

And I agree with northrop. Someday, you, just like everyone else, will need his/her second chance. I know I got mine.

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This is a good question. I don't have an answer to it. Yet. My initial reaction is that there is nothing that I will categorically refuse to do, but that is without giving it much thought.

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OK...would you rather be homeless or shot in the face(and live)? Is this a situation where you'd have to experience either to know which you'd choose?

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The original comparison was 'homeless' vs. 'working in a slaughterhouse'; now we're talking about 'homeless' vs. 'shot in the face'. That's two very different things. You're vandalizing the argument a little in this way.

Again, I haven't giving all this too much thought, as it's not really a decision I need to make.

And I can see myself choosing to be shot in the face and die. But that's beside the point.

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I think anyone with a heart would find this cruel.I worry for those who dont...If this had been children instead of dogs would you still think he deserved a second chance? Cruelty and heartless actions are the same,even if the species they are carried out on is not.

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"I think"? You mean: "I assume".

Children instead of dogs? Yes, still a second chance. It's a matter of principle for me. What went before is irrelevant to me.

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This is a good question. I don't have an answer to it. Yet. My initial reaction is that there is nothing that I will categorically refuse to do, but that is without giving it much thought.

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OK...would you rather be homeless or shot in the face(and live)? Is this a situation where you'd have to experience either to know which you'd choose?

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The original comparison was 'homeless' vs. 'working in a slaughterhouse'; now we're talking about 'homeless' vs. 'shot in the face'. That's two very different things. You're vandalizing the argument a little in this way.

Again, I haven't giving all this too much thought, as it's not really a decision I need to make.

And I can see myself choosing to be shot in the face and die. But that's beside the point.

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I think anyone with a heart would find this cruel.I worry for those who dont...If this had been children instead of dogs would you still think he deserved a second chance? Cruelty and heartless actions are the same,even if the species they are carried out on is not.

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"I think"? You mean: "I assume".

Children instead of dogs? Yes, still a second chance. It's a matter of principle for me. What went before is irrelevant to me.

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