What the hell, Tyson was apparently Knocked out in tonights fight against a big underdog.
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Its a shame.Tyson wa one of my favorite fighters growing up.He could've been the greatest heavyweight of all-time, but he met Robin Givens and Don King , and it went downhill from there,never to recover.
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Our boy knocked that fat old has-been out real good.

Well done, son!

LB.

To be honest, I don't think Danny Williams will go onto win a world title, as some people say he will.

Danny caught Tyson as the end of his career. That doesn't make Danny a world champ.

LB.

Now I guess they are saying Tyson hurt his knee or leg but I doubt that the outcome would have been different anyway.

He hurt his knee...Yeah, right. EXCUSES, EXCUSES...

LB.

Tyson won the first three rounds. He just got caught in the fourth-badly and paid the price.Even Williams said he beat a 38 yr.old Tyson,not the 21 yr.old knockout monster. A younger Tyson would've sent his head into the 5th row before the 3rd round.
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We all know that Chico, but the point is, Tyson IS a fat old stager. And that's why he was beaten.

LB.

Actually I interpreted the Brit's post-fight comments to say that Tyson can still hit very hard and is not to be taken for granted - but that he can be beaten now. The Brit had carefully studied and planned how to beat Tyson - the way he won may or may not have been lucky, but the Brit even post-fight thought Tyson could be dangerous.

Various promoter's post-fight comments makes it seem likely this is it for Tyson. Even if he does get in condition to fight again getting a meaningful purse may be hard (or so the promoter said, whatever credibility that has).

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Even if he does get in condition to fight again getting a meaningful purse may be hard (or so the promoter said, whatever credibility that has).

I think that's fair to say. You can't keep losing to guys when your a 6 to 1 favorite and expect to 1. keep getting chances for decent money bouts and 2. Even keep your allure with boxing fans. Unfortunately, the guy is through, and it's too bad, cause' I wanted to see one last horray from Tyson.

Its sad.Tyson earned 8 million,but is only keeping 2 of it.The rest is being used to get out of his 38 million dollar debt.
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2 mil´s still alotta moola.

Yeah, but I just hope he has learned his lesson about money and saves the 2 mil because after that performance I don't think he will have another multimillion dollar fight.

2 mil´s alotta moola FOR ME. I don´t give a shit about Tyson. I´m a remnant of the Ali Era.

Tyson made loads of money, but he still owes $40,000,000.

LB.

Tyson's a duhmbo.

Tyson's style doesn't work well for someone over 30, fast hands and power made him a pitbull at 20. He hasn't been remotely smart or disciplined in the ring since he was with his first trainer a decade + ago.

also, there were no guys with the body-type lennox and a few others have when tyson made his name for himself--i can't help wondering how he would have done against 6'5", 245-lb guys who weren't stiffs. he mowed people down, but that's tons of reach to give up to a guy without a glass jaw who can punch and move around.

Naw, Tyson in his prime- before Buster would have cleared the ring with Lennox and others. Tyson used to be a total package- like you said fast hands and a hard punch, he would put his whole body into his punches. What he used to do that was missing from later day Tyson was bob and weave to get in close enough to land the monster shots. He had this move where he would bob and weave in until he had a clear shot at the foe's body or head and then Kappow. He was seldom hit cleanly and didn't flail about trying to punch his way in closer. Also back then his aura was such that people were scared of him in the ring and I think a guy like Lennox would have been quaking in the ring.

I wasn't saying Lennox would win, more that I'd like to see mike in his "iron" days fight someone like that. It'd be interesting, since that breed of heavyweights just weren't around until the last 7-8 years. when I look at the division when tyson ruled it, the question seems to be "who did tyson fight?". none of his contemporaries were dangerous or outstanding in any way--that era was all about a glut of amazingly talented guys in the lower weights.

assuming it went past the first round, tyson was vulnerable to being outmuscled, clutched and grappled by guys nowhere near lewis' size or fitness level. i could see tyson winning a 2-rounder, if it went longer against a guy with that heavy a jab the size of an nfl TE with strategy and good athleticism he'd lose.

No way. Tyson's peek-a-boo defense was the best I've ever seen from a heavyweight. It was after the Michael Spinx fight that he just gave up boxing and became a slugger (a reverse evolution I've never seen before).

Tyson ended a lot of guys' careers. The cream rises to the top no matter what era, and they certainly would have been belt holders with terrific records had they not run into his buzzsaw.

Some of my co-religionists dream of 72 virgins in heaven. I'm going to be sitting back and watching Tyson fighting Ali, or Frazier, or Foreman in their prime.

The arab speaks the truth about boxing too. what is a co religonist- I thought you were a dirt worshipping heathen

Hmm, let me expand on that (I'll never pass up a chance to talk about boxing, if you can't tell). Tyson was not nearly as smart a fighter as Frazier, and of course he's as dumb as a box of rocks compared to Ali. Ali and Holmes were able to enjoy some longevity in their careers because they were smart in the ring. Tyson's proved time and time again that he doesn't have the ring smarts to make up for his deteriorating physical skills.

But you can't argue with a guy winning his first belt when he was 20 years old (the youngest ever), or unifying the belt for the first time in a decade. The heavyweight division had sucked before (probably as much as it sucks now, as hard as it is to believe) but no one had done that before. Had he not gone to jail, the 1990s could have been a fucking golden age, with Bowe, Holyfield, even Moorer competing for the belts like Frazier, Ali, Foreman and Ken Norton before.

On the other hand, I have no doubt that a 21 year old Tyson would have beat the living crap out of Holyfield had he put on the few pounds to move up to heavyweight. Dan Duva, I think it was, freely admitted that Holyfield "wasn't ready" to move up from cruiserweight, even though the two of them are more or less the same age (they were in the same Olympics trials together). You can read into that what you will, but I read it (and Boxing Illustrated read it at the time) as him being chickenshit of breaking the 200 lbs cruiserweight limit when Tyson was stalking the ring.

And everytime I looked at Lennox Lewis, I saw the shadow of Frank Bruno. His body looks soft and he's mechanical, I've always thought. He'd be a champion or #1 contender in any era but I don't buy the hype of Lewis being one of the best ever. Maybe one of the top 30, but definitely nowhere near the top 10. I simply don't think his body type would have made much difference: Tyson gave up a fairly dramatic reach advantage in every fight that I can remember.

Well, I am a mud-worshipping heathen swine, but for the purposes of a good metaphor, I was picking Islam.

The way I look at boxers is their style and ability and as much as Tyson was a dick and lost his technique- in his prime he was a force. His moves were so compact and precise in his prime that it was a pleasure to watch. I was never sold on Lennox- I will always question his heart and if he was to get in the ring with an animal like Tyson was in his prime I see him submitting to a beating rather meekly.Tyson should have never forgotten what led him to the top- training and technique because it is obvious that ability will not win the day on it's own especially as one ages. Arab what other fighters have you enjoyed watching?

Theres nothing better for fans and non-fans alike like watching a heavy weight fight with two good opponents. But you get better fighters in the lighter divisions and if your payin to see the fight you get a better bang for your buck.

As in great pure skill fighters, I used to love to watch Pernell "Sweetpea" Witiker. Even when he completely outclassed his opponent, he always made it a good show.

Supposedly, Riddick Bowe wants to come back too, now that he's out of jail. I guess he wants even worse brain damage. Even Golota, that fucking mental case, is trying to get back in on the weakest HW division in history.

As far as what boxers I've liked that are still fighting (or were recently), De La Hoya is definitely up there with the best I've seen. I would have said in 1993 that Roy Jones Jr would become one of the best fighters in history, but I'm not sure anymore. He lost something when he moved from middleweight up to light heavyweight. I also thought he'd be one of those guys that retired when they were 30--he was really only on the top of his game when he had some challenge before him, like a lot of fighters are. He gets bored in the ring easily and sometimes just reacts to whatever strategy his opponent is using.

For the last two years though I've mostly been watching live fights, local pros and prospects and amateurs. I was at the Golden Gloves last April and it was amazing, sitting in St. Andrews Gym in the old polack neighborhood in Chicago and watching these bastards fight with their heart. Most of these guys will never turn pro, much less wind up as ranked contenders, but there's such a filthy authenticity about it. There's a whole underground subculture out there among the locals, the sort of shit you normally see at racetracks or whatever. It's been a lot of fun.

Lennox definetly isn't one of the greats, more of an example of someone that size who was actually a boxer. I'll definetly concede that tyson was the most explosive fighter i've ever seen and looked like his defensive skills could be all-time good as he'd lose some of the inconsistency you'd expect any kid his age to show. The ability and talent to put together something that would have made the technical equal of the real brilliant fighters with that explosiveness nobody's come close to. After the first trainer, he was just too violent to lose for a few years, but he started to become less of a boxer and eventually someone whose skills in the ring regressed. when the other guy wasn't out cold after a few rounds, tyson panicked-this was his MO for a decade.

I don't think the 90's would have been his decade simply due to the reality that by 30, chemical help or not, everyone loses speed and explosiveness and that's what made tyson who he was. male bodies peak in terms of growth and utilization of fast-twitch muscle fibers around 25-26, and by the early 30's there's a signifigant decline.

tyson is actually, along with hagler, one of my favorite fighters and i said i could easily see him turn into a buzzsaw and end things in 2 rounds. He would have had to have had a real trainer to win a fight that went the distance, let alone avoid a tko with someone that size if they got away with using their size to lock him up and throw him around. lennox, if he was still standing after 3, is a million times harder to deal with than guys like michael spinks, who he's as good a pure boxer as but was dangerous to get within range of with that jab and could physically smother you and push you around the ring.