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My prediction: Outside of very specialized fetish sites, new porn will not exist in 5 years. I don't care how creative and innovative, how big-budget or ambitious, the next generation will never pay for porn; ever.

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I've never liked anything he's directed. He is gay and therefore doesn't understand how to make his porn appealing to straight people.

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Edit: In my opinion he's spot on when he says that the current trend of new generation of porn consumer expecting to get porn for free threatens the very survival of the industry. Obviously, you can't generate any revenue when no one wants to pay for your product.

But to say that there won't be any new porn made in 5 years is simply ridiculous. There are still many people who do pay for their porn and there always will be.

Porn isn't only commercial material. Amateur porn is out there as well. I don't see that ever going away. As technology advances and multimedia hardware becomes better and cheaper, more people will shoot their own porn and give it away for free.

Porn as a business might be doomed. If it truly is, then I say good riddance to an awful and corrupt industry. I certainly won't miss it.

Why do you think current porn industry is "awful and corrupt" Blink?

I'm loving this. You guys are getting a "Blink" edumucation ! So much for blind tolerance ehhhhhh ?????

For those who don't know what Blink is talking about, when he was an ADT poster he was the resident anti anal sex crusader.

Obviously it didn't really go over well and now he posts here and is no longer pushing that particular agenda.

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- Taking advantage of women who use illicit drugs and/or are mentally ill.

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@Blink:

I'm trying to be nice about it here but quit while you're ahead or become something other that a single issue poster.

Any kind of crusade or white hat bullshit won't end up flying very well here either.

Integrate, meet the locals but don't bother trying to crusade.

Seriously, be friendly with the people who post here.

Your arguments are weak. People who are over 18 years have the right to do whatever they want as adults. Anal porn included.

I hope you have fun here.

^^^ The atheist / agnostic in me especially likes how she capitalizes "Him" as though it's a proper noun or something important, lol.

And no, you're probably NOT reading too much into it. Roxy/Shelley is a washed up ex-whore who barely did 12 films in her short career, got hooked on drugs like many of her peers back in the day, and blames the industry for her shortcomings & fucked up life. Porn is evil, Jesus is her savior, and he will save us all...blah, blah, blah.

^ That's not surprising around here. I don't care what you guys think about me. I already know that I have controversial opinions that are better suited to the anti-porn crowd. Yet I still like hardcore porn, and I don't want it to be eliminated nor severely limited -- only reformed. And, as has been demonstrated with Lubben, some of the anti-porn people have views or motives more extreme than I will accept.

I just think that Max won't learn anything unless he's given a little "eye for an eye" justice. Taxpayers are paying for his apparently pleasant stay in prison. Regardless of how and why he got there, he is there, and he should learn something worthwhile from it. But I will allow the possibility that he already has (he's lost his alcohol addiction and claims he'll "emerge from this prison a better man").

Anyway, I'll agree with you that this discussion is getting old.

if a pornwhore take 13 inch dicks up her ass every other day, than she deserves anal wreckage. dumb hoes

i mean don't get me wrong i will rub my pussy watching dumb bitches getting their shit hole and guts plowed, because watching hoes hurt is hot!

^ Someone didn't read through this thread nor click my sig link.

redgoat, here's a very good thread at ADT that is worth reading through: Rectal injuries in the business?

Noteworthy content includes:
- Me wasting a lot of time and effort
- Some links to anecdotes from PWs about anorectal injuries
- Several people making (unfortunately) unsubstantiated claims about such injuries being common
- Michael/pornlaw saying "Anal injuries can be determined to be a 100% disability in California and could be very costly to studios if claims are made." (Does that still apply? He also predicted "a slow down in production of [rough anal sex] in the future" due to that.)

So you are on some kind of mission to turn porn into a yawnfest? Why?

Fattorosi is a moron, he's constantly trying to find his Jane Roe.

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He's still a lawyer. Is what he claimed true or not? Don't try to use ad hominem arguments.

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Obviously not. Had the porn companies been really afraid of being sued, your little crusade would have been already over, amirite?

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my position that the porn industry has problems that need to be addressed.

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Indeed, porn industry suffers from many serious problems. Many porn consumers(and the number is growing fast) get all their porn for free, often using illegal means which has devastating effect on porn companies' revenue and their bottom line. According to the insiders posting on ADT, the average gonzo title sells only around 800 DVDs. Whores are still being getting payed way too much. There is no clear definition of what constitutes "obsenity" and all porn producers can be targeted by the authorities as a result. Almost everything has been done already and the industry lacks directors able to bring fresh ideas on the table.

However, your obsession with buggery is only your personal problem.

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Are porn performers in Cali now considered employees instead of contractors, therefore enabling them to make worker's compensation claims?

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California ruled that performers in mainstream films are employees when it comes to worker's comp and worker's safety. It is clear that such a ruling would be extended to California's porn industry.

Here is California's Division of Occupational Safety and Health's current message to porn workers and producers [defacto employers]:

http://www.dir.ca.gov/DOSH/AdultFilmIndustry.html

As noted in the above link:

"Even workers who are paid as independent contractors may be considered employees under the law. The Division of Labor Standards Enforcement (DLSE) provides guidance for determining whether someone is an independent contractor. Although determinations about whether a person is an employee or an independent contractor are made based on the circumstances of each case, an employer/employee relationship has been found in similar circumstances, including in the mainstream film industry and exotic dance establishments."

^ Aha. Thanks for the info.

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Why the fuck isnt this trolling whore banned already.

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I realize you haven't been around here long, so I'll explain something to you. You don't get banned for this. Blink might or might not be your favourite poster, but he doesn't do anything against board rules. So, no banning.

Btw, calling for a banning is very ADT-ish; maybe you should have a long and good look over there? In my opinion, your Nazi-mentality fits better with Gestapo-Stef and her following.

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Meh. Fatman beat me to it.

And a HUGE THANKS to the Division of Occupational Safety and Health for stepping up to the plate on this one!! Fucking made my day!!!

Division of Occupational Safety and Health (DOSH)
Vital information for workers and employers in the adult film industry A recent cluster of HIV infections in the adult film industry in Southern California has drawn attention to health hazards in these work places.

Workers in this industry need to know there are laws written to protect them from injury and illness on the job, and where to go for help if their employer doesn't follow those laws. Employers in the adult film industry must know how to protect their employees from health and safety hazards and understand the consequences of failing to comply with state regulations.



Click here for information on how to file a complaint with Cal/OSHA if you work in the adult film industry.

The California Occupational Safety and Health Act requires employers to provide a safe and healthful workplace for employees, and pay the costs of their health and safety program. This same act gives Cal/OSHA jurisdiction over virtually all private employers in California, including employers in the adult film industry. Employers must comply with all relevant regulations, which are contained in Title 8 of the California Code of Regulations.

In the adult film industry, these requirements include:

Following a written safety and health program, known as an injury and illness prevention program, or IIPP. In simple terms, an IIPP identifies potential hazards specific to the workplace and ways to protect workers from those hazards. Click here to view Cal/OSHA's model IIPP for employers with intermittent workers
Training employees in health and safety hazards
Protecting employees from electrical hazards, such as those associated with special lighting
Protecting employees from hazards associated with bloodborne pathogens
Providing sanitation facilities
Not discriminating against employees who complain about safety and health conditions.
Health hazards in the adult film industry
In addition to general health and safety hazards associated with film and video production, workers in the adult film industry face particular hazards because actors perform sex acts in the course of making the films or videos. Many diseases can be transmitted through blood, semen, vaginal fluid and fecal material, or by mucous membrane contact.

One important group of diseases is those caused by bloodborne pathogens, including HIV, hepatitis B and hepatitis C. In addition to actors, employees in this industry at risk of becoming infected include people who clean up after scenes and people who assist in developing scenes, whether or not they are shown on film. If any sharps, such as razor blades or wires, are used (for shaving, piercing, etc.), they pose a particular risk for spreading infection because they can puncture the skin.

Other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) are not considered bloodborne pathogens, but can be transmitted through contact with mucous membranes, semen, vaginal fluids or feces.

Bloodborne pathogens
The Cal/OSHA bloodborne pathogens standard requires employers to protect workers from serious diseases including HIV, hepatitis B and hepatitis C, which can be transmitted through exposure to blood and other potentially infectious materials. The major requirements of this standard include:

Controlling exposures
Personal protective equipment
Hepatitis B vaccine
Confidential medical record
Procedures for exposure incidents
Training
Controlling exposures
The bloodborne pathogens standard requires employers to use feasible engineering and work practice controls to protect workers from coming into contact with blood or other disease-carrying body fluids (referred to in the standard as "other potentially infectious material", or "OPIM"). Semen and vaginal fluid are always considered OPIM. Any other body fluid is considered OPIM if it’s visibly contaminated with blood. Saliva is considered OPIM in connection with dental procedures because these procedures routinely cause saliva to be contaminated with blood.

The kind of contact prohibited by the standard is contact between skin or mucous membranes and blood or OPIM.

The methods an employer will use to protect employees from contact with blood or OPIM must be spelled out in detail in a written exposure control plan, which is described in the bloodborne pathogens standard.

The bloodborne pathogens standard is built on the rule of universal precautions. This means blood or OPIM is always treated as hazardous, no matter who the source is. This is important because the available testing methods do not always guarantee that disease will be detected. This is particularly true right after a person has become infected. Depending on the test and the disease, it may take anywhere from two weeks to six months to be able to detect an infection. There is also a risk of "false negative" results, particularly if tests have not been properly administered, or if specimens have not been properly stored. Also, many bloodborne diseases are not routinely tested for.

Examples of engineering and work practice controls used in the adult film industry include:

Simulation of sex acts using acting, production and post-production techniques
Ejaculation outside the partner's body
Use of barriers, which protect the partner from contact with semen, vaginal fluids, mucous membranes, etc. Examples of barriers include condoms and dental dams (Condoms and dental dams can also be considered personal protective equipment for the partner who uses them)
Plastic and other disposable materials to clean up sets
Sharps containers for disposal of any blades, wires or broken glass.
Personal protective equipment
If, after using all practical engineering and work practice controls, workers are still exposed to hazards, employers must provide, and ensure employees use, appropriate personal protective equipment. Personal protective equipment can include:

Condoms
Dental dams
Gloves
Eye protection.
To learn more about safer sex, click here

Note: Cal/OSHA regulations do not require these barriers or personal protective equipment to be visible in the final product, and producers are free to use production and post-production editing techniques to remove them from the image.

Hepatitis B vaccine

Employers in this industry must provide the hepatitis B vaccine series to employees who may be exposed to blood, semen, vaginal fluid or OPIM. This series consists of three shots, generally administered into the arm muscle, over a period of six months. About one or two months after the third shot, the healthcare provider will draw blood to ensure the employee has developed a strong enough immune response (antibody titer, which refers to the concentration of antibodies in the blood) to protect against infection. In some cases the healthcare provider will recommend an additional series of shots. To learn more about the hepatitis B vaccine, click here.

Confidential medical record

Every employer covered by this standard must ensure that a medical record is maintained for each employee, which must be kept confidential.

Procedures for exposure incidents

If an employee has unprotected contact with someone else's blood, semen, vaginal fluid, or OPIM, the employer must provide them with a medical evaluation and follow up [5193 (f)] at no cost to the employee. If the source individual consents, he or she can be tested, and the results can be disclosed to the exposed employee, but that employee must be informed of requirements to keep the person's identity and infection status confidential.

If there is reason to believe a person has been exposed to HIV, the doctor may recommend the person be put on drugs to prevent infection (post-exposure prophylaxis, or PEP), such as AZT. If there is reason to believe a person has been exposed to hepatitis B, and has not been completely vaccinated, the doctor may recommend hepatitis B immunoglobulin, and may start the vaccine series. There is currently no post-exposure treatment recommended for hepatitis C.

To read more about recommendations for PEP click here

Training

Employers must provide each employee with training about bloodborne pathogens, including how they can protect themselves against infection and what to do if they are exposed.



Other diseases
Many other diseases can be transmitted through sexual contact (sexually transmitted diseases, or STDs). Examples of STDs that are not considered bloodborne include:

Human papilloma virus (warts)
Herpes virus
Bacterial vaginosis
Chlamydia (may cause pelvic inflammatory disease)
Gonorrhea
Hepatitis A (oral contact with feces).
In general, the use of barriers such as condoms and dental dams and, when necessary, protection of the eyes, nose, and mouth, will help prevent these infections, as well as preventing infection with bloodborne pathogens. Employers are required to have written procedures for preventing disease transmission.


Employer/employee status
Currently, some workers in the adult film industry are paid as employees (they get a paycheck with taxes and other deductions) and some are paid as independent contractors (they get a 1099 at the end of the year). Even workers who are paid as independent contractors may be considered employees under the law. The Division of Labor Standards Enforcement (DLSE) provides guidance for determining whether someone is an independent contractor. Although determinations about whether a person is an employee or an independent contractor are made based on the circumstances of each case, an employer/employee relationship has been found in similar circumstances, including in the mainstream film industry and exotic dance establishments.

Where to go for help
Employees who believe their employer is not complying with the law can file a complaint with Cal/OSHA. The name of any person who submits a complaint to Cal/OSHA is kept confidential. To file a complaint related to hazards in the adult film industry, call (213) 237-9958.

Upon receiving a health or safety complaint, a Cal/OSHA inspector will visit the worksite or employer's office and investigate the working conditions. Citations may be issued, which include a requirement to fix the problem (abatement) and may also require the employer to pay a civil penalty. For general information on the Cal/OSHA enforcement program click here.
It is illegal for employers to retaliate or otherwise discriminate against workers who complain about unsafe working conditions. Employees who believe they've been discriminated against for complaining about an unsafe condition can file a complaint with DLSE.

Workers in the adult film industry can contact the Los Angeles County Department of Health Services STD branch for STD information, testing and treatment.

Employers can get free assistance in evaluating hazards and developing an appropriate health and safety program by contacting the Cal/OSHA Consultation Service. To request an on-site consultation visit, call (213) 237-9958.

Links:
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)

CDC "Exposure to Blood" publication

CDC publication on post-exposure treatment for occupational exposure to HIV, HBV, HCV

Hepatitis B vaccine (HBV) info sheet

Information on STDs from the CDC

Male latex condoms and sexually transmitted diseases

University of California at San Francisco (UCSF) Center for AIDS Prevention Studies HIV prevention fact sheets

UCSF publication on sex workers and HIV

Facts from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration about condoms and STDs

There ya go Blink. Support from Desi ! Comforting huh ?

Desi,

I didn't provide the DOSH link, and pasting the entirety of the page here was unnecessary. Also, I sent you a PM about your post at ADT; you missed my explanation about why I was deactivated there the first time (back on page 1 of this thread).

Anyway, thank you for the kind words. I know that the porn industry has problems, but I don't think that the blame can be placed solely upon the insiders. This is partly a societal problem as well. Porn fans are demanding more decadent content. Some people become addicted to porn and their tastes can become more extreme over time. There are also other possible explanations.

I should know, because my porn tastes have changed over the years. I used to find softcore stills alone more than adequate; nowadays, I typically need to watch hardcore videos to be satisfied. Even so, I seem to be unusual in that my tastes have actually become less extreme. I once liked what I now oppose, and I attribute that primarily to ignorance. That is what I'm working against, and I've been labeled as being anti-porn and/or having an agenda (among other things) as a result.

As for Lubben, I haven't changed my view of her. I still think that it would be a mistake to support her as long as she aims to eliminate porn entirely. I'm trying to take the moderate path because there are entirely too many extremists among both porn supporters and people who have issues with porn for any number of reasons.

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I should know, because my porn tastes have changed over the years. I used to find softcore stills alone more than adequate; nowadays, I typically need to watch hardcore videos to be satisfied. Even so, I seem to be unusual in that my tastes have actually become less extreme. I once liked what I now oppose, and I attribute that primarily to ignorance. That is what I'm working against, and I've been labeled as being anti-porn and/or having an agenda (among other things) as a result.

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I have no problem with you and/or the content of your posts, but the (somewhat hidden) projection of your own 'ignorance' upon the general porn viewer doesn't win you any points in my book. Your crusade seems to be driven by the anger caused by the acceptance of your own ignorance.

Um, Desi. I posted the DOSH link, not Blink.

The fact that I knew about it, and YOU DIDN'T is kind of scary.

And, it isn't all that new. Pornlaw's been talking about this for as long as I've been on this board. That's like 3 years!

I'm not in porn. I don't produce porn.

My nebulous connection with the industry is that I "share" porn [otherwise known as stealing], and I post too much on this porn board.

Since I used to be a union delegate and local president, and later an HR person for CA employees, the labor issues of this interest me.


And, your hero Shelley can go DIE. Adults make choices for adult reasons, and these choices have adult consequences. Until she has her alleged "victims" accept responsibility for their own choices, she can go choke on her daddy's rancid dick.








In any case ... how's Elli???