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#421932 - 05/11/09 06:23 PM
Re: Another heartwarming story from Florida
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Human Garbage
Registered: 04/02/09
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Let me take this a step further...
What if by some miracle of modern science or magic (just for the sake of argument) you could be 100% absolutely certain that this guy would never again commit any crime whatsoever. Not even jaywalking. He is no longer a threat to society, he will never again hurt anybody. Since he no longer needs to be segregated from society should he be let free? Do you see what I am getting at? Shouldn't there be a component of punishment? Is everything just about rehabilitation or protecting society, isn't there any room for being personally responsible for your actions?
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#421933 - 05/11/09 07:20 PM
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Registered: 07/15/05
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The phrases "mental illness" and "legally insane" have specific definitions and we don't each get to individually decide for ourselves what they mean. Just because you think killing a child defines legally insane does not make it so.
That's what the whole point is about, that your carved in stone attitude towards these legal definitions are being challenged, by me. I claim people who commit heinous crimes like this are deficient in some deep way we cannot understand, and deserving of humane treatment, while being removed from society.
As an aside, I actually have never understood punishment. When I fucked up as a child, I knew it, and felt bad about it. Being punished didn't help anything at all. When I train my dog, I may scold him if he fucks up, but only until he understands that he fucked up. If I come home and he has his tail between his legs, and there is some kind of mess, I grumble at him a little and clean up the mess. We both know he fucked up, and we both feel bad about it, so scolding him further or doing something physical has no advantage. And my dog learned quite well.
I think there are some areas where a deterrent effect may be achieved, such as speeding, robbery, and several corporate crimes. The deterrent must "cost" much, much more to the person or corporation than the possible gain from the crime.
Punishment to extract revenge, however, is just wrong, and two wrongs don't make a right. Hating the criminals serves little purpose than to blind ourselves to practical and ethical considerations. Inhumane punishments have about the same effect as if I would begin kicking my dog every day, and just like that would make me an asshole, abusing prisoners makes our society morally deficient.
Hopefully you will see I am challenging the definitions of mental illness and insanity, and see my argument in heinous cases, once again, is that the person is very deeply flawed and needs to be permanently and humanely removed.
-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy
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#421936 - 05/11/09 08:28 PM
Re: Another heartwarming story from Florida
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The fucker's nuts, lock him up and throw away the key, OK?
-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy
He gets alot better treatment than the poor little defenseless kid he killed huh? That's justice  You think you would feel different of it was your kid?
I would feel a lot of things. But I would think the same way.
-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy
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#421938 - 05/11/09 08:50 PM
Re: Another heartwarming story from Florida
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The fucker's nuts, lock him up and throw away the key, OK?
-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy
You need to believe that, OK, I get it. I'm just asking you, what if he isn't nuts?
Then we all start throwing babies out of car windows, I guess, if that is a sane and rational thing to do. All I know is what I see, all we can judge a person by is their actions.
-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy
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#421939 - 05/11/09 08:55 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 04/02/09
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Loc: Mississippi
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It can't be wrong without being insane?
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#421941 - 05/11/09 09:18 PM
Re: Another heartwarming story from Florida
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Human Garbage
Registered: 04/02/09
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As long as you realize are using terminology that makes you feel good, rather than terminology that is factually correct, whatever.
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#421943 - 05/11/09 10:07 PM
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#421945 - 05/11/09 10:13 PM
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Registered: 04/16/09
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Ah Florida, the perfect mix of the street thug crime level of LA or New York run by corrupt right wing mongoloids. Imagine if Ohio and Florida mated and spawned a super mutant shit baby that succeeded from the union and became it's own horrific super power. Evolving in it's own little isolated cloud of noxiousness, like a version of the Galapagos Islands after all the worlds toxic waste had been dumped on it.
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#421946 - 05/11/09 10:22 PM
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I know being a whore isn't site specific, I was just surprised to see another one Jersey bred.
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