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#415081 - 04/08/09 06:04 PM
Study: Nonsmokers Living Too Long
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Porn Jesus
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clickA study has determined that, although smokers cause a considerable and obvious burden to the health care system, nonsmokers live too long and present a burden due to their longevity. "We were actually quite surprised by the finding because we were pretty sure that smokers were getting cross-subsidized by everybody else. But it was only when we put all the pieces together that we found it was pretty much a wash."
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#415082 - 04/09/09 02:15 PM
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Kurt Lackwood's Fluffer
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Hopefully,this will lead to "virtue" taxes on health food and organic shops. You know,to reimburse the taxpayer for having to support those whose choice to live a healthy lifestyle eventually results in expansion of government provided services.
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#415083 - 04/09/09 02:18 PM
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Porn Jesus
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#415085 - 04/09/09 03:32 PM
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Porn Fucking Master
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re Britney Spears.
My secretary was at the show. She said there was some pot smoke, but Britney was very lame and had poor energy throughout the show.
I don't really care one way or the other, but the meltdowns are entertaining.
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#415086 - 04/09/09 03:49 PM
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Porn Jesus
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@Grizz: Do they even allow smoking inside any venues in BC?
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#415087 - 04/09/09 03:58 PM
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Human Garbage
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I read the clip attached but didn't see anything about a "study" (i.e. an article published in a peer reviewed scientific journal). Just the opinion of a guy who defends tobacco companies in their many lawsuits and vague references by a "journalist".
I'd love to see an actual study somewhere, even if it is true and not an article planted by the tobacco company, I'd still love to see the data.
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#415088 - 04/09/09 04:02 PM
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Hopefully,this will lead to "virtue" taxes on health food and organic shops. You know,to reimburse the taxpayer for having to support those whose choice to live a healthy lifestyle eventually results in expansion of government provided services.
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!   
welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism
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#415090 - 04/09/09 04:10 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Oblah, reread the article, it mentions where the studies from. I agree they should have been sited but from what info is given you could probably find that data the author was using when writing the article.
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#415092 - 04/09/09 04:20 PM
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Human Garbage
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I'm sorry, I think that article was written in a very suspicious, perhaps misleading style. They focus on this guy who defends tobacco companies, claim his studies "prove" something, then shift to a Dutch study by a different author (the Netherlands have a completely different health care system than the US and costs cannot be directly compared). Then allude to a different study, by another author, studying a completely different issue more than 20 years ago.
I will look up the study in JAMA though since they did mention the author and the journal--just out of curiosity since this claim seems counter-intuitive.
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#415093 - 04/09/09 04:40 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 04/02/09
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Sorry, searching PubMed and JAMA's own website back to 1970 only listed one article by Willard G. Manning, but it had nothing to do with smoking.
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#415094 - 04/09/09 04:54 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 04/09/09
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I loved Britney Spears before she got pregnant. Maybe she's pregnant again and she didn't want the second hand smoke to affect her unborn baby.
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#415101 - 04/09/09 06:13 PM
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Porn Jesus
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I'd love to see an actual study somewhere, even if it is true and not an article planted by the tobacco company, I'd still love to see the data.
I've seen this before, legit, not an industry plant.
Smokers not only don't last as long, they have fewer medical issues and hospitalizations. Nonsmokers hang around a lot longer (on welfare), are more likely to get Alzheimer's, need lengthy nursing home care, etc. Smokers often die before running up those bills.
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#415103 - 04/09/09 06:41 PM
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Human Garbage
Registered: 04/02/09
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I'd love to see an actual study somewhere, even if it is true and not an article planted by the tobacco company, I'd still love to see the data.
I've seen this before, legit, not an industry plant.
Smokers not only don't last as long, they have fewer medical issues and hospitalizations. Nonsmokers hang around a lot longer (on welfare), are more likely to get Alzheimer's, need lengthy nursing home care, etc. Smokers often die before running up those bills.
This is the part that I disagree with. I do know that is a theory being floated out there, I just don't believe it is correct.
All of the top causes of hospitalizations and many of the top causes of ER visits are either directly or indirectly related to smoking. Smokers are more likely to be uninsured and underemployed, so their medical bills are more likely to be a burden on the public.
Smoking is a risk factor for hypertension (which itself is a risk for heart attack, stroke, kidney disease, blindness). It is a primary risk factor for heart attack and stroke. Medical interventions for heart attack and ischemia is one of the biggest cost items in American health care (e.g. bypass surgery, angioplasty, inpatient nonsurgical medical management). Stroke is one of the biggest ticket items for debilitation, loss of ability to continue to work, and need for home health or nursing home placement and Physical therapy or rehab. For non-cardiac chest pain prompted ER visits and Cardiology referrals, GI sources of chest pain are the most common diagnosis and smoking is the most commonly ingested agent that leads to GI complaints.
During fall and winter months, exacerbations of COPD, asthma, and bronchitis are the most common reason for hospital admission in many parts of the country. Smokers are more likely to need hospitalization for community acquired pneumonia than nonsmokers, require longer hospitalizations, have more complications, and have more frequent episodes than nonsmokers.
Smokers having elective and emergency surgery for reasons completely unrelated to smoking are much more likely to have poor wound healing, prolonged post op courses, intra operative problems with ventillation, require ICU stays post op, suffer cardiac and respiratory compromise, develop post op infections, and require longer rehab time due to poor conditioning and decreased respiratory reserve.
Smoking is the most commonly identified risk factors for many types of Cancer (not just lung CA) requiring prolonged chemotherapy, surgery and radiation therapy.
I know that there is much I am leaving out here, but my point is that I suspect the people claiming smokers are not as much of a burden on our health care system as non-smokers are being selective in what they count as a health care cost related to smoking and what is not.
I am willing to admit I can't prove this, and I may be wrong, I'm just not gonna take the word of an AP reporter without some hard data.
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#415104 - 04/09/09 07:10 PM
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#415105 - 04/09/09 07:12 PM
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