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#41476 - 07/28/04 06:53 AM the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
because iv been asked more then once....
the max thing...... lol i find my self telling this story so often!!
ok well max was the first thing my ex-agent got me out here, i don't watch porn so i had no idea who or what he was, i was told by my exagent that he was "a very nice guy" so the ex agent dropped me off, max didn't explain much aboout what was going on, exsept the pretense for my scene was that i was a 12 year old hooker that had been raped by her uncle at the age of 8 (this really put me off i thought it was the most horrible thing and the fact that that got max hard off it really put a bad vibe between us!)so we started the scene he pissed on me igot up and yelled "did you just fucking piss on me!!"

not that the peeing thing bothers me (i did piss mops like the next day) but he didn't tell me and i just didn't like the guy, so he went on to call me an idiot, i was crying not because max had that affect on me i just wanted to punch him but i had alot of other thoughs in my head, that and when i get upset i get so frustrated i cry, can't help it, so he continued to insult me and called my "agent", i eventually regained my composer, and explain to max that he had no reason to insult me and that he was the one that is sitting here taking advantage of new talant and that he should not assume someone knows that your going to pee on them or what ever, you should explain your self well when it comes to things like that

Sooooo. my fuck for an agent came by all pissy, him and max work up an idea for me to do a scene with the camera guy, to save the shoot and so i could still get paid, while i was doing the shoot they were to work out the details of pay, I WAS NEW ENOUGH TO TRUST THEY WOULD WORK OUT SOMETHING FAIR AND REASONABLE after all he was my agent
(this was the stupidist conclusion iv ever come to in my life) but in my defense i was new and some what worked up

so i did MY FIRST FUCKING ANAL scene with the camera guy,(my first and only anal scene, i don't do anal)and as i was told by max i saved the shoot, (inthe bath room where i looked all upset i was told to act that way, which came easy cause i was still kinda pissed about he whole thing)

so after wards

MAX HANDS ME A $200 CHECK and a $40 cash tip for "being such a good sport"
this i found insulting, and unforchently due to utter shock i wasn't in my right mind to throw the 40 dollar tip back in his face although later when i came to my senses (well maybe not senses but when my sense of pride returned) i did thow it in the street,

now until now i have not stated any opion about the man just what happened, and i did want to leave this post the bigger woman and not sucome to insults, but resiting this in detail has kinda pissed me off
soooooo..............
fuck max hardcore, he has no upper lip

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#41477 - 07/28/04 06:56 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
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Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
P.S.
Please mind the spelling errors,i type faster then my brain can spell and i HATE proof reading
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#41478 - 07/28/04 07:05 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Lance Cumming Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 03/07/04
Posts: 111
$200?????????????????????????????????????

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I respect Max's right to make what he wants and pay what he wants, but newbies should be made aware of what is going on with him BEFORE they work with him.

I am very good friends with Sandra Romain who will do ANYTHING for the camera. Max made her cry. Not because he was so over the top, but the fact that he was SERIOUS during his insults and woman hatred. I laugh when I call a girl some name and ask her how she wants me to fuck her during a scene, but when the camera stops, so does the acting. I think Max believes what he makes is his reality.

ugh!

sorry, lain.

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#41479 - 07/28/04 07:07 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
ehhh .. you live and learn
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#41480 - 07/28/04 07:36 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
JRV Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 5849
Loc: TX, USA
It’s pretty obvious why Max can't get decent girls any more unless he gets them before they learn anything about the industry. Kami got "tricked" by Max too.

I haven't watched a Max video in a couple of years now. I don't think I'm missing anything.

Who is your booking agent now?

(and who was that bad agent?)

PS. A couple of recent Max videos have had Felix Vicious. Felix has been around long enough to know to tell Max to drop dead if he tries to book her, and Felix is way better than Max normally gets unless he's tricked a newbie. I have no idea what she was doing on a set of his.
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#41481 - 07/28/04 12:20 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
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Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
my agent now, im with adult staffing services ( www.adultstaffingservices.com ) joey serino... very nice guy

my previouse agent, thats anouther story in and of its self.
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#41482 - 07/28/04 12:42 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
pornloser78 Offline
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Registered: 12/08/03
Posts: 247
Loc: Tone
sounds like max, you should see what he wants to pay his employees. he has his rep for a reason. i am sorry you got fucked over like that, but your agent at the time was an obvious piece of shit. Now i under stand you can't say who he was and i respect that cause hell i know as well as anybody how incestuous this business is and if one person thinks that you'll rat on them, even if they deserve it they will do their best to fuck you any way possible. trust me the right people do and will know who was involved. as for max i am sad you had to learn this way about him, but anyone in the know knows exactly how he is.trust me your believed.you should talk to some of the sites around and let your story be known, it's the only way to stop this kind of stuff.
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#41483 - 07/28/04 12:47 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Sadist Offline
Max Hardcore Prison Bitch

Registered: 07/18/04
Posts: 294
Loc: Lake of Fire
Wow that sucks..sorry about your ordeal Lain. I love the older Max Hardcore stuff but his recent stuff is....um...weird.
I don't understand the whole lipstick thing he does where he smears it everywhere and i find his use of speculums(sp) boring too.
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#41484 - 07/28/04 12:54 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
honestly i would rather just forget about the whole max thing, the only reason i posted was because i always get asked about the max factor. To each there own if max wants to be a fucked up cowboy with no upper lip what ever, he acually taught me a very valuble lesson about sticking up for your self in this industry, and if i ever see him in the street, he wont get a secound glance, because he really doesn't even faze me.
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#41485 - 07/28/04 12:55 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Saevus Maximus Offline
Gay For Pay

Registered: 04/19/03
Posts: 1083
Loc: In the corner, cutting myself.
Im sorry but I find Lains story to be highly stroke worthily . I now consider Max Hardcore as my god and personal savior .Does this make me a bad person ?
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#41486 - 07/28/04 01:00 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
Quote:

Im sorry but I find Lains story to be highly stroke worthily . I now consider Max Hardcore as my god and personal savior .Does this make me a bad person ?




LOL,... i don't know if i should find that funny or be insulted, ehhh its funny i guess he has to sell him stuff to some one

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#41487 - 07/28/04 01:45 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Ren Galskap Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 07/21/04
Posts: 92
lain, that really sucks. I guess no one's so smart that they never get taken advantage of. You just have to remove the people who are stupid enough to take advantage of you and replace them with people who are smart enough to work with you. Which you've done.

There aught to be an icon to represent the Gen Padova Award for a Good Job of Playing the Lousy Hand You Were Dealt. Named after the person who best exemplifies the quality. But for the time being, this will do. Go, girl!

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#41488 - 07/28/04 01:57 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
simp Offline
AC Cream Wannabe

Registered: 04/26/03
Posts: 441
Loc: WHYWHYWHYWHY?!!!!!!
Get this girl into a Gag factor with her head UPSIDEDOWN quick before she finds the Lord. This is definitely a job for Jay I-love-you-baby-but-I'm-going-to-heartlessly-fuck-your-UPSIDEDOWN-head-until-you're-involuntarily-quacking-like-a-duck Ashley.



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#41489 - 07/28/04 03:10 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
ben Offline
Pervert

Registered: 09/06/03
Posts: 2042
Loc: Ceara's bunny cage
I watched one of his videos recently ( the only one I've seen ) with Ann Harlow and it was really boring and crap. Max Hardcore looks like an 80 year old red faced pensioner in a cowboy hat with a 1 inch penis. Its boring how he has the same few girls in every movie
I hope all your other shoots go really well Lain and I hope you do do some more anal! :P I'm wondering when girls get paid? Is it before or after a scene? I have read about Gauge working for some company and getting a cheque which bounced when she tried to cash it, and in Annabel Chong's "Sex" movie it says when she had sex with 251 guys she was meant to be paid $10,000 but got nothing
The porn industry seems to be full of really nasty dodgy people. What are some good companies to work for?

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#41490 - 07/28/04 03:27 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
SkinCityModels Offline
Stormy's Lawyer

Registered: 10/19/03
Posts: 20
Wow Lain that really sucks.....I personally have never given him any of my girls to use. I tell them what he really does and let them decide for themselfs. Thats fucked up that what ever agent you were using wouldnt tell you that........especially for your first scene!! He was just as much responsible as Max was for not telling you how everything was going to go. I would have paid you much more for your first scene.... well look me up if you want some more work as well my site is growing every day.....

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#41491 - 07/28/04 05:07 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
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aka Gen Padova
Porn Jesus

Registered: 04/20/03
Posts: 4517
Max is a lucky man that he hasn't ran into me since I've met Lain. The bastard spends a lot of time calling me and wanting to book me. Actually ran into him twice at JM's office too, in the past. He's a determined man to get his own way.

I've known two other people in this industry that had this trick pulled on them by Max getting paid only 200 bucks. That alone says a lot about a man's self worth and credibility. And the fact that he's an alcoholic with pride.

These producers these days think they can get away with a lot of things, thinking majority of the women in this industry are flat out dumb and won't repeat a word for the sake of being scared. Truth is, the truth comes out down the road and karma takes action. Fuck the fuckers.

The day he gets his way with me will be the day he gets his first beating the way he does to girls yet 10 times worse. LOL it brings great happiness to my eyes and heart. And that's no joke. I've scared myself once.

Maybe after this message he won't have interest in shooting me anymore... we'll see in the near future what happens. I can't wait.

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#41492 - 07/28/04 07:08 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
JRV Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 5849
Loc: TX, USA
Here's an idea: the next time Max calls you should shyly admit you've fantasized about working with him all along but were too ashamed to admit (he's so self-absorbed he'll buy it). Tell him you really love those pumps with REALLY LONG SPIKE HEELS.

Meanwhile, work out with Chico on kick-boxing, focusing on aim and power ...


I'm a little surprised Max hasn't been planted in his backyard yet by a boyfriend / husband / brother.
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#41493 - 07/28/04 07:13 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
It Was Fun Offline
aka Gen Padova
Porn Jesus

Registered: 04/20/03
Posts: 4517
The only thing that holds me back is why should I satisfy him with the time of day at all...

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#41494 - 07/28/04 07:32 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
2cums Offline
Registered Sex Offender

Registered: 04/16/04
Posts: 2415
Loc: On the Mia Rose bandwagon
$200 bucks for anal in this day and age? Max needs to go away permanently. One day he will meet the wrong woman or suitcase pimp and lights out.

On another note, Lain, you have a beautiful face and body and I look forward to waxing my carrot to you when your movies come out.
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#41495 - 07/28/04 08:45 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
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Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
Quote:

II hope all your other shoots go really well Lain and I hope you do do some more anal!

:P I'm wondering when girls get paid? Is it before or after a scene? I




acually yes ever since i moved in with gen iv had nothing but the best of luck with shoot(well its not really luck just being introduced to the right people)

we get paid after the shoot.
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#41496 - 07/28/04 08:52 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
Quote:


On another note, Lain, you have a beautiful face and body and I look forward to waxing my carrot to you when your movies come out.




awww... you make me blush, thanks
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#41497 - 07/28/04 10:46 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
ben Offline
Pervert

Registered: 09/06/03
Posts: 2042
Loc: Ceara's bunny cage
What was Max doing at JM's office? Would Max be a millionaire? I guess he probably is since he doesn't have to pay much for girls

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#41498 - 07/29/04 06:44 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Jeff Steward Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 04/14/03
Posts: 7408
Loc: JM Productions
Quote:

Get this girl into a Gag factor with her head UPSIDEDOWN quick before she finds the Lord. This is definitely a job for Jay I-love-you-baby-but-I'm-going-to-heartlessly-fuck-your-UPSIDEDOWN-head-until-you're-involuntarily-quacking-like-a-duck Ashley.







Agreed.Lain,are you ready for Gag Factor?
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#41499 - 07/29/04 02:01 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
ben Offline
Pervert

Registered: 09/06/03
Posts: 2042
Loc: Ceara's bunny cage
Gag Factor is very hardcore though, not like Max Hardcore

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#41500 - 07/29/04 02:32 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
honestly i never seen a gag factor, but iv done some pretty hardcore b.j.'s ...... and i love a challenge
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#41501 - 07/29/04 04:59 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
It Was Fun Offline
aka Gen Padova
Porn Jesus

Registered: 04/20/03
Posts: 4517
WOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOooooooo!!! That's MY LAIN... I actually brought her into the office Jeff but you were in Vegas. Perhaps you'll meet her soon

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#41502 - 07/29/04 07:40 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Mike Meatmaster Offline
Pervert

Registered: 05/31/03
Posts: 2211
Loc: TX
Max Hardcore is boring.
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#41503 - 07/30/04 04:51 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
ben Offline
Pervert

Registered: 09/06/03
Posts: 2042
Loc: Ceara's bunny cage
Quote:

Get this girl into a Gag factor with her head UPSIDEDOWN quick before she finds the Lord. This is definitely a job for Jay I-love-you-baby-but-I'm-going-to-heartlessly-fuck-your-UPSIDEDOWN-head-until-you're-involuntarily-quacking-like-a-duck Ashley.





I hope you would make sure that he's had a valid HIV test first. I remember during the HIV issue recently that despite being one on the list of possibly infected performers Jay Ashley continued to shoot porn while everyone else went on quarantine. Just remember that he couldn't give a fuck about anyone but himself

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#41504 - 07/30/04 07:30 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Jeff Steward Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 04/14/03
Posts: 7408
Loc: JM Productions
Quote:

WOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOooooooo!!! That's MY LAIN... I actually brought her into the office Jeff but you were in Vegas. Perhaps you'll meet her soon




Im waiting patiently,cock in hand.
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#41505 - 07/31/04 05:05 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Toelicker Offline
Porn Fucking Master

Registered: 04/21/04
Posts: 3899
Loc: CO Springs
Fuck Max. Lain rules.

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#41506 - 07/31/04 08:08 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Cleetus VanDamme Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 04/19/04
Posts: 7888
Loc: Carpathian Mountains
Hey toelicker, we all were wondering what happened to you
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#41507 - 08/01/04 05:28 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
Quote:

Fuck Max. Lain rules.





*grin* you just made my day, thanks
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#41508 - 08/01/04 05:32 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
if i do gag factor do i get a t shirt..... you know girls will do anything for a tshirt,
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#41509 - 08/01/04 05:07 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Mike Hash Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 07/06/03
Posts: 50
Loc: Los Angeles
Max hardcore is my hero. there is a need for crazy violent sex, but what a asshole for not explaining what it is he is doing. well its not like he always does it.

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#41510 - 08/03/04 06:11 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Jeff Steward Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 04/14/03
Posts: 7408
Loc: JM Productions
Quote:

if i do gag factor do i get a t shirt..... you know girls will do anything for a tshirt,




Anything? :
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#41511 - 08/03/04 12:48 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
LOL ......... anything
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#41512 - 08/04/04 05:48 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
mikemirestone Offline
Stormy's Lawyer

Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 22
http://www.maxhardcore.com/promo/LainStory.htm

there is a link to the actual real story

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#41513 - 08/04/04 05:59 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Rob Longshot Offline
Chronic Masturbator

Registered: 12/22/03
Posts: 1715
Loc: Everything for the people, not...
ok, so max says he told her it was gonna happen and showed her how it was going to go.... and yet we dont see any footage of that to substantiate it. interesting.
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#41514 - 08/04/04 06:54 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
mikemirestone Offline
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Registered: 08/03/04
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Whats even more interesting is when she is reminded of that she says "yeah but i thought..." and after a girl says that you know that means she imagined. or dreamed. or did anything other than come to a correct conclusion.

but thats why they also sign off in writing also (even more interesting) so there could be no corn-fusion

personally i like the video 'cause it's real interesting

Actually I liked Lain though, she was probably one of the more genuine people that has run through there, and if she wasn't properly prepped by her agent that this is hardcore pornography (not simulated) he did her a serious injustice.

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#41515 - 08/04/04 08:36 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
JRV Offline
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Posts: 5849
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Whats even more interesting is when she is reminded of that she says "yeah but i thought..." and after a girl says that you know that means she imagined. or dreamed. or did anything other than come to a correct conclusion.




Sorry, but that video sequence doesn't in any way support his position, in spite of the fact that it was probably specifically edited to put him in the best possible light, and put her in the worst possible light.

It suggests to me that Max said there would be a piss segment, and that she made the (reasonable) assumption that meant a little tube, etc, which is pretty common even in European porn. It appears she never realized he would go further than necessary (and given the camera position faking it would present no problem).

PS. That's a camera angle designed to fake the piss shot. It's like an anal scene where you never see a cock and anus at the same time: we never see piss and a pisshole (and where that piss is going). Is that what Jaded charges $60 for?

Quote:

but thats why they also sign off in writing also (even more interesting) so there could be no corn-fusion personally i like the video 'cause it's real interesting



I wonder if that was signed before or after the scene was shot? When was the closing interview shot?

Lain is the one who could close those questions but I think she wants to move on; this is in the unpleasant past. Can't blame her for that.

Quote:

Actually I liked Lain though, she was probably one of the more genuine people that has run through there, and if she wasn't properly prepped by her agent that this is hardcore pornography (not simulated) he did her a serious injustice.



That I think everyone can agree on. Neither Lain nor Max were well served by that clown of an agent.
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#41516 - 08/04/04 09:11 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Vukmir Vukmir Offline
Bukkake Boy

Registered: 04/21/03
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I have no problems with people pissing on each other for fun and profit but that clip is simply repulsive. I wonder about Lain's grasp of the business she's jumping into (or why she's leaping into the cesspool end of it), but it's also clear that people like Max thrive on manipulating the naive and then making them feel bad when he treat them like dogshit.

I mean, maybe that is just the real truth of "porn," but I take no pleasure in watching it.

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#41517 - 08/04/04 09:22 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
2cums Offline
Registered Sex Offender

Registered: 04/16/04
Posts: 2415
Loc: On the Mia Rose bandwagon
The only thing that clip proved is that Lain was definitly pissed on by Max and she acted like she didn't know it was coming. Where is the rest of the footage from before the scene? How come you never said what you paid her for her work? If the going rate is 200 for an anal scene, I'm opening my own studio....<insert sarcasm>

JM puts out hardcore films but at least the girls appear to know beforehand know what to expect.
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#41518 - 08/04/04 09:30 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Rob Longshot Offline
Chronic Masturbator

Registered: 12/22/03
Posts: 1715
Loc: Everything for the people, not...
honestly Lain has a pretty decent grasp of the business and when we shot her for Oral Hygiene 4 and her subsequent Piss Zone scene with Gen she was fully aware of what was going on and that it would happen and was a total professional the whole time....
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#41519 - 08/04/04 09:48 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Sergio T. Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 07/20/03
Posts: 5256
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Quote:

That I think everyone can agree on. Neither Lain nor Max were well served by that clown of an agent




Lain is in good hands now. We will make sure nothing like this ever happens like that again. She is better than that. Lain wont be someone's urinal anymore.
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#41520 - 08/04/04 11:56 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
JRV Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 5849
Loc: TX, USA
Staying with Gen is probably the best thing that could have happened to Lain at that point.
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#41521 - 08/05/04 05:10 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
Quote:

Staying with Gen is probably the best thing that could have happened to Lain at that point.




he he he gen is my hero she saved me for the likes of my former agent who wanted to get me to be a prositute (which is anouther story LOL) gen rocks and moving in with her was one of the luckest things to ever happen to me.
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#41522 - 08/05/04 05:30 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Rob Longshot Offline
Chronic Masturbator

Registered: 12/22/03
Posts: 1715
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I've dealt with Tim enough to know he is a dipshit... and it didn't surprise me to see him there....
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#41523 - 08/05/04 07:21 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Vukmir Vukmir Offline
Bukkake Boy

Registered: 04/21/03
Posts: 675
Loc: Belgrade
Who is the agent?

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#41524 - 08/05/04 07:43 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
It Was Fun Offline
aka Gen Padova
Porn Jesus

Registered: 04/20/03
Posts: 4517
*spits on Thomas Hope from XTC Models* (a great big loogie)

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#41525 - 08/05/04 03:24 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Ali G. 13 Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 144
Loc: Los Angeles
Everyone should know what they are getting into when going to Max's dungeon. You know he is hardcore and shit will hit the fan. Lain you seemed very confused and upset, which also made it easy for some other deuche bag to move in on you. All I can say is you really have to educate yourself because there is always someone looking to take advantage when they can. And you look like easy prey.

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#41526 - 08/05/04 03:26 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
Quote:

*spits on Thomas Hope from XTC Models* (a great big loogie)




well i was going to be discreet and not name any names..... but gen sure fucked that up lol
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#41527 - 08/05/04 03:40 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
JRV Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 5849
Loc: TX, USA
Quote:

Quote:

*spits on Thomas Hope from XTC Models* (a great big loogie)




well i was going to be discreet and not name any names..... but gen sure fucked that up lol



We like that about Gen - she will call a spade a spade, and do it by name when deserved. She doesn't use subtle ambiguities in giving her opinion of the scum.
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#41528 - 08/05/04 04:57 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
AssIncAgent Offline
Ed Hardy Wearing Loser

Registered: 10/18/03
Posts: 47
Loc: Porn Valley, Ca
You know, I try very hard to keep off the gossip boards because I do try to put 100% in all the work I do for the talent we at ASS INC represent. This very reason is why I try to stay away from them......because hearing about this stuff is what gets me so freaking angry! This is the very reason why I wanted to become an agent. To guide, protect, and put the talent in good hands.

A little about myself is the very first shoot I ever saw was at Max Hardcores house which was Pure Max 5 with Lainey. I was so so shocked at what happened that I told her not to do anymore of this type work. It was her fifth or sixth shoot in the business and it was suggested by a friend who said Max is cool and upfront. Well, honestly, Paul is cool but Max was not. Doing the hardcore stuff like he did is one thing, but saying it was a quick 30 to 40 min scene test which he would pay $300 but making it into a full 3 hr shoot. This was straight anal the whole time, and pissing as well. I was so worried about her the whole time she was dealing with the scene, but she kept a smile on her face the whole time. I just was insulted at the end when the bastard gave her a $40 tip as well! Since I was trying to be the not say a word type boyfriend, and put her work on the line, I said nothing. That was so wrong of me and I since then.....made a promise that I would learn as much as I could about this business and some day, be able to guide and lead talent to a much better climb up this ladder of porn.

So, this is what gets me pissed and all worked up when I hear this from a stranger but to hear it from a girl who I now represent is another. I think that is what is the close thing between Lain and I.

Love you girl!!! You the bomb!!!


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#41529 - 08/06/04 01:44 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
It Was Fun Offline
aka Gen Padova
Porn Jesus

Registered: 04/20/03
Posts: 4517
I think I'll do a banana dance too

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#41530 - 08/07/04 06:32 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Toelicker Offline
Porn Fucking Master

Registered: 04/21/04
Posts: 3899
Loc: CO Springs
Great clip. Max is a cunt.

Lain should charge top dollar just to walk in the door.

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#41531 - 08/07/04 07:03 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Smartt Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 5869
Loc: Instead of looking at the girl...
Quote:

http://www.maxhardcore.com/promo/LainStory.htm

there is a link to the actual real story




Ah. So that´s how the sofa became yellow!


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#41532 - 08/07/04 07:04 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
SkinCityModels Offline
Stormy's Lawyer

Registered: 10/19/03
Posts: 20
Quote:

You know, I try very hard to keep off the gossip boards because I do try to put 100% in all the work I do for the talent we at ASS INC represent. This very reason is why I try to stay away from them......because hearing about this stuff is what gets me so freaking angry! This is the very reason why I wanted to become an agent. To guide, protect, and put the talent in good hands.




I agree with you and thats pretty much the reason I started www.skincitymodels.com as I got tired of hearing how all these girls got fucked over in the industry and then dealing with so called agents that were nothing more than a pimp with a different name. Personally I love women and dont get off at all on Max's type of porn. Its one thing when the agent explains what all a persons shooting style is about and they still want to do it. But, its a whole different ball game when they go in and get ass fucked and pissed on when they wernt expecting anything like that. Then to get paid how much? Thats just fucken Crazy. I have had a number of girls that Max has wanted to shoot and I always show the girls some of his work. Every one has declined to shoot. I know there are some really hard core girls that really love doing that kind of work but most dont. Mabye Im one of the normal people in the industry and dont get me wrong, I love to see a good wild fuck scene but when it comes down to smacking around the talent and pissing and humiliation... I dont get off on that shit and always wonder about the ones that do... Well to each thier own I guess. I personally wouldnt ever throw new in experienced talent to a very rough or really out of the ordinary shoot like he does. What a quick way to loose good talent out of the industry. You gotta break in a virgin first before you can really try to push the limits. Ok here is the soap box back....

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#41533 - 08/07/04 11:36 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Sergio T. Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 07/20/03
Posts: 5256
Loc: CSW Wrestling - Gracie Academy
Quote:





That set has some funny pictures. Those were taken earlier in the week for her website, www.lainoi.com
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#41534 - 08/08/04 12:02 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Smartt Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 5869
Loc: Instead of looking at the girl...
Quote:


That set has some funny pictures. Those were taken earlier in the week for her website, www.lainoi.com




This domain is currently Under Construction. Please check back soon.

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#41535 - 08/08/04 12:05 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Sergio T. Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 07/20/03
Posts: 5256
Loc: CSW Wrestling - Gracie Academy
I should have been more specific. Her site will be up in 2 weeks. We have been adding content like a motherfucker to it.
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#41536 - 08/08/04 02:45 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Mikey Ropucha Offline
Max Hardcore Prison Bitch

Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 291
Loc: Illinois, the Porn Void
$200 a scene? I'm in the wrong business. THAT's the going rate for a simple porn scene? I bet some girls out there WISH I would start shooting movies. I would have paid over twice that and treated Lain a whole lot better.

I don't know who's quote this is.. "(insert name here) would probably get out of the business before he'd ever mistreat a girl. (insert name here) is the kind of guy who tends to put a girl on a pedestal, and not put the pedestal into the girl" but that quote fits me and how I tend to see thing.

Would my porn be any good? Who knows. I think it'd be fun to try though.
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#41537 - 08/11/04 07:15 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
Quote:

Great clip. Max is a cunt.

Lain should charge top dollar just to walk in the door.





toe licker you say such nice things...
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#41538 - 08/11/04 07:18 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Smelly Monkey Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 01/25/04
Posts: 8662
Loc: In a k1ng like state of medioc...
Boo hoo max pissed in your mouth, big deal. I have had worse and i got over it.
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#41539 - 08/11/04 07:19 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
ChickenMaster Offline
Demon Spawn

Registered: 07/07/04
Posts: 3178
Quote:

Boo hoo max pissed in your mouth, big deal. I have had worse and i got over it.




Did Max shit in your mouth?

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#41540 - 08/11/04 07:21 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
CHICO!!!!!!! thats a horrible picture of me !! why'd you post sure a crappy pic, I hate you, you suck .......... LOL just kidding, but that is a crappy picture of me
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#41541 - 08/11/04 07:28 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
Quote:

Boo hoo max pissed in your mouth, big deal. I have had worse and i got over it.




ummm first off im not boo hooing.

secoundly i am over it, i only posted because i kept getting asked about it from people and i got kinda sick of telling it over and over again I really wasn't seeking to get any attention from it let alone this much.

and lastly ...
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#41542 - 08/11/04 07:33 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
JRV Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 5849
Loc: TX, USA
Quote:

Boo hoo max pissed in your mouth, big deal. I have had worse and i got over it.



You've become the Monkey. I'd hardly call that getting over it.

And, I thought the agreement was that you weren't going to be attacking talent all over any more? That's why you have the Cage?
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#41543 - 08/11/04 07:34 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
ChickenMaster Offline
Demon Spawn

Registered: 07/07/04
Posts: 3178
Quote:

Quote:

Boo hoo max pissed in your mouth, big deal. I have had worse and i got over it.



You've become the Monkey. I'd hardly call that getting over it.
And, I thought the agreement was that you weren't going to be attacking talent all over any more? That's why you have the Cage?




The monkey has no Christmas cheer.


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#41544 - 08/11/04 07:36 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
JRV Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 5849
Loc: TX, USA
Quote:

CHICO!!!!!!! thats a horrible picture of me !! why'd you post sure a crappy pic, I hate you, you suck .......... LOL just kidding, but that is a crappy picture of me



Smartt posted the pic - it was just part of the reply box in Chico's note.

We'd be happy to admire a better picture of you instead.
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#41545 - 08/11/04 07:36 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Smelly Monkey Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 01/25/04
Posts: 8662
Loc: In a k1ng like state of medioc...
Quote:

You've become the Monkey. I'd hardly call that getting over it.

And, I thought the agreement was that you weren't going to be attacking talent all over any more? That's why you have the Cage?





I'm not attacking talent at all. i am just stating probably what a lot of people are feeling and thinking. We all know how max runs his business and if you decide to do porn without looking into it first and seeing how different people in the biz run their biz then its on you. Shit happens. Just because i now happen to work for max has nothing to do with my change of heart either.
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#41546 - 08/11/04 07:41 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Smartt Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 5869
Loc: Instead of looking at the girl...
Quote:

Smartt posted the pic - it was just part of the reply box in Chico's note.





Smartt my ass. AssIncAgent posted the pic, I just hotlinked it as an image.

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#41547 - 08/11/04 07:47 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
okay here's a better picture


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#41548 - 08/11/04 07:48 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
JRV Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 5849
Loc: TX, USA
Quote:

We all know how max runs his business and if you decide to do porn without looking into it first and seeing how different people in the biz run their biz then its on you.



Lain had an agent. At least she thought she did. I wonder how much he got paid by Max. Presumably she expected that an agent would prevent this very problem.

Quote:

Shit happens. Just because i now happen to work for max has nothing to do with my change of heart either.



Sorry, but the Monkey knows of Max too well to work for him. On the other hand, I can imagine the Monkey stopping by Casa Max with a "License to Create Chaos" for fun...
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#41549 - 08/11/04 07:49 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
JRV Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 5849
Loc: TX, USA
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#41550 - 08/11/04 09:46 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Sergio T. Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 07/20/03
Posts: 5256
Loc: CSW Wrestling - Gracie Academy
Quote:

CHICO!!!!!!! thats a horrible picture of me !! why'd you post sure a crappy pic, I hate you, you suck .......... LOL just kidding, but that is a crappy picture of me



I didnt. I would post some of the five sets you shot last week instead. Want me too? BTW, still hate me?
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#41551 - 08/12/04 03:41 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Toelicker Offline
Porn Fucking Master

Registered: 04/21/04
Posts: 3899
Loc: CO Springs
Quote:

okay here's a better picture




I dig the socks.
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#41552 - 08/12/04 05:23 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
Quote:

BTW, still hate me?





i forgive you .... LOL
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#41553 - 08/12/04 06:11 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
ben Offline
Pervert

Registered: 09/06/03
Posts: 2042
Loc: Ceara's bunny cage
Quote:






this is a really nice pic!!!

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#41554 - 08/12/04 08:11 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
Quote:


I dig the socks.



yeah i know it was the first time i ever got to wear "porn socks" in a scene, it was the greatest
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#41555 - 08/13/04 01:58 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Smartt Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 5869
Loc: Instead of looking at the girl...
Porn socks?

PORN SOCKS???


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#41556 - 08/13/04 03:40 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Toelicker Offline
Porn Fucking Master

Registered: 04/21/04
Posts: 3899
Loc: CO Springs
Quote:

Porn socks?

PORN SOCKS???




Hey, she knows what she means, even if we don't.

She's cute enough to just accept what she says, and go on with a smile .

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#41557 - 08/13/04 05:00 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
porn socks - sometimes in porn, during a scene, the talent will still have there socks (some times even there shoe's) on even though they are necked, this more applies to male talent.
maybe im the only one ever to find some guy doing a hot chick completely necked except he didn't feel like taking his big ass white, dirty, smelly knee or calf high socks off FUCKING HALARIOUS!!! and visually unattractive ....

to this day i refuse to have sex with some one (in my personal life) until they take there socks off.

maybe im a dork, but i thought porn socks was common knowledge huh
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#41558 - 08/13/04 06:19 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Toelicker Offline
Porn Fucking Master

Registered: 04/21/04
Posts: 3899
Loc: CO Springs
I gotcha sweets. I just thought it was funny.

I thought maybe you were referring to the specific style of socks, such as the anklets with the ball in the back. You know, the cute little tennis ones.

I think it's silly when people screw in socks, unless of course they are cold, and/or have circulatory problems.

This is you:

This is me to you:
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#41559 - 08/13/04 09:36 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
It Was Fun Offline
aka Gen Padova
Porn Jesus

Registered: 04/20/03
Posts: 4517
I LOVE YOU LAIN!!!!

Your porn socks rock, boy porn socks don't rock. LOL Althoug I have a weakness for Mark Wood and his socks 'n tennis shoes. He pulls it off better than any other guy. Cuz he's a good fuck and take smy mind off the socks hahaha LMAO

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#41560 - 08/13/04 11:31 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Smartt Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 04/30/03
Posts: 5869
Loc: Instead of looking at the girl...
Quote:

Your porn socks rock, boy porn socks don't rock.




Two words: Ed Powers.

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#41561 - 08/13/04 01:48 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
lain Offline
Rob Black's Crack Pipe

Registered: 06/11/04
Posts: 94
Loc: la la land
Quote:


I think it's silly when people screw in socks, unless of course they are cold, and/or have circulatory problems.





L O L
good point
i guess if its for medical reasons or unusaully cold weather exceptions can be made

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#41562 - 08/13/04 03:36 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
JRV Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 08/03/03
Posts: 5849
Loc: TX, USA
Quote:

maybe im a dork, but i thought porn socks was common knowledge huh



oh everyone is just being goofy and having a good time.

And I STILL like the picture!
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#41563 - 03/06/06 12:03 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
3SB Offline
Max Hardcore Prison Bitch

Registered: 12/01/05
Posts: 278
Loc: Indiana
Am I the only one that read that story and doesn't believe for a second that she tossed out any of the money?

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#41564 - 03/06/06 01:21 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
pornodux Offline
Max Hardcore Prison Bitch

Registered: 03/23/05
Posts: 422
Loc: Mitteleuropa
Quote:

Am I the only one that read that story and doesn't believe for a second that she tossed out any of the money?




thanks for bumping this thread

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#41565 - 03/06/06 01:39 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
pornodux Offline
Max Hardcore Prison Bitch

Registered: 03/23/05
Posts: 422
Loc: Mitteleuropa
and rofl, this thread is even funnier considering when gen later will write here about lain doing and hiding drugs in gen's apartment.

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#41566 - 03/06/06 02:40 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
RenfieldGyps Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 12/28/05
Posts: 4726
Loc: The City That Never Sleeps, Tr...
Quote:

and rofl, this thread is even funnier considering when gen later will write here about lain doing and hiding drugs in gen's apartment.



HA I was thinking the same thing. That story was actually much better than this one.

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#41567 - 03/07/06 10:09 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
whitetiger6 Offline
ADT regular

Registered: 03/07/06
Posts: 2
"the pretense for my scene was that i was a 12 year old hooker that had been raped by her uncle at the age of 8 "

If this were to be put to you again by someone other than max and was offering you real serious money would you ignor it?


Edited by whitetiger6 (03/07/06 10:10 AM)

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#41568 - 03/07/06 08:18 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
whitetiger6 Offline
ADT regular

Registered: 03/07/06
Posts: 2
personally I'd inform the cops ! And that includes for max

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#41569 - 03/12/06 10:17 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Dane Offline
AC Cream Wannabe

Registered: 07/06/05
Posts: 591
Loc: South of Heaven
what a difference a couple years makes- everyone actually defended the whore. FUNNY thread.
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#41570 - 03/12/06 10:46 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Anonymous
Unregistered


Quote:

my agent now, im with adult staffing services ( www.adultstaffingservices.com ) joey serino... very nice guy

my previouse agent, thats anouther story in and of its self.




while he may be a nice guy.....tell him to fix his site....pay his bills....whatever....or you may need another agent....sux that you went throught that shit with max.....you should out that so called agent for shit sake....so maybe another girl doent get fucked over by his type of scum.

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#41571 - 03/12/06 11:10 AM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Anonymous
Unregistered


Quote:

and if she wasn't properly prepped by her agent that this is hardcore pornography (not simulated) he did her a serious injustice.





thats why you gotta hand it to Regan at Beatutiful Models. he will fuck the girls for free before they actually start working......it kinda like an initiation.....the few the whatever...the beautiful models girls.......

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#41572 - 03/12/06 06:51 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
Sergio T. Offline
Porn Jesus

Registered: 07/20/03
Posts: 5256
Loc: CSW Wrestling - Gracie Academy
Quote:

while he may be a nice guy.....tell him to fix his site....pay his bills



Adult Staffing is no more I used to work there untill early last yr.

Quote:

you should out that so called agent for shit sake....so maybe another girl doent get fucked over by his type of scum.



I believe it was Thomas Hope.
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#41573 - 03/12/06 11:21 PM Re: the story behind LAIN's max factor scene
It Was Fun Offline
aka Gen Padova
Porn Jesus

Registered: 04/20/03
Posts: 4517
Yep, it was Thomas Hope and his little helper Lee somethin' or another.

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