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#410647 - 03/26/09 07:50 AM U.S. to blame for much of Mexico violence: Clinton
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MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - An "insatiable" appetite in the United States for illegal drugs is to blame for much of the violence ripping through Mexico, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Wednesday.

Clinton acknowledged the U.S. role in Mexico's vicious drug war as she arrived in Mexico for a two-day visit where she discussed U.S. plans to ramp up security on the border with President Felipe Calderon.

A surge in drug gang killings to 6,300 last year and fears the violence could seep over the border has put Mexico's drug war high on President Barack Obama's agenda, after years of Mexico feeling that Washington was neglecting a joint problem.

"Our insatiable demand for illegal drugs fuels the drug trade. Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the death of police officers, soldiers and civilians," Clinton told reporters during her flight to Mexico City.

"I feel very strongly we have a co-responsibility."

Clinton said the Obama administration strongly backed Mexico in its fight with the drug cartels and vowed the United States would try to speed up the transfer of drug-fighting equipment promised under a 2007 agreement.

"We will stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you ... Our relationship is far greater than any threat," Clinton said at a news conference in Mexico City.

Crushing the drug cartels, who arm themselves with smuggled U.S. weapons and leave slain rivals, sometimes beheaded, in public streets, has become the biggest test of Calderon's presidency as the bloodshed rattles investors and tourists.

Washington plans to ramp up border security with a $184 million program to add 360 security agents to border posts and step up searches for smuggled drugs, guns and cash.

The Obama administration will spend $725 million to modernize border crossings and provide about $80 million to help Mexico purchase Black Hawk helicopters, Clinton said.

It was unclear whether this would be new money from the United States or whether the Obama administration had already requested the funds from Congress.

In Washington, Senator Joseph Lieberman said Obama's plans were not enough and he would seek $385 million more from Congress to pay for 1,600 more Customs and Border Patrol agents and bolster law enforcement centers in border areas.

"The danger here is clear and present. It threatens to get worse," Lieberman said.

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Clinton will use her visit to address a trucking dispute with Mexico and long-running trade and immigration issues.

She said the trading partners were making headway on a spat which saw Mexico slam high tariffs on an estimated $2.4 billion worth of U.S. goods after the U.S. Congress ended a pilot program to let Mexican trucks operate in the United States.

"On the trucking dispute, we are working to try to resolve it. We are making progress," she said, adding that she expects Congress will be receptive to the administration's ideas.

Clinton, whose includes a stop in the northern business city of Monterrey on Thursday, said the thorny issues on the table did not mean that U.S.-Mexico relations were in trouble.

"I don't see it that way," she said. "I think that we have some specific challenges ... but every relationship has challenges in it."

Mexico has felt slighted by a delay in the arrival of drug-fighting equipment pledged by former President George W. Bush, as U.S. officials have sought assurances that the aid would not end up in the hands of corrupt officials or police.

The U.S. Congress this month trimmed the amount of drug aid money it will set aside this fiscal year to $300 million from $400 million last year, under a pledge of $1.4 billion to Mexico and Central America over three years.

Since taking office in December 2006, Calderon has spent more than $6.4 billion on his drug war and sent 45,000 troops and federal police to trouble spots around the country.

Mexico has repeatedly said, however, that its efforts will come to nothing if the United States does not clamp down on the smuggling of U.S. guns used in 90 percent of drug crimes south of the border.

Clinton described the violence Mexico is grappling with as "horrendous" and said cartels were alarmingly well equipped.

"It's not only guns. It's night vision goggles. It's body armor. These criminals are outgunning the law enforcement officials," she said. "When you go into a gun fight, where you are trying to round up bad guys and they have ... military style equipment that is much better than yours, you start out at a disadvantage."




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I am in shock right now, because I actually agree with her.

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#410648 - 03/26/09 07:56 AM Re: U.S. to blame for much of Mexico violence: Clinton
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Decriminalize drugs and make mexicans illegal. Problem solved.
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#410649 - 03/26/09 08:05 AM Re: U.S. to blame for much of Mexico violence: Clinton
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I think we're way past decriminalization. Make marijuana legal, completely. That is the Mexican cartels bread and butter. The same move helped remove organized crime from the liquor business.

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#410650 - 03/26/09 09:53 AM Re: U.S. to blame for much of Mexico violence: Clinton
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I think we're way past decriminalization. Make marijuana legal, completely. That is the Mexican cartels bread and butter. The same move helped remove organized crime from the liquor business.




Damn fucking straight. It's time to put some of that weed money into our own government instead of these third world shitholes.
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#410651 - 03/26/09 10:18 AM Re: U.S. to blame for much of Mexico violence: Clinton
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If anyone can solve this problem Hillary can
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#410652 - 03/26/09 04:02 PM Re: U.S. to blame for much of Mexico violence: Clinton
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How long before Mexican aspirin factories are put on high security alert?
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#410653 - 03/26/09 04:06 PM Re: U.S. to blame for much of Mexico violence: Clinton
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I am in shock right now, because I actually agree with her.




Why the shock? Any sane person knows that demand is what drives the drug trade.
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#410654 - 03/26/09 04:09 PM Re: U.S. to blame for much of Mexico violence: Clinton
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I think we're way past decriminalization. Make marijuana legal, completely. That is the Mexican cartels bread and butter. The same move helped remove organized crime from the liquor business.





Really? Mexican pot is 'meh' from what I hear. I know a lot of The northeast's supply comes from us. I've always wondered why the U.S. can't just churn out its own. Most stuff is now grown indoors and there must be a ton of abandoned warehouses in a lot of urban centres...
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#410655 - 03/26/09 04:19 PM Re: U.S. to blame for much of Mexico violence: Clinton
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Some Mexican pot sucks, some is good. By the time it gets up here to Jersey, it's all dry. I'd figure the Mexicans are making more $$ on Meth nowadays than anything else. That stuff is rare up here, and now runs $100 for 1/2 a gram. If I had a bunch of money to take out of Wall St. I'd but a Coke and Meth, neither go bad, and their value will only go up in the coming years.
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#410656 - 03/26/09 04:37 PM Re: U.S. to blame for much of Mexico violence: Clinton
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It's a huge cash crop in E. Ky. E. Tn. and SW Va. We don't need no stinkin' Mexican pot !
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#410657 - 03/26/09 05:01 PM Re: U.S. to blame for much of Mexico violence: Clinton
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Why the shock? Any sane person knows that demand is what drives the drug trade.




I'm shocked that I would agree with Shillary on anything, keep up there son.

The shit grows wild here, it's cultivated on a large scale too, but it's still imported from Mexico because there is such a high demand. I don't think meth has been imported as much since the one pot method was invented.

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#410658 - 03/26/09 09:00 PM Re: U.S. to blame for much of Mexico violence: Clinton
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Mexican weed is dirt weed for the most part. I'll only buy it if everybody else is dry. I'm always shocked when I hear about the vast amounts that are moved into the U.S. Everybody I know that smokes hates it and avoids it whenever possible. There must be a lot of people out there buying shit weed.

I've bought coke, X and weed in Ensenada a few times and it was always shit. We had local Mexican girlfriends buy them for us so we wouldn't get ripped off and still ended up with crap drugs. Fuck those cartels. They have crap product. I hope they all kill each other and proper drug dealers take over.

As for the violence, it's no threat to national security here in the U.S. It's just a hot political talking point. It's a lot less violent then Miami was in the 80's. I won't be going to Adelita's anytime soon though.

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#410659 - 03/27/09 09:25 AM Re: U.S. to blame for much of Mexico violence: Clinton
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You don't think 6290 people being killed in 2008 is a big deal or you just don't care because it's south of the border?

As for quality, that's all relative to who you know and where you live. You can only get the pure sativa strains, grown outside, from places closer to the equator.

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