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I remember very vividly mowing my lawn after seeing the pictures, and how ashamed I was to have been a part of the U.S. Army for 7 years. And how that used to be something I took great pride in. And how the Bushies made me ashamed of most things I used to take pride in.



So you think Bush was responsible for showing the video of a couple of corpses? I doubt he was twisting any news agency arms to get them to show it.

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I agree, if you are talking about Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. as well as the criminals on the other side. So, off with their heads. You do believe two wrongs make a right, since you are trying to dismiss our misconduct by saying our enemy is worse.



First I don’t believe there was any misconduct, on our part, mistakes yes. Second, you’re right, but not the way you think. I don’t equate the crimes against humanity that the Husseins were guilty of with the water boarding we did. Can you honestly say you think the Husseins are no better or worse than Bush?

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Bullshit. At the very least, that is opinion. We were lied into this mess.



So you say Chuck, but lies can be both intentional and unintentional. Bad intelligence, like misread satellite photos can have a misleading effect. Why do you think we always over estimated the USSR’s strength during the cold war?

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I was not addressing Wiki, I try to ignore it, partly because they publish real names of porn folk. Sorry I followed the trail off the OP's point.



So you agree with me that it’s wrong for a site like Wikipedia to take sides.

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As far as wishing Bush to fail, we didn't need to, he was so terrible folks like me just kinda shuddered and hoped the country would pull its collective head out of its ass. And anyone who thinks he could pull off any competent part of the 9-11 attacks, is nuts. Needs a tin foil hat. His laziness and inattention helped a whole lot, but I don't think Osama would want his kind of help.



But that doesn’t address the problem of why it was OK for the majority of Democrats to wish Bush to fail yet it’s not alright for one talking head on the radio to say the same thing about BO, nor does it clarify your position at the time.

So you are blaming Bush for the lapse in security that was already in place, when he took office?

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As far as war in general, it comes with a price. The men and women who have been forever scarred, physically mangled, or killed have purchased, I hope, a period of relative sanity and peace, like the Vietnam vets did. Invading the whole Afghanistan country was also a mistake, just like it was a mistake to give massive military aid to the Taliban against the Russians. I hope we will lose the nationalism (flag-waving ass-sitters) rampant now, and usher in a long period where people will say, "We don't want another Vietnam."



Thing is even Vietnam didn’t have to be a Vietnam. The war was lost because politicians failed to direct sufficient force at the problem in an attempt to keep the cold war with the USSR from escalating.

That’s the problem the peace for the sake of peace people aren’t ever going to sanction any military action even if an overwhelming majority of Americans do deem it necessary.

With that being said I’ll suggest that the current shame you feel over your military service has less to do with Bush and more to do with a change in your political ideology over time.

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And I salute then Lieutenant George W. Bush for his service in the Guard. A commission, pilot wings, and honorable discharge, in time of war. Well done.



Did you say the same about McCain during the election, or like General Clark did you consider it not a big deal?