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Yes, because we've all seen how well Trickle-Down economics has worked out haven't we?

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When did we see this? The the top 25% of wage earners pay 86% of all taxes and liberals still won't quit demanding more handouts. Under Obama it will only get worse for society's producers, so don't expect much to come trickling down.

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We are currently living with the results of Trickle-Down economics (AKA Reaganomics, read a book) which is exactly the drivel that you are spewing now. It Doesn't Work!
How many decades do have we follow a FAILED policy before morons like you get tired of beating their heads against a wall?

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We are currently living with the results of Trickle-Down economics (AKA Reaganomics, read a book) which is exactly the drivel that you are spewing now. It Doesn't Work!

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We are currently living with the results of Trickle-Down economics (AKA Reaganomics, read a book) which is exactly the drivel that you are spewing now. It Doesn't Work!

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Neither supply-side nor demand-side have anything at all to do with the current situation. It's totally irrelevant. That's not where the problems are at all.

And supply-side seemed to work pretty well for a quarter-century, certainly a lot better than what came before.

Also note that resorting to supply-side or demand-side dogma won't do anything to help right now. Once a bank-system fix is in place - and it doesn't exist yet - then a demand-side-type quick-hit stimulus may be better than supply-side at first: in such a situation you're less concerned with which is more efficient in the long run than you are with getting economic activity started immediately.

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Obama is really just Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid's puppet.

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Fuck everybody else! I personally feel no need to do anything to help people who won't take it upon themselves to improve their lot in life. Even whores are better. At least a whore realizes their best asset is their body and take the steps to maximize their return to improve their life.

I work hard, I make my own money, I pay my own way & shelter every dime I legally can. If anybody wants to get ahead, they need to do the same.

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It must be wonderful to know with absolute certainty that you will NEVER have a catastrophic illness or accident where, even if your insurance doesn't disallow the claim on a technicality, it would set you back hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars out of pocket.

I fail to see how other modern countries (so-called Socialist countries) can provide all of these types of social services at tax rates not far off from what we currently pay and we don't even get half of the services they do.
Tatty, what % do you pay in taxes in Canada
Fatman, how about you?

In the US the average citizen pays almost 55% of his total income in taxes and we certainly don't get what we pay for.


Federal personal income tax 17% to 25% rate.
It ranges from a credit up to well over 40%.

State & local income taxes 10.1%
State taxes range from under 6% to over 12%. Local taxes run from zero to 2.75%.

Sales tax 8.6%
Figure is the average rate. State sales taxes range up to 7% and local taxes run from zero to over 5%.

Social security & Medicaid 7.65%
Total rate is actually 15.3% since half is paid by the employer, but we're ignoring that to be kind. Source, box 1
Federal corporate income tax share 3% Based on corporate taxes being approximately 1/6 of personal taxes, and that they are paid by individuals in the final analysis.

Property tax 2.5%
Yearly average actual costs range from under $200 in Alaska to almost $1900 in New Jersey.

Fuel/gasoline tax .5%
Approximately 23% of the 2005 gasoline price is for federal & state taxes. The federal excise tax is 18.4 cents per gallon. Per the CPI, about 6% of the average budget is for transportation. Estimated.

Other 5%
Includes estate tax, fees, licenses, inflation losses, inheritance, deficit allowance, gift, and others too numerous to mention. Estimated.


A partial list of the various ways in which citizens of the US are taxed:

* Accounts Receivable Tax
* Building Permit Tax
* Capital Gains Tax
* CDL license Tax
* Cigarette Tax
* Corporate Income Tax
* Court Fines (indirect taxes)
* Deficit spending
* Dog License Tax
* Federal Income Tax
* Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
* Fishing License Tax
* Food License Tax
* Fuel permit tax
* Gasoline Tax
* Hunting License Tax
* Inflation
* Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
* Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
* IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
* Liquor Tax
* Local Income Tax
* Luxury Taxes
* Marriage License Tax
* Medicare Tax
* Property Tax
* Real Estate Tax
* Septic Permit Tax
* Service Charge Taxes
* Social Security Tax
* Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
* Sales Taxes
* Recreational Vehicle Tax
* Road Toll Booth Taxes
* School Tax
* State Income Tax
* State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
* Telephone federal excise tax
* Telephone federal universal service fee tax
* Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
* Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
* Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
* Telephone state and local tax
* Telephone usage charge tax
* Toll Bridge Taxes
* Toll Tunnel Taxes
* Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
* Trailer Registration Tax
* Utility Taxes
* Vehicle License Registration Tax
* Vehicle Sales Tax
* Watercraft Registration Tax
* Well Permit Tax
* Workers Compensation Tax

Source: http://www.nowandfutures.com/taxes.html


Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids. What the hell happened?

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Progressives represent people who care for the poor and the middle class,

-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy

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Odumba is financially illiterate. Who new?

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FAIL!

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U.S. households in the top 20 percent of the income distribution own well more than 80 percent of the nation's wealth.

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We need distributive justice.

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We need distributive justice.

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We have that. It's called gainful employment.

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Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids. What the hell happened?

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Says Western Jobs on Farms Are Myths; Bowery Mission Makes a Test of a Demand From Nebraska for 1,000 Men; Told All Places Are Filled; The Bread Line Diminishing, but Secretary Earl Estimates There Are Still 150,000 Idle Men the City

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Yeah, 1909, those were the days. No Unions, low taxes, none of these pesky safety and environmental regulations. No Social Security taxes. Lower health care costs. A robber baron could keep almost all his profits! Life was grand!

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Yeah, 1909, those were the days. No Unions, low taxes, none of these pesky safety and environmental regulations. No Social Security taxes. Lower health care costs. A robber baron could keep almost all his profits! Life was grand!

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Right, it was a lot harder for the stupid, undisciplined (drink?) and untalented before mooching became institutionalized. The left did great job of subverting our founding principiles.

I guess the real Americans (descendents of the original English colonists) became too lax. They let in too many immigrants from places where foreign collectivist philosophies prevail.

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Quite the opposite, my friend. The Reagan revolution would have never been possible without the influx of immigrants from places like Eastern Europe and Cuba. Those people had experienced socialist "progressive" ideas in practice and were, therefore, naturally drawn to the political philosophy based on ideas such as individual responsibility and capitalism. On the other hand, the baby boomer generation, largely consisting of "pure" Americans of Anglo or German ethnic background along with some Italians and other western European ethnicities was completely in love with communism, resulting in such wonders as Jimmy Carter and George McGovern.

Don't believe me? Look at all those old farts controlling liberal institutions like the Democratic party or departments of gender studies and humanities in general at the collages and universities. You won't find any immigrants among them.

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American culture was devastated when its newspapers began being owned by "progressive" Jewish gold traders from Europe with names like Sulzberger and Pulitzer. Jewish immigrant labor leaders like Samuel Gompers built massive organizations that became havens for all manner of communists and socialist scum for decades. Jewish immigrant radical writers like Emma Goldman were all about seducing our idiot college kids with romanticized interpretations of communism. And let's not forget that Italians and Jews introduced organized crime to American cities. All of this was new to America at the turn of the last century

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American culture was devastated when its newspapers began being owned by "progressive" Jewish gold traders from Europe with names like Sulzberger and Pulitzer. Jewish immigrant labor leaders like Samuel Gompers built massive organizations that became havens for all manner of communists and socialist scum for decades. Jewish immigrant radical writers like Emma Goldman were all about seducing our idiot college kids with romanticized interpretations of communism. And let's not forget that Italians and Jews introduced organized crime to American cities. All of this was new to America at the turn of the last century. Who knows what later problems could have been avoided with by keeping earlier immigration policies in place (which favored the types of people already here - English, Scottish, Dutch, German etc).

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Ah, now I get it. Politics and economics has nothing to do with it. You're just some neo-nazi racist piece of shit.

Sorry. If I'd realized that a lot sooner it would have saved a lot of time.

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American culture was devastated when its newspapers began being owned by "progressive" Jewish gold traders from Europe with names like Sulzberger and Pulitzer. Jewish immigrant labor leaders like Samuel Gompers built massive organizations that became havens for all manner of communists and socialist scum for decades. Jewish immigrant radical writers like Emma Goldman were all about seducing our idiot college kids with romanticized interpretations of communism. And let's not forget that Italians and Jews introduced organized crime to American cities. All of this was new to America at the turn of the last century. Who knows what later problems could have been avoided with by keeping earlier immigration policies in place (which favored the types of people already here - English, Scottish, Dutch, German etc).

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Ah, now I get it. Politics and economics has nothing to do with it. You're just some neo-nazi racist piece of shit.

Sorry. If I'd realized that a lot sooner it would have saved a lot of time.

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American culture was devastated when its newspapers began being owned by "progressive" Jewish gold traders from Europe with names like Sulzberger and Pulitzer. Jewish immigrant labor leaders like Samuel Gompers built massive organizations that became havens for all manner of communists and socialist scum for decades. Jewish immigrant radical writers like Emma Goldman were all about seducing our idiot college kids with romanticized interpretations of communism. And let's not forget that Italians and Jews introduced organized crime to American cities. All of this was new to America at the turn of the last century. Who knows what later problems could have been avoided with by keeping earlier immigration policies in place (which favored the types of people already here - English, Scottish, Dutch, German etc).

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Ah, now I get it. Politics and economics has nothing to do with it. You're just some neo-nazi racist piece of shit.

Sorry. If I'd realized that a lot sooner it would have saved a lot of time.

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how about refuting my factual points?

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And considering some of the ones I have started I'm complimenting the OP.

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It is far less interesting and thought provoking than your "Florida Bestiality Ban Nears" contribution.

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Yeah, but I try

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You come off as an ignorant slave to your beliefs

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i just try to post bizarre news stories. Take that for what you will

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What fields were your degrees in again? I don't remember.

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What ARCADE did you say you worked at? LOL

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You're correct about this thread. It is far less interesting and thought provoking than your "Florida Bestiality Ban Nears" contribution.

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For the love of God, please post more links to news stories saying Florida might change bestiality laws.

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Wow, you're to ignorant to recognize that working at an arcade means you couldn't possibly be a bigger loser. I'd be more proud of a job at Taco Bell.

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British Cabinet Chief Gus O'Donnell says the new Obama government is almost impossible to work with. He is having trouble even getting in touch with key personnel. “There is nobody there". “You cannot believe how difficult it is.”

Maybe everyone is in the conga line every time he calls!

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He means there is nobody is the senior positions at the Treasury. In the middle of the worst economic meltdown since WW2 Obama has filled one (1) of the 19 top positions at Treasury. There were a couple of nominations Monday. There is a holdover as assistant secretary for terrorist financing, not likely to play a leading role in this crisis.

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And since you're from Canada, you must really know what the fuck you're talking about.

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And you should stop posting.

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He should stop posting at least till he produces evidence of his degrees. No?

So far the only education Coke can prove he has is an elementary school one.

Yet he has claimed to have so much more...

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The only thing coke is qualified to do is suck cock, but then again, that's how he got his degrees anyway.

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He should stop posting at least till he produces evidence of his degrees. No?

So far the only education Coke can prove he has is an elementary school one.

Yet he has claimed to have so much more...

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You have my elementary school records? Please mail them, I could use a copy.

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Go back to your little boy games now and leave the real thinking to the adults.

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American culture was devastated when its newspapers began being owned by "progressive" Jewish gold traders from Europe with names like Sulzberger and Pulitzer. Jewish immigrant labor leaders like Samuel Gompers built massive organizations that became havens for all manner of communists and socialist scum for decades. Jewish immigrant radical writers like Emma Goldman were all about seducing our idiot college kids with romanticized interpretations of communism. And let's not forget that Italians and Jews introduced organized crime to American cities. All of this was new to America at the turn of the last century. Who knows what later problems could have been avoided with by keeping earlier immigration policies in place (which favored the types of people already here - English, Scottish, Dutch, German etc).


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Ah, now I get it. Politics and economics has nothing to do with it. You're just some neo-nazi racist piece of shit.

Sorry. If I'd realized that a lot sooner it would have saved a lot of time

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This is a teachable moment. Facts are dismissed out of hand by idiot liberals when they make them uncomfortable and don't fit their world view. Too bad I didn't make a typo or spelling error in that post. It would have been easier to subtly dismiss the following historical facts about how America was transformed around the turn of the last century:
-Jews from Europe with names like Sulzberger and Pulitzer began owning newspapers, which then became more "progressive" (self-interest for one's own group anyone?).
-Jewish immigrant labor leaders like Samuel Gompers were buliding labor organizations which became havens for all manner of commies and pinkos.
-Jewish immigrant radical writers like Emma Goldman were seducing our idiot college kids with romanticized interpretations of communism.
-Italian and Jew immigrants were introducing organized crime to American cities.
-Earlier immigration policies specifically favored the ethnic groups already here (by population percentage), so anti-Americanism/anti-capitalism/gangsterism had not yet been an issue.
Go ahead libs, do your thing! lol

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You better report for duty at stormfront.org. They can help you 'claim victory'.

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Jewish immigrant labor leaders like Samuel Gompers were buliding labor organizations which became havens for all manner of commies and pinkos.

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