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#399776 - 02/16/09 10:14 AM Gunker to Pay 1900% Beer Tax Increase
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PORTLAND, Ore. -- Five Oregon state lawmakers want to impose a hefty tax on beer and have introduced a bill that brewers say would cripple them.

Four Portland legislators joined a Springfield senator to introduce Oregon House Bill 2461, which would impose a $49.61 tax on each barrel of beer produced by Oregon brewers.

The tax would raise revenue for the state at a time when budgets are running in the red. Specifically, the bill says it would fund prevention, treatment and recovery programs for those addicted to alcohol and other substances.

It also defends the tax by claiming alcoholism and “untreated substance abuse” costs the state $4.15 billion in “lost earnings” as well as more than $8 million for health care and nearly $1 billion in law enforcement-related expenditures.

HB 2461 claims Oregon ranks 49th among states in its malt beverage taxation rate, which has not been raised in 32 years.

Brewers say it’s that low tax that makes Oregon such an attractive business climate for crafting beers, though. The state’s brewery guild claims it would also amount to the single largest beer tax hike in the nation's history.

Laurelwood Public House & Brewing Co. owner Mike De Kalb said the tax may sound like a good idea in this economic climate, but that in reality it would cost more Oregonians their jobs and would only amount to about $140 million in new tax revenue for the state.

Meanwhile, it would cost beer drinkers about $315 million as breweries are forced to pass along the tax increase.

“We’re a family-owned, local Portland business. We don’t want to see something cost taxpayers more than the revenue it would bring in,” De Kalb said. “If that tax is passed it would mean consumers would pay $315 million more (in 2009) to buy the same amount of beer they bought in 2008. A pint of beer would go from $4.50 to $6.”

De Kalb said Oregon would potentially lose its prominence as a craft-brew destination and that some small breweries could potentially go out of business.

He said Laurelwood could possibly face job cuts as well.

Prior versions of the beer tax bill have exempted small breweries but this one does not, he added.

House Bill 2461 has been introduced by Portland Reps. Ben Cannon and Michael Dembrow, Portland Sens. Jackie Dingfelder and Diane Rosenbaum, and Springfield Sen. William Morrisette.





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#399777 - 02/16/09 04:06 PM Re: Gunker to Pay 1900% Beer Tax Increase
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#399778 - 02/16/09 09:39 PM Re: Gunker to Pay 1900% Beer Tax Increase
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Yep, throw the tax on the beer that average people buy, not the expensive wine and scotch the lobbyists buy for politicians. Sounds like they need to sharpen the pitchforks and get some torches ready.
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#399779 - 02/17/09 12:33 AM Re: Gunker to Pay 1900% Beer Tax Increase
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Yep, throw the tax on the beer that average people buy, not the expensive wine and scotch the lobbyists buy for politicians. Sounds like they need to sharpen the pitchforks and get some torches ready.




Then i approve. I'm all for punishing people who shitty beer.
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#399780 - 02/17/09 01:22 AM Re: Gunker to Pay 1900% Beer Tax Increase
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are you saying the above specimen is Gunker?
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#399781 - 02/17/09 01:37 AM Re: Gunker to Pay 1900% Beer Tax Increase
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Drinkers of Budweiser, Miller, Coors, and other such crap beer, yes even Pabst for the hipsturds, should be taxed. Unfortunately, the bottom of the article implies that small breweries will also be taxed. Those breweries are usually quality, and I'd hate to see them go. Screw you, Oregon.
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#399782 - 02/17/09 02:42 PM Re: Gunker to Pay 1900% Beer Tax Increase
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Budweiser, Miller, Coors

My toilet and colon get angry with me when I drink these domestic beers. I stick with Becks and we are all one happy family.
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#399783 - 02/17/09 02:54 PM Re: Gunker to Pay 1900% Beer Tax Increase
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If I'm going to do some serious drinking and not go broke then Bud, Coors and Miller are easily acceptable. If I want beer with taste then I will go with the micro-brews.

Anyone ever go on the brewery tour of Anchor in San Francisco? Good times at the tasting afterwards.
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#399784 - 02/17/09 02:57 PM Re: Gunker to Pay 1900% Beer Tax Increase
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Doubtful it will pass...sounds about as real of a possibility as the "porn taxes" a few politicians roll out at the state level during re-election season that never go through.

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“If that tax is passed it would mean consumers would pay $315 million more (in 2009) to buy the same amount of beer they bought in 2008. A pint of beer would go from $4.50 to $6.”




They're probably shitty brewers because they don't know their math:
$49.16 proposed tax per Barrel
A 15 gallon keg (What most American beers are made in) is a 1/2 Barrel
There's 100-110 pints of beer in a 15 gallon keg (foam, density, beer loss play a role in the difference though it measures up to 120 pints per keg)

Its not $1.50 proposed per pint, its one-sixth that, only .25 cents based on the 200 pints per Barrel number. Less if you figure the full 240 pints per barrel.

I'm not sure if there would be an actual change in price of most Oregon-produced beers if the tax even passes; hops prices have skyrocketed in the last two years which most Oregon beers focus on. Hops prices have supposedly started falling again (I haven't been in the beer biz for six months now), but I saw a $15 to $20 increase while purchasing high-hops beers the last few years, especially with Oregon beers. It might make a giant difference with shitty $50 Budweiser kegs (if its even made up there) but a lot of Oregon craft beer kegs were in the $120-$150 range for me.

I do love me Rogue Brewing; probably the best brewery outside of San Diego.

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#399785 - 02/18/09 01:01 AM Re: Gunker to Pay 1900% Beer Tax Increase
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Anyone ever go on the brewery tour of Anchor in San Francisco? Good times at the tasting afterwards.




Yes. Awesome. Anchor is my fave US beer to this day.

I also did the Carlsberg Tour in Copenhagen - that was a shitshow we drank fucking gallons of the stuff - they just kept putting pitchers on the table.
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#399786 - 02/20/09 08:56 PM Re: Gunker to Pay 1900% Beer Tax Increase
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I would be okay with a tax increase with a generous exception for the Oregon craft brewers and a somewhat-generous exception for out-of-state craft brewers.

It is true that our current beer tax is very low and has helped to nurture the craft brewing industry in Oregon. Also, the Oregon beer lobby has been very effective in keeping the tax low and effecting beer-beneficial regulation.

As to hard liquor, we have the second-highest (at least, the last I heard) taxes in the country, only behind Washington (Damn! No border run option!).

Not so coincidentally, on President's Day weekend, Oregon brewers had their "first annual Zwickelmania, a one day event similar to the open houses held by Oregon wineries over Memorial Day and Thanksgiving weekends.
Zwickelmania, hosted by the Oregon Brewers Guild (OBG), is a free statewide event that offers visitors a chance to tour Oregon breweries, meet the brewers and sample their favorite beers - all during Oregon’s Sesquicentennial weekend."

And here's an article on how it went:

http://blog.oregonlive.com/thebeerhere/2009/02/zwickelmanian_was_a_big_succes.html

"Widmer where they had several hundred people throughout the afternoon; Alan Sprints at Hair of the Dog reckoned he had 300 at his brewery; Ben Flerchinger figured he had at least as many at the Lucky Lab Beer Hall on Quimby; and Kevin King at Amnesia said the place was slammed for six hours and that they were giving tours every 20 minutes."



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#399787 - 02/20/09 09:06 PM Re: Gunker to Pay 1900% Beer Tax Increase
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Giving a tax break only to Oregon based breweries would probably violate the Interstate Commerce Clause of the Constitution. Maybe they could use a sliding scale based upon volume instead.

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#399788 - 02/20/09 11:46 PM Re: Gunker to Pay 1900% Beer Tax Increase
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are you saying the above specimen is Gunker?









Still waiting for an answer. Is this disgusting tub o'lard Gunker? It would explain so much.

Jesus Christ, look at how much fat there is to that 2nd chin.
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#399789 - 02/21/09 05:51 AM Re: Gunker to Pay 1900% Beer Tax Increase
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#399790 - 02/22/09 08:39 AM Re: Gunker to Pay 1900% Beer Tax Increase
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No exceptions, gunkabator. I know from the cabinet selections that democrats don't like to pay taxes. Levy, yes. Pay, not so much. Just remember Joe B. and pay your taxes you unpatriotic piece of filth.

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