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#398171 - 02/09/09 05:00 PM
Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/27/07
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click"A federally funded study on Megan's Law in New Jersey has found that it does not deter first-time sex offenders or help prevent convicted sex offenders from re-offending... The study, released Thursday, concludes that there is little evidence, despite the popularity of the sex-offender notification laws, that they are effective."
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#398172 - 02/09/09 06:06 PM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
Posts: 10321
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I don't know how effective ANY law is at deterring criminals, especially sex offenders who by every source I read are rehab-resistant. But any register that allows normal citizens to know there are sex-offenders in their neighborhood is a good thing.
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#398173 - 02/09/09 06:10 PM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Porn Icon
Registered: 02/04/05
Posts: 3499
Loc: The Dirty: 480
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I'm all for the death penalty in most of these cases. That might make for a good deterrent. Could we at least get mandatory castration? Hyde says "Nooooooooo! I can never travel to Palm Springs again!" 
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#398174 - 02/09/09 06:16 PM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/27/07
Posts: 4795
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While I was living in PA a Megan's Law type guy moved into the neighborhood. It took around 48 hours for him to move away.
My awesome crazy ex-cop neighbor went to the dude's house with a gun and a shovel and explained how things would work if he stayed.
In my experience Megan's Law worked pretty well.
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#398175 - 02/09/09 06:21 PM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Porn Icon
Registered: 02/04/05
Posts: 3499
Loc: The Dirty: 480
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See now that makes me happy. It takes a village.
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#398176 - 02/09/09 06:30 PM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/27/07
Posts: 4795
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Nobody wants to live across the street from a guy who preys on children. I think the threat that he needed to leave was perfectly fair.
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#398177 - 02/09/09 06:32 PM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/27/07
Posts: 4795
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Had I been a gun owner and a parent I would have went and threatened him as well.
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#398178 - 02/09/09 06:59 PM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 5290
Loc: Dayton
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I disagree with this law, and always have. It is cruel and unusual punishment. It leads to the type of vigilantism that has been praised in this thread.
If the offender has served their time, they should be allowed to re-enter society. If they (plural) are not ready to re-enter society, laws need to be changed. Some offenders may need to be permanently removed from society.
This law has been used to put a scarlet letter on people who have committed minor offenses (pun). Really, folks who have done little things, like maybe having unwittingly downloaded child porn, or remarked about the weather to an undercover cop in a park bathroom, or pinched an ass, or peed in a public place? Should they be announced to all their neighbors as a sex criminal? Should we let real, dangerous sex criminals back into society? Should we allow folks like Conq to be moved to criminal actions like threatening someone with a deadly weapon? Is this not wrong?
I say, for true child rapists, not statutory rape, but an adult forcing them-self on a child, there needs to be a way to remove the person from society permanently. For lesser sex offenders, once time is served and appropriate treatment and counseling offered, they should report to probation authorities, but in no case should these notifications be made.
I think if I had to go tell all the neighbors I was a drunk, I might just become one again.
Either lock 'em up forever, or let 'em have a chance if you let 'em go. Half the dudes on the thing around here are gays who got caught blowing someone through a movie gloryhole, or some poor married fool who was on the other side.
Go after Pee Wee Herman, man, let's kick that pervert's ass!
-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy
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#398179 - 02/09/09 07:01 PM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Human Garbage
Registered: 05/08/07
Posts: 1681
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Last summer two rough looking dudes from my neighbourhood informed me that a convicted pedophile had just moved into a rental unit around the corner from me. They assured me that they were working diligently to remove him from the block.
They started spray painting his car repeatedly and calling him out in public until the diddler finally upped and left.
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#398180 - 02/09/09 07:04 PM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/27/07
Posts: 4795
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Chuck, honestly I would feel angry about a child molester moving in across the street from me. And I did feel that way. I just don't get how that situation could be resolved in a peaceful way.
Obviously I haven't got to threaten him but why would I EVER be okay with a child molester across the street. Why should I accept that?
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#398182 - 02/09/09 07:20 PM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/27/07
Posts: 4795
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I get your point and the only thing that I can say that makes sense is that I live in Canada now and where I live doesn't have Megan's Law and citizens also aren't allowed to keep weapons where they live.
A person in Toronto is allowed to own guns, but they have to be stored at a shooting range or club that you belong to, it would be impossible to threaten a neighbor with a gun here unless you wanted to break a heap of laws. Serious ones.
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#398183 - 02/09/09 07:22 PM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
Posts: 10321
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The laws for sex-offenders should be strengthened. Pedophiles in particular never recover. Execution or keeping them away from the kids is about the only sure way to cure their ills. Until this is done- at least an up to date web-savvy parent knows some freak is more than likely watching their daughter out his back window.
And Charin: Now your RV ownership makes a lot more sense.
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#398184 - 02/09/09 07:28 PM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Gag Factor Guru
Porn Jesus
Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 5290
Loc: Dayton
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@B Don't go there. Really, I haven't cleaned up after that last one.  -Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy
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#398185 - 02/09/09 07:57 PM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 02/20/07
Posts: 54
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I have a degree in criminal justice, and every study that I have ever seen, and all of the research that I have come across, has shown that one of the greatest triggers for re-offending with regard to sex offenders is stress. The more stress that they are subjected to, the greater the chance they will re-offend. Consequently, laws such as Megan's Law, though they sound nice to some people, actually have the absolutely opposite effect than their intended purpose.
By causing a stressful situation for the offender who ostensibly "paid their debt to society," they actually make it even more likely that they will re-offend, causing even higher rates of recidivism.
Another unintended consequence ironically is that Megan's Law has caused numerous sex offenders to have to go "underground." Since Megan's Law has gone in to effect, the number of sex offenders who have "dropped off the face of the earth," has risen dramatically. Consequently, parole/probation officers who used to be able to monitor said sex offenders with less problems, are now totally losing touch with them all because the offender has essentially been forced to go underground and live under an assumed identity so as to live an existence free of the vigalante mentality that so many Americans have. Thus, by losing their whereabouts, following the stressful situation, society is put at greater risk.
Fact of the matter is, as stated in a previous post, people must be given the opportunity to pay their debt to society, and then have the opportunity to live out their lives as a law abiding citizen. I'd agree that people who prey on children are some of the lowest forms of offenders, but knee jerk laws that ultimately always seem to have serious unintended consequences are not the answer. Furthermore, the use of capital punishment (as suggested in a previous post) in these cases, the fact that the Supreme Court recently shot down a Louisiana law that allowed for this not withstanding (violation of 8th Amendment...cruel and unusual punishment), is not the answer either. One obvious unintended consequence of such an allowence would seem to be the lack of an incentive to let the victim live. Possibly contrary to popular belief, most sex crime victims are not killed. However, I would suspect that when faced with the prospect of facing death either way (for sexually assualting a child, or killing the child), a sex offender might actually see an incentive in killing the victim as to silence them and, albeit in a perverted way (pardon the pun), possibly increase the chances of them getting away with the initial crime (the sexual assault).
Remember, with every law that is the result of a knee jerk reaction, there are always unintended, and often very serious, consequences. Whereas people might "feel safer," the absolute opposite might actually be the case.
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#398186 - 02/09/09 08:01 PM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 08/23/06
Posts: 635
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as a heterosexual white male, alls i know is that there needs to be somefuckinbody's house i'm allowed to show up at with a shotgun and a shovel. things have gotten too complicated, and it's stressing me out.
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#398187 - 02/09/09 11:45 PM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 01/30/08
Posts: 7599
Loc: a site known for its tolerance...
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Is Megan's
Law national? I know in some parts of the country a 'sex offender' can be something as lame as an 18 year-old fucking his 16 year old girlfriend and getting caught. Maybe if there wasn't stuff like that going on I'd be a little more in favour of this kinda stuff....
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#398190 - 02/10/09 04:56 AM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/23/04
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Indeed. People, don't stress your pedos. You make them do it.
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#398192 - 02/10/09 05:13 AM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 09/07/05
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Loc: NYC
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^^^It's like that entire study was about Brandon. Who is also Canadian btw.
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#398195 - 02/10/09 07:57 PM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 08/23/06
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I have a degree in criminal justice, and every study that I have ever seen, and all of the research that I have come across, has shown that one of the greatest triggers for re-offending with regard to sex offenders is stress. The more stress that they are subjected to, the greater the chance they will re-offend. Consequently, laws such as Megan's Law, though they sound nice to some people, actually have the absolutely opposite effect than their intended purpose.
well, there you go, a lawless and stress free environment is the answer for stopping the pedos. it's like "the beach" minus that cunt tilda swinton and her control issues. pedotopia at last.
yeah seriously fuck that faggot. we only got two choices and he is obviously advocating the one where we let these freaks rape with impunity and like build them fancy beach houses where we deliver our children to them for easy raping in a laid-back and picturesque setting.
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#398196 - 02/10/09 10:31 PM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 03/22/06
Posts: 6557
Loc: 2004 - the glory days
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hey simp, how's it going? Quote:
...we let these freaks rape with impunity and like build them fancy beach houses where we deliver our children to them for easy raping in a laid-back and picturesque setting.
clubmed phuket, thailand ftw! have you been? I'm guessing reducing teh stress is counterproductive tho, that really fucks with the itinerary when stress levels aren't at maximum capacity.
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#398197 - 02/11/09 07:56 AM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 08/23/06
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i like your signature, teh king.
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#398198 - 02/11/09 08:26 PM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 03/22/06
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Loc: 2004 - the glory days
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thanks. it was a difficult concept for me to grasp but that John Scherer really is something. copy and paste, people! who knew such wonders existed!
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#398199 - 02/12/09 06:54 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 02/20/07
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I have a degree in criminal justice, and every study that I have ever seen, and all of the research that I have come across, has shown that one of the greatest triggers for re-offending with regard to sex offenders is stress. The more stress that they are subjected to, the greater the chance they will re-offend. Consequently, laws such as Megan's Law, though they sound nice to some people, actually have the absolutely opposite effect than their intended purpose.
well, there you go, a lawless and stress free environment is the answer for stopping the pedos. it's like "the beach" minus that cunt tilda swinton and her control issues. pedotopia at last.
yeah seriously fuck that faggot. we only got two choices and he is obviously advocating the one where we let these freaks rape with impunity and like build them fancy beach houses where we deliver our children to them for easy raping in a laid-back and picturesque setting.
That's not what I said at all. All I said was that when you create an environment where they are released from prison, and an environment it intentionally created whereby they are essentially unable to get a place to live and settle down and live a law abiding life, what is really gained? Essentially, you are basically assuring up to two things are going to happen. The 1st thing that is likely top happen is that the person will probably go "underground" and drop off the radar screen (likely with an assumed name). The 2nd thing that will likely happen is that the person will re-offend. I don't know about you, but I'd feel a whole hell of a lot safer knowing that atleast probation/parole officers know where the offenders are living & they would be less likely, even if it were only slightly, to offend. As much as you might love Megan's Law and such efforts, it has only led to more offenders disappearing off the radar screens of those who are sworn to protect us from them. Does it really make you feel safer not knowing where they are? I'm not advocating putting them up in a palace or anything, but I believe one's debt to society has to be considered paid at some point in time, or what's the sense. Of course they could attach ankle braclets on said offenders for life to monitor their whereabouts. However, that would be cost prohibitive, the braclet could be cut off, and any other number of things could happen.
I just believe that good parenting and supervision is the best protection a child could ever have. Futhermore, Megan's Law doesn't totally apply solely to child sex offenders, so where do we draw the line? Of course, one could take the law into their own hands and take it upon themselves to "take care of" any sex offender who moved into their neighborhood. However, I assure you that the very same criminal justice system that may secretly wish you would do just that, will of course take care of you to the fullest extent of the law.
I believe that laws that do not work, and cause more problems than were anticipated are not the answer. I believe that practical laws that do not cause the very offenders who need monitoring to disappear surely makes more sense. Where am I wrong there? If the person is that much a danger to society, then they should never be released. If they are deemed safe to be released from prison, they should be allowed the opportunity to lead a law abidding life free from vigilantism, which aside from the possible case where someone might actually kill an offender who moved into their neighborhod (which a lot of communities make virtually impossible to begin with due to rules about not living withing a certain distance of many different places....which makes virtually every residence out of bounds), and then going to prison themselves, which will only lead to making us less safe because we don't know where they are living (because they go underground).
On the surface, Megan's Law wouldn't be a problem. However, due to the fact that so many communities make it virtually impossible to find a place to live that would not be in violation of proximity to certain places rules, coupled with the vigilante mentality that is so pervasive in out society, unfortunately it isn't practical.
Again, I pose the question: How are we made any safer by Megan's Law if it leads to more offenders dropping off the radar screen?
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#398200 - 02/12/09 07:32 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 11/27/07
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I forgot to mention something in my story about my crazy neighbor scaring the pedo out of our neighborhood.
The house the guy moved into is about 50 yards from an elementary school (Panorama school in Boalsburg, PA) and 100 yards from a middle school (Mount Nittany Middle school).
I do see the point about someone doing their time and being allowed to live freely afterward but in this case the location he picked was more than a little bit inappropriate. There was an unobstructed view of the elementary school playground.
I tried to find an areal/satellite photo to show what I mean but all I could come up with was a topographical geological survey map.
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#398201 - 02/12/09 03:27 PM
Re: Study: Megan's Law Ineffective
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 145
Loc: Whoreville
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I went to jail for working at a porn store in Dallas. My "crime" was a misdemeanor (Pandering Obscenity) and I do not have to register as a Sex Offender.
HOWEVER, I have been evicted from apartments and denied jobs because my crimes were "sexual in nature".
So for all of you stating that the penalties and laws need to be tougher...Fuck You, Fuck You very much. Yeah, I REALLY trust a bunch of do-gooder local politicians to not try to tie in stupid non-threatening crimes into law.
Besides, most children that are molested are done so by a family member, not me and Max Hardcore.
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