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#396627 - 02/03/09 06:47 AM Buy American
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EU attacks 'Buy American' clause

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The clause seeks to ensure that only US iron, steel and manufactured goods are used in projects funded by the bill.

A European Commission spokesman said it was the "worst possible signal" the Obama administration could send out.

The EU will launch a complaint with the World Trade Organisation (WTO) if the clause remains, the spokesman said.

The EU and Canadian ambassadors to Washington have already warned that the clause could promote protectionism and trigger retaliatory moves.

The rescue plan has already been approved by the US House of Representatives and is under discussion in the Senate this week.





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Who thinks we should put a buy American only clause in the Porkulus bill currently being debated in the Senate? I would like to see this clause with an exception only for our free trade partners.

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#396628 - 02/03/09 07:04 AM Re: Buy American
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And so it begins. Europe and the rest of the world will be obama's "friend" , only so long as it suits their interests. This topic and when he begins to ask for some of their troops for afghanistan should prover this point. Bear in mind Afghanistan is not Iraq, all of our friends were on our side in that war- there is no more bush- lets see all the cooperation Obama can muster for these issues.

On topic- I agree with you HAve 2- america only except with free trade partners.
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#396629 - 02/03/09 07:11 AM Re: Buy American
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Why not,it worked so well last time.
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#396630 - 02/03/09 07:37 AM Re: Buy American
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Why not,it worked so well last time.




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#396631 - 02/03/09 07:38 AM Re: Buy American
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On topic- I agree with you HAve 2- america only except with free trade partners.




You sir, are one of the most intelligent persons on this board.

I say let the Eurocrats try to bring it before the WTO. With their economy in worse tatters than our own they don't dare try any sanctions.

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#396632 - 02/03/09 07:59 AM Re: Buy American
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Why not,it worked so well last time.




What worked so well- asking for help in Afghanistan or something to do with free trade? Bush is gone, he was the devil to all europeans. Play nice and help a brotha out. Obama, new president new cooperation.
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#396633 - 02/03/09 08:10 AM Re: Buy American
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Some group of investors should start a store, or website, that only sells American made products. With so much about the failing economy and job losses, I would rather pay 15-25% more for a product, than more in taxes for those fucking dolts in DC to piss away.
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#396634 - 02/03/09 10:14 AM Re: Buy American
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Why not,it worked so well last time.




What worked so well- asking for help in Afghanistan or something to do with free trade? Bush is gone, he was the devil to all europeans. Play nice and help a brotha out. Obama, new president new cooperation.




No, the great depression. Protectionism makes things worse.

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#396635 - 02/03/09 10:57 AM Re: Buy American
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No, the great depression. Protectionism makes things worse.




Actually it worked well for the UK and Europe - as a consequence of US protectionism, we traded among ourselves and suffered a much smaller contraction in our economies than the US did during the 1930s. So knock yourselves out!



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#396636 - 02/03/09 12:15 PM Re: Buy American
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Most of Europe has had these same kinds of protectionist laws in place for many years -- maybe they recently removed them, but I know as recently as the late 90s, if you wanted to sell computers or other merchandise there, you had to have factories employing Europeans located over there.

I was always puzzled at why they would force global conglomerates to put a piddly factory in Ireland or Wales just to get permission to sell over there; but maybe that just seemed odd because the innovation and manufacturing centers for these kinds of goods were typically west coast USA, or the far east (and still are).

My understanding of why steel production, for example, was outsourced from USA to other countries was because of the polluting nature of the production facilities (byproducts leaving toxins in rivers and streams). Many of the former steel producing states now have stricter pollution laws in place than other developing nations. The proposed legislation supporting domestic steel could force cleaner steel production methods to be developed as a byproduct of the American steel industry expanding again. Everyone wins.

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#396637 - 02/03/09 02:24 PM Re: Buy American
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The biggest reason for the Steel, Textile, and Manufacturing industries fleeing over seas is UNIONS. Now there is a valid use for Unions, but every time there is a contract negotiation, the Union leaders need to show everyone what they got from management to justify their jobs. Same thing with our politicians, creating BS laws to justify their jobs.

In the steel industry, you go from paying a union guy $60/hour + benefits, to paying a Chinese guy $11 a week. EPA stuff factors in, but its nothing compared to the Medical Benefits and Pensions for workers. The oldest unions in our country were the first to have their industries flee. Walmart tries to bring crews of illegals to build new stores. A few years ago the AG in PA had 115 illegals rounded up at a Walmart construction site. Looking 10-20 years out, the only Unions that will probably be around are civil servants, i.e teachers, cops.
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#396638 - 02/03/09 11:44 PM Re: Buy American
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But this is not about industries fleeing oversees, this is simply a populist gesture. Campaign donors and unions need to be rewarded for being on the right side after all.
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#396639 - 02/04/09 04:57 AM Re: Buy American
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Actually it worked well for the UK and Europe - as a consequence of US protectionism, we traded among ourselves and suffered a much smaller contraction in our economies than the US did during the 1930s. So knock yourselves out!




Hitler was in power for almost all of the Great Depression. Or was there another major partner in Europe for the UK at the time?

The "Buy American" rule does bother me somewhat because it sure smells of Smoot-Hawley. I'd have to see how broad a "WTO conformer" exemption was to see if that would help.

It might be better to strengthen country-of-origin labeling laws by saying, for example, that an item can't be labeled as "Made in America" unless at least 50% of the total transformation costs are spent within the US. Kinda hard to apply that to computer software though.
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#396640 - 02/04/09 05:38 AM Re: Buy American
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As I said, we should open it up to our free trade partners as well. Doesn't matter anyway sounds like Obama is caving in and planting his tongue directly in to the EU's ass. We've had Bush so long I had forgotten what it's like to have a spineless president.

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#396641 - 02/04/09 07:14 AM Re: Buy American
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wait and see how Eu rewards Obama with cooperation on other issues.
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#396642 - 02/04/09 08:05 AM Re: Buy American
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^If by cooperation,you mean that they'll wear a condom,then yes,the Europeans will be very cooperative.
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#396643 - 02/06/09 11:02 PM Re: Buy American
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We've had Bush so long I had forgotten what it's like to have a spineless president.




Bush KICKED ASS for America!!! Woo-woo...WOOO!!!!

He defended our middle class like no other president since Hoover!!!

Let's start renaming institutions to honor this great man!

My first choice would be renaming H2C's street "Dubya Boulevard", then we will wait a month or so to see how that works out...

My prediction would be that the street signs would be stolen and sold on E-Bay while the entire street would be ironically covered in fly ash and/or a mass pig shit lagoon spill.

Because that's how the free market roll$!!!!

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#396644 - 02/07/09 06:06 AM Re: Buy American
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Woo-woo...WOOO!!!!
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#396645 - 02/09/09 03:48 PM Re: Buy American
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Bush KICKED ASS for America!!! Woo-woo...WOOO!!!!

He defended our middle class like no other president since Hoover!!!

Let's start renaming institutions to honor this great man!

My first choice would be renaming H2C's street "Dubya Boulevard", then we will wait a month or so to see how that works out...

My prediction would be that the street signs would be stolen and sold on E-Bay while the entire street would be ironically covered in fly ash and/or a mass pig shit lagoon spill.

Because that's how the free market roll$!!!!






You're just using a Chris Rock routine about streets named MLK. Although I can't really expect more from you than regurgitating another persons thoughts/ideas/political beliefs.

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#396646 - 02/11/09 08:14 PM Re: Buy American
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On The REEELAPASE board the word "nigger" was once filtered to say the word "friend" It was later changed to say "Richard Pryor RIP"

Also, someone once told me recently that a product can say made in USA even if only %10 of it is actually manufactured in the United States.

Also, fuck ovv.
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#396647 - 02/11/09 08:35 PM Re: Buy American
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What they're talking about is buying American made steel, concrete, and other construction materials for infrastructure projects, not the consumer crap sold at Walmarts.

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#396648 - 02/11/09 09:16 PM Re: Buy American
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Except there are hardly any American steel mills in operation, if any. And Cemex has bought all the redi-mix suppliers and on and on.

I'm not arguing with you h2cit, just lamenting the days of a mom and pop concrete or steel supplier.

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