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#396201 - 01/31/09 10:21 PM Obama's First:: Fair Pay
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obama

"The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act effectively nullifies a 2007 Supreme Court decision that denied Ledbetter an opportunity for redress.

Ledbetter, 70, has said she did not learn about the sizable discrepancy in pay between her and her male co-workers until near the end of her 19-year career at a Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. plant in Gadsden, Ala. She sued, but the high court said in a 5-4 decision that she missed her chance to bring the action.

The court said a person must file a discrimination claim within 180 days of a company's initial decision to pay a worker less than another doing the same job.

Under the new law, each new discriminatory paycheck would extend the statute of limitations for an additional 180 days. That was the interpretation before the Supreme Court was asked to step in."

Suck it, Supreme Court!

The Repug defense was that workers should be aware within the first 180 days of hiring, that they were being paid less than the norm, workplace ban on discussing pay notwithstanding!

Smells like...justice...

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#396202 - 01/31/09 11:24 PM Re: Obama's First:: Fair Pay
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Two things will happen as a result of this. One, cost of hiring employing people in America will increase, making American businesses less competitive, especially those unable to outsource or relocate production oversees. Two, all kinds of 'professional victims', lawyers will have another good source of income.
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#396203 - 01/31/09 11:38 PM Re: Obama's First:: Fair Pay
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#396204 - 01/31/09 11:51 PM Re: Obama's First:: Fair Pay
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obama should enact a law that requires all his prospective cabinet appointees pay their taxes. we're gonna need the money.
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#396205 - 02/01/09 05:46 AM Re: Obama's First:: Fair Pay
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I have no problem with this law. Or at least,with the intentions of this law.

Not sure how this is a win for Obama though. was he a champion of this bill when in the Senate?



As for Daschle......
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#396206 - 02/01/09 07:54 AM Re: Obama's First:: Fair Pay
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Two things will happen as a result of this. One, cost of hiring employing people in America will increase, making American businesses less competitive, especially those unable to outsource or relocate production oversees. Two, all kinds of 'professional victims', lawyers will have another good source of income.




So, you admit there has been unfair payroll discrimination, and you defend it because it will cost more to be fair? And you camp with the conservatives who claim the "moral high ground"?

-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy
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#396207 - 02/01/09 09:35 AM Re: Obama's First:: Fair Pay
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I only hope that Obama will have the courage to step in and get porn mopes' pay on par with the whores...
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#396208 - 02/01/09 11:53 AM Re: Obama's First:: Fair Pay
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Quote:

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Two things will happen as a result of this. One, cost of hiring employing people in America will increase, making American businesses less competitive, especially those unable to outsource or relocate production oversees. Two, all kinds of 'professional victims', lawyers will have another good source of income.




So, you admit there has been unfair payroll discrimination, and you defend it because it will cost more to be fair? And you camp with the conservatives who claim the "moral high ground"?

-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy




No, private employers should be free to hire who they want and salaries should be determined by free agreement between employer and employee. Discrimination should be prohibited in the public sector, because equality before law is necessary for democracy, but private sector should be left alone.

As for moral high ground, I strongly believe in traditional liberal ideal of state as 'night watchman'. That means that the role of the state is to enforce laws, based on natural law and not to make people behave morally.
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#396209 - 02/01/09 12:09 PM Re: Obama's First:: Fair Pay
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Discrimination should be prohibited in the public sector, because equality before law is necessary for democracy, but private sector should be left alone.




So, you are saying the private sector should be free to discriminate?

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#396210 - 02/01/09 12:17 PM Re: Obama's First:: Fair Pay
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Yes.
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#396211 - 02/01/09 01:31 PM Re: Obama's First:: Fair Pay
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Two things will happen as a result of this. One, cost of hiring employing people in America will increase, making American businesses less competitive, especially those unable to outsource or relocate production oversees.




Just so we're clear, the law does not create a new basis for discrimination. In the Ledbetter case, the US Supreme Court agreed the employer was guilty of illegal discrimination. The case failed because Ledbetter didn't know she was being shafted during the first six months of her employment, even though the discrimination lasted 19 years.

The new law removes the incentive for employers to HIDE the fact that they are breaking the laws that are already on the books, by re-setting the limitation period with each act of discrimination.

It's really an indefensible position to say that the US should encourage employers to illegally discriminate (and then conspire to hide it) so that the US manufacturing sector can compete on an international scale.

Why don't manufacturers just pay everyone equally (which they are required to do), but a little less?

Do Chinese/Mexican/Indonesian factories pay the women less to balance their budgets?


Edited by Soopergrizz (02/01/09 01:34 PM)
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#396212 - 02/01/09 08:33 PM Re: Obama's First:: Fair Pay
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Why don't manufacturers just pay everyone equally (which they are required to do), but a little less?




Because I like to pay my hard workers more than my slackers.

There has *never* been a point in time in over 20 years when I ever had two workers that were worth the same amount.
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#396213 - 02/01/09 08:42 PM Re: Obama's First:: Fair Pay
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There has *never* been a point in time in over 20 years when I ever had two workers that were worth the same amount.




Are you so sure that the women will be slackers that you start off paying them less?

Moreover, if you are basing pay on merit, wouldn't you want to tell them they are being paid differently, rather than hide it from them?
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