I'm curious how you treat alcoholics who show up to a meeting and decide AA isn't for them.

Would you continue to offer your support and be friendly or treat them as though (for lack of a better phrase) they had "left the fellowship"?

What troubles me it the exclusive club kind of attitude I see as opposed to seeing your fellow alcoholics suffering and saying "we're all in this together".

Obviously I "don't get it". And if that is the answer when people ask questions I'm not sure I want to "get it".

I can make Kool-Aid in my own kitchen, I don't need to sit in a church with a bunch of other drunks to enjoy Kool-Aid.

And you think it's "hilarious" when people try to find other solutions?

I find the taste of medicine a bit more palatable than Kool-Aid and slogans, why is that funny?

Fucking prejudiced bigot asshole. Remember how I said that EVERYONE is a bigot because nobody is perfect?

I'm not gonna say you don't deserve to have been born into western society but I am going to say that you have been incredibly narrow minded.

Yeah, I thought that's what this was all about. Trying to beat up on the guy who called you out for your racism, in his AA thread. The one place you knew I would reply to you.

I'm only attempting to hold up a mirror. I admitted that I can be a bigot. Can you?

I can see you have displayed blind contempt for people who do things differently than you do. Rise above it and just admit you can be prejudiced too, or don't.

I'm not even talking racial prejudice, I'm talking other people's efforts to become sober because they aren't taking the same path as you.

That is the exact same thing you have been accusing other posters of.

Some folks go to doctors who are educated in the field of medicine. Some people go to homeopaths. See where I'm going with this?

EDIT: AND I didn't show up here to beat up on you. I have posted before about finding your stories interesting. I was responding to another poster's assertion that AA had some kind of long track record of success. It doesn't. It also isn't some kind of weird freaky coincidence that the majority of posters feel that way.

Back in the 90s when I visited AA and NA groups it was a no-no for the NA people to mention that they went to NA or that they abused anything but alcohol at an AA meeting. The drunks would cop an attitude or question the presence of a non-alcohol substance abuser. It was kind of funny and really sad at the same time. Drunks seem to feel superior to other types of drug addicts who are trying to recover and might be looking for a little extra support or whose schedule or transportation wouldn't let them find an NA meeting somewhere.

My point was more that it isn't hilarious when people develop drugs to help with addiction.

I was trying to point out that rational skepticism favors the examination of new approaches over sticking to the approach that hasn't been proven in 60+ years.

Look at the title of the study:

Quote:

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Alcoholics Anonymous membership may decrease alcohol-related homicides

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Doesn't that scream for a "no shit, Sherlock"?

I chuckle at the drug solutions for two reasons. First, they simply never seem to work. Second, the guys with the beakers don't understand what we have here is much more than abstinence, it is a wonderful new way of life. Just like BDM said.

Both AA historically, and me personally, have always been supportive of other approaches. Look back to where I posted that over half of us have had additional counseling or treatment.

The recovery portion of the thread is
on the first several pages.

For rationalizations for drinking
alone in front of your computer,
see the last few pages.

Hey conq., how's it goin'

http://alcoholic-drifter.blogspot.com

21 years today. One day at a time.

Congrats Chuck. All jokes aside I know that at first it had to be very tough.

I like breaking your balls, but good for you, if that is what it takes.

You should celebrate with a few ice cold brews. It's only some beers, you can handle that easily.

I just did a searching and fearless moral inventory.

I bet you didn't throw out any Gag Factor DVD's ! :-)

Good for you. If it works for you, it works.

Best paper I've read on the efficacy of AA-

http://hindsfoot.org/recout01.pdf

Basically, what Bill W. said decades ago still holds up. 3 or 4 out of 5 who initially come to a meeting don't stick. Maybe they come back later. Of those who stay and really try, about half achieve long term sobriety from the start. Another quarter make it after a slip or few.

Like I have observed, if you can tough it out for 3 months and get through a fourth and fifth step, you have a good chance at a sober, happy life. It works if you work it.

Never thought I'd see a Step Meeting thread on a porn board. My name is Meat and I am an alcoholic. My sobriety date is 3-15-04. I have a sponsor.

Chuck gots a new friend.

From my online group, mod brings up a topic:



And gets this immediate reply:

that's a passive aggressive response. He's indirectly implying that he should have eliminated those that could be threats to him today. Boot that fucker from the group before he brings the rest of you down with him.

I've been wanting to do some 13th steppin' lately.

considering I think the first step should be puke and rally I'm not even gonna ask what the 13th step is.

From my little home group - Monday my sponsor had 31 years, tomorrow Kathleen will have 36 years, Saturday Lou will have 38 years, and next Tuesday I will have 22 years. It works!

Congrats! I have to go to a meeting this week.

23 years today, One Day at a Time.

wow 23 years.
that's great Chuck...good for you.

Good for you, man.

Good Job, Chuck.

No tell us your tales of traveling this summer.

I got blackout drunk last week and apparently left my (empty) wallet and iPhone in a taxicab. I was looking all over the house for them and decided the cab driver had just stolen my shit. The next day, I got a call from the police saying a Good Samaritan was walking along the street on the complete other side of town and found my shit and turned it into the police. I picked my stuff up and not a single thing was missing from my wallet and my phone is in almost perfect condition. Therefore, I learned nothing from this experience.

So do you guys actually meet out on the steps ?

haha

AA is the biggest pile of worthless worm shit to disgrace this already useless mud ball called Earth. Are you fucking kidding me? If anything I'm trying to drink more. A stupid ineffectual worthles cult is all AA ever amounts to. (I've had about 10 drinks in 3 hours, hopefully I can have at least 10 more)

Some dude I workout with is in AA. He seems to like it.

I've had at least 35 drinks since Tuesday and I feel FUCKING GREAT.

24 years today.

You should celebrate with a nice cold beer.

AA works for people who seem to need to grasp onto something lest they fall into a mental hole.

as for meeting on the steps, I've had to address a weakening porch issue, so I can't

25 years today!

I believe a toast is in order. I'm buying.

Congrats man.

Way to go Chuck.

Fancy token my sponsor passed on to me tonight. It was once his sponsor's.




The hardest year was that last year of drinking.

You honestly haven't had one single drink in 25 years?

It is not possible for me to have one drink without more.

That didn't exactly answer my question. So you have had no alcohol whatsoever in 25 years? No slip-ups?

I have not had a drink in 25 years, yes.