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#388642 - 01/07/09 07:16 PM
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Gag Factor Guru
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This is the third thread about the same topic. -Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy
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#388643 - 01/07/09 08:16 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Good. Now we have 3.
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#388645 - 01/07/09 10:41 PM
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hello....cum back 2 reality...can u say... publicity stunt................ 
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#388646 - 01/08/09 01:43 AM
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Registered: 10/21/05
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It's a publicity stunt that makes the industry look foolish though...no longer can they hold their heads up high and look down their noses (whilst simultaneously thumbing them) at other mainstream industries and proudly proclaim '...at least we didn't have to ask for a Government bailout.' But that's all gone now... 
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#388647 - 01/08/09 03:45 AM
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Chronic Masturbator
Registered: 05/06/05
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We don't need a bailout-- the DVD market was declining way before the recession kicked in. And we know why-- it's because of this thing we're all on right now, called THE INTERNET. Plus I think it's good that the adult industry is suffering a bit now-- we're oversaturated as an industry and there needs to be a shakedown to cull the herd. As long as I'm not one of the companies that go down (and I don't think I will be) I'm relieved to know that these overinflated companies who put out excessive amounts of amateur looking, uninspiring content are shutting down. Good riddance!
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#388648 - 01/10/09 08:07 AM
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Bukkake Boy
Registered: 01/02/04
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we're oversaturated as an industry and there needs to be a shakedown to cull the herd. As long as I'm not one of the companies that go down (and I don't think I will be) I'm relieved to know that these overinflated companies who put out excessive amounts of amateur looking, uninspiring content are shutting down. Good riddance!
Holly, congratulations... you are now a capitalist pig.
It's good to see that you've come to your senses.
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#388649 - 01/10/09 12:13 PM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 07/02/07
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we're oversaturated as an industry and there needs to be a shakedown to cull the herd. As long as I'm not one of the companies that go down (and I don't think I will be) I'm relieved to know that these overinflated companies who put out excessive amounts of amateur looking, uninspiring content are shutting down. Good riddance!
Holly, congratulations... you are now a capitalist pig.
It's good to see that you've come to your senses.
I thought it was "Capatlist Running Dog"?
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#388653 - 01/12/09 10:20 AM
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Porn Jesus
Registered: 10/29/03
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Here's fuel for another thread on this topic. 
The shit put out by the top companies that win accolades isn't always the hottest stuff despite the quality, sometimes raw and off the cuff gonzo is hotter than overly choreographed stuff shot on great sets with superb cameras. It's all a matter of persepective, some of the smaller companies that have died made better porn than some of the popular, payola, hype crap on the top of the food chain with the budget and bank to weather the economy.
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#388654 - 01/12/09 10:34 AM
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People I consider to be "good eggs" and/or truly talented at what they do: Andrew Blake, Stephen Hicks, Adam & Eve, etc-- I would be very sad to see them go.
No offense but GOD FORBID that the vaseline-lensed wares of Wicked, Adam&Eve and Vivid were no longer available.
Note to self: buy Ambien shares before the rush
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#388655 - 01/12/09 10:48 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
Registered: 12/29/08
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Here's fuel for another thread on this topic.
The shit put out by the top companies that win accolades isn't always the hottest stuff despite the quality, sometimes raw and off the cuff is hotter than stuff shot on great sets with superb cameras in a controlled enviroment. It's all a matter of persepective, some of the smaller companies that have died made better porn than some of the popular, payola, hype crap on the top of the food chain with the budget and bank to weather the economy.
The situation parallels that of independent and Hollywood cinema. From the perspective of art rather than commerce, what needs culling is mainly the Hollywood dross. So too, it seems, from the perspective of sexual expression (and exploration), what needs culling are the profitable but wan adult films of Vivid, Adam and Eve, et al. After all, intuitively we all know that there is nothing worse, from the perspective of the porn enthusiast, than when a terrific new talent becomes a contract star. We can be sure they will produce nothing more of genuine interest.
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#388657 - 01/12/09 04:22 PM
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Tranny Whisperer
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ome of the smaller companies that have died made better porn than some of the popular
That sadly is the case in most industries. The big and established survive.
Look at Microsoft. If they didn't have the "name" and ruled the market and then put out a crap operating system like Vista, who would ever deal with them?
Sadly "Branding" is more important than the quality of products produced in our culture.
Who buy's Vivid's crap?
Anabolic used to be a great company like 10 years ago before the Red Light Disctrict formed. Then it started to fall apart and now they have crap like that Mexican director.
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#388659 - 01/12/09 04:52 PM
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Personally, I like features and/or 'high end' stuff...I like to see the girls looking at their very best, and I like features because they contextualise the sex. In a gonzo, a blowjob is just a blowjob, but in a feature that blowjob could mean something outside of the act itself...perhaps an extra-marital affair, perhaps some sort of leveraged 'I won't call the cops, but you have to blow me' type of situation, or perhaps it is part of some evil seductress' scheme to ensnare some hapless schmuck into her web of deceit, intrigue, blackmail, whatever. After all, if features and the idea of context is so lame, how come so many gonzo producers shoot dramatic little lead-ins to the sex. Jules Jordan does it, and so do a host of others. I'd like features a lot more if people were taking the time and effort to make them right, and exploring the wealth of options afforded by the DVD format, specifically with regards to branching content. Many feature fans complain that overlong sex scenes tend to ruin the flow of the film itself...why not have extended versions which can be switched on or off at the viewer's discretion? Lots of non-feature fans also gripe that the talent can't act for shit...perhaps if more features were made, and they had more experience at doing dialogue and dramatic scenes, then maybe the standard of acting would improve...and then maybe you'd see a little more mainstream crossover too. 
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#388660 - 01/12/09 06:09 PM
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Porn Jesus
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I'd like features a lot more if people were taking the time and effort to make them right, and exploring the wealth of options afforded by the DVD format, specifically with regards to branching content. Many feature fans complain that overlong sex scenes tend to ruin the flow of the film itself...why not have extended versions which can be switched on or off at the viewer's discretion?
I completely agree with you. I've actually become increasingly bored with gonzo stuff, and while I still watch some of it, I don't have the same interest I once did. There is just too much of it, and about 85% of it is garbage.
I also agree that extended sex scenes ruin the flow. I especially thought this in Pirates II, the scene between Jesse Jane and Belladonna seemed to go on forever, and the film solely relied on the hype from the budget and special effects. I think you make a good point that there is nobody exploring the boundaries of the DVD format, but what I find more pathetic is how nobody tries to make something new and interesting. Porn practically sells itself, yet you have such an overly saturated industry all doing the same shit. Not one single person daring to do something else. It's amazing.
BTW: when you were talking about gonzo with lead-in storylines it reminded me of German gonzo which is like episodic porn, something I don't think has been made here since maybe the mid 80s.
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#388662 - 01/13/09 02:16 AM
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Porn Jesus
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Overlong sex scenes are a problem period. What's the average length for a sex scene in any film, feature or gonzo, today....45 minutes?
If I can go to the start of a scene on my DVD player, get dressed, go out to a local pizza place get a carry out that was not called in advance and get back before the blow job part of the scene is over then someone's editing bay is not getting enough use.
I would shudder to think how long scenes would be today if anyone bothered to eat pussy anymore.
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#388663 - 01/13/09 02:22 AM
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Whoremaster
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I completely agree with you. I've actually become increasingly bored with gonzo stuff, and while I still watch some of it, I don't have the same interest I once did. There is just too much of it, and about 85% of it is garbage.
Agree, although I feel the true figure is probably nearer 90-95%. There's only a handful of companies that really put the effort in.
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I also agree that extended sex scenes ruin the flow. I especially thought this in Pirates II, the scene between Jesse Jane and Belladonna seemed to go on forever, and the film solely relied on the hype from the budget and special effects.
Any film that relies solely on hype from the budget and special effects is invariably a turd, be it mainstream or adult. Whilst the inclusion of a real galleon or fire engine or CGI skeletons is a nice touch, I think many producers have lost touch with the ideas of eroticism, build-up and tease. Would a Lloyd Simandl film be ruined by the inclusion of hardcore? No. But by the same measure, it is also not ruined by not including hardcore either...the same is true of a Shannon Tweed or Shannon Whirry flick as well in my opinion.
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I think you make a good point that there is nobody exploring the boundaries of the DVD format, but what I find more pathetic is how nobody tries to make something new and interesting. Porn practically sells itself, yet you have such an overly saturated industry all doing the same shit. Not one single person daring to do something else. It's amazing.
I'm often shocked at how unbusinesslike the porn industry is...rudimentary business concepts and practices seem to be blithely ignored as a matter of course. The closest thing this industry can get to something like a USP (Unique Selling Point) is contract talent, whether they be performers or directors/photographers, because every act you can shoot on video can be pretty easily replicated by your nearest competitor with a modicum of ease, and very often with the exact same talent pool as well.
Max does Max Faktor, JM does Gag Factor, and everybody else suddenly has their own competing face/skull/throat fucking line. Let's also not overlook the cadre of directors who solemnly believe that dressing the talent up in fishnets and dog collars, and then jamming the camera up the girl's ass as they walk upstairs makes them the new Jules Jordan, and therefore well on their way to getting blown in a Bentley by Jenna Haze or somesuch.
As much as people deride Contract Girls and the very idea thereof, they make perfect sense to me. 'If you want to see talent x, then you have to buy from company a!'...the only thing I find slightly puzzling is that so few of them attempt to contract girls who haven't done b/g for any other producer beforehand (Sunny Leone, for example). Then they would have a true exclusive, and a true USP.
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#388665 - 01/13/09 05:01 AM
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Whoremaster
Registered: 06/22/07
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The industry might be able to get bailout funds if it sent some flamers like Christian and Lockwood to service Rep Barney Fwank  . Fwank heads the House committee involved in dispensing the funds and he had a gay prostitution ring operating out of his home in the 80s. He has no teeth and is known as the gum job king of the Washington fruit community. In his younger days many gerbils undoubtably saw the inside of his colon.
By the way, the Democrat Jew Fwank is more respoonsible for the current recession than any other person. He forced banks to make home loans to people who couldn't pay them back (like penniless minorities and illegals) in the name of celebrating diversity! In exchange his gay lover at Fannie Mae routed him campaign donations. The resulting credit and housing market collapses set off the chain reaction.
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#388669 - 01/13/09 11:02 AM
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Whoremaster
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Deregulation of banking had NOTHING to do with it
Really? The Community Reinvestment Act wasn't used by Fwank to force banks to make ridiculous subprime "diversity" loans? Loans which were treated like triple A credit by Fannie Mae? Loans that were then bundled and sold and resold and resold again to almost every bank in the country? And the "market to market" accounting regulation didn't cause their true value to then be restated as subprime. And we didn't then do a bailout to buy the worthless loans off the banks?
You're correct in that the fact that Fwank is Jewish and/or a homo had nothing to do with the crisis. (It had everything to do with making Fwank a raging socialist, but that's another story.)
Fatty, I hate to say it, but this is gonna be another one of those situations wherein you are leaving yourself wide open (a la 'Historical movie fudging'  ).
My gripes with Barney Frank have nothing to do with him being gay or Jewish, but rather the fact that him seems incapable of buying a shirt with a correctly sized collar. He needs to admit defeat and go a size bigger, rather than continue shoehorning himself into the ones he currently wears.
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#388670 - 01/13/09 11:06 AM
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Whoremaster
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But I find it wacked that ya'll say the sex detracts from the flow of the plot in a fucking porno.
If you want to see just fights, you can watch UFC. If you want to see fights interspersed or linked together by a plotline, you can watch a martial arts movie. Different strokes for different folks.
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