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#384939 - 12/30/08 02:45 PM
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Charin's link to Baseball-Reference.com <<clicky>> My HoF ballot this year would be: 1. Rickey Henderson [he'll get it] 2. Jim Rice 3. Allan Trammell That's my '10'.
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#384940 - 12/30/08 03:13 PM
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Rickey Henderson Andre Dawson Dave Parker(stats don't include all the runners Parker and Dawson threw out) Jim Rice Bert Blyleven (spent 3/4 of his career with epically shitty teams) Tommy John (they should at least put his elbow in the Hall of Fame) Jack Morris
I am on the fence about Dale Murphy and Lee Smith. I wouldn't protest if they were in, I wouldn't protest if they were out.
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#384941 - 12/30/08 03:27 PM
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Morris. I should have had him.
I NEVER feared Blyleven. He was pitching against me? My team could win. Likely on a homer.
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#384944 - 12/30/08 04:19 PM
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I have quite the Annette collection myself ...
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#384945 - 12/30/08 04:21 PM
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I hate sports but I'd vote for Pete Rose.
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#384948 - 12/30/08 07:41 PM
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#384950 - 12/30/08 08:12 PM
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Results of the 2008 Post-1942 Players Ballot (48 votes needed for election): Santo (39 votes, 60.9 percent), Jim Kaat (38, 59.4 percent), Tony Oliva (33, 51.6 percent), Gil Hodges (28, 43.8 percent), Joe Torre (19, 29.7 percent), Maury Wills (15, 23.4 percent), Luis Tiant (13, 20.3 percent), Vada Pinson (12, 18.8 percent), Al Oliver (nine, 14.1 percent), Dick Allen (seven, 10.9 percent).
Of those on the Veteran's committee ballot, I would have voted for Santo & Oliva.
I like Kitty as a person and announcer, but like with Blyleven, I had no great "dread" of him. I like an "Oh SHIT!" element in a player. Someone you just don't want to see up against your team.
So, your team is in a pennant race and you have to win the big game and you see the has, say, Gibson, Drysdale, Koufax, Palmer, Hunter, Marichal, Carlton .... it's "OH Shit!"
Honestly I think Holtzman, McNally and Guidry, among others, were ALL better than either Katt or Burt. Anyway, I don't like compilers. Stats aren't everything.
Which is why I like Oliva. Sure his career was cut short, but when that guy was healthy he was great. He put up is numbers in the worst environment for hitters. When he was up in the big spot, the other team was afraid.
And, if the tying run was on, you didn't want to see Ron Santo up against you. I think playing in the 60s and 70s and thus not having the HUGE numbers has hurt him.
Sadly I don't think they vote on players again until 2010 [for 2011 induction]. And, no one was all that close this time. Maybe next time it'll be a whole different set of voters.
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#384951 - 12/31/08 08:53 AM
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Graig Nettles classic case of a guy who was great but in a totally subtle, all around everyday way. As third basemen go, he was one of the all time greats. HIS fielding was even more amazing than his hitting. He just got overshadowed by Brooks, and then George Brett and Mike schmidt.
Nettles was also funny as hell. And he is the answer toa trivia question: Who was the last yankee to win a Homerun title besides A-ROD and Reggie?
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#384953 - 12/31/08 10:00 AM
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Nettles SAVED the 1978 world series for the yankees. Game 3, the dodgers were leading the series 2-0, and they kept threatening to score and take a 3-0 lead in the series. But nettles made 5 (FIVE) totally impossible diving miraculous plays and throws AT THIRD BASE in the game, and robbed that fucking asshole steve garvey of at least 5 RBI. It is estimated that Nettles saved anywhere from 7 to 10 runs with his plays. And the thing was, he made those kinds of plays ALL THE TIME, everyday.
But people only wanted to remember him for his towering homeruns. He had 32 HR in 1976 to lead the league in a year when NO ONE hit any homeruns (Reggie was second that year with 27 dingers playing for BALTIMORE!) thurman won MVP in 1976, otherwise Nettles might have got it. Then, in 1977, Nettles had his BEST year ever when he hit 37 Homers and drove in 107 RBIs, finishing second in dingers to JIM RICE's 39. But 1977 was ROD CAREW's year as he flirted with .400 and hit .388
Nettles was Playoff MVP in 1981 when he single handed BEAT the Oakland A's in the ALCS sweeping them 3-0....Nettles drove in 10 RUNS in the 3 games.
My favorite quote from NEttles: in 1978 Spring training, Sparky Lyle, who had won the CY young award in 1977 as a reliever/spot starter, was griping about the yankees slamming him in the face bu signing Goose Gossage in the off season after Lyles record setting season as a reliever. No one could understand it, least of all Sparky. So nettles says to him "You went from Cy Young to Sayanora".
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#384954 - 12/31/08 10:52 AM
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I'm a Yankee hater and the only 3rd baseman I've ever seen field better than Nettles was Brooks, and there wasn't all that much of a difference. [btw, I think Schmidt's the best all-around at the position I've seen].
The rubber ball thing was one of the funniest things I ever saw.
Pinella was the Yankee I least wanted to see up if the game was on the line [remember I'm rooting AGAINST the Yanks, so that's quite the compliment].
The only Yankee I've dreaded more EVER was Bernie. I think Bernie is the least appreciated Yankee, maybe of all time. I think that most of the people with the highest respect for Bernie are non-Yankee fans.
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#384955 - 12/31/08 11:05 AM
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I'm a Yankee hater and the only 3rd baseman I've ever seen field better than Nettles was Brooks, and there wasn't all that much of a difference. [btw, I think Schmidt's the best all-around at the position I've seen].
I was too young to see Brooks in his heyday, so nothing I saw live compared to Graig at third. As an all-round player I suppose you'd have to go with Schmidt, but I'd take Nettles over him, Brooks, Geo. Brett and Wade Boggs.
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The rubber ball thing was one of the funniest things I ever saw.
Definitely, I wonder if that was actually before his big HR seasons. He claimed someone gave him the bat and he had no idea. Sure!
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Pinella was the Yankee I least wanted to see up if the game was on the line [remember I'm rooting AGAINST the Yanks, so that's quite the compliment].
Yep. He was a great clutch hitter AND outfielder. He'd get to a lot of balls you wouldn't expect him to. And he was always good for a few ass-over-teakettle dramatic flips to keep things interesting. He had a really bad inner ear problem around 75 that did a job on his numbers.
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The only Yankee I've dreaded more EVER was Bernie. I think Bernie is the least appreciated Yankee, maybe of all time. I think that most of the people with the highest respect for Bernie are non-Yankee fans.
For sure. Bernie was taken for granted. Munson was a dreaded batter, a lot of people forget that.
Lou Piniella, Portland Beavers, 1966:
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#384956 - 12/31/08 11:24 AM
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As a catcher as a kid, Munson is one of my ALL-TIME favorites [plus Munson is my favorite aunt's maiden name]. He was tough and clutch. He was the only Yank to show up at the '76 WS, and he made quite a showing.
Sorry, Schmidt's the best. And, I HATE the Phillies, too.
Personally, I'd take Nettles over Brooksie for the intangibles alone. Remember he's the one who pointed out the pine-tar on Brett's bat to Billy. And, no "roids" in the WS like Brett ... I was never much of a Boggs fan.
[Nettles bat "exploded" in '74 at Shea - the Yankees home for 74-75 - in the second game of a double header ... he hit a homer in the first game, which the Yankees lost anyway].
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#384959 - 12/31/08 12:38 PM
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I remember in '93, I drove to Detroit to watch KC and the Tigers, in the old ballpark. It poured rain. I was standing in a corner in the walkway underneath, smoking a cigarette. Just as I was taking a puff, I heard the clacking of spikes on concrete, and George Brett walked by. He saw me taking a big drag off the cigarette, and gave me a disgusted look. He had decided to walk underneath, instead of in the rain, to get to the clubhouse. I had been on the fence with smoking, and quit about a week later.
Later the same night, I saw Cecil Fielder hit a ball over the 440 in dead center field. Then it poured rain again, so I left. On the way home, I heard Ernie Harwell say on the radio that the ball Cecil hit was one of only 3 he had ever seen hit out there.
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#384960 - 12/31/08 03:32 PM
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Nettles was great defensively and put up some good power numbers but anyone that would take him over Schmidt or Brett is flat out crazy. Did Sparky Anderson ever intentionally walk Graig Nettles with the bases loaded? (He did that once with Brett.)
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#384962 - 01/12/09 08:23 PM
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Congrats to Rickey Henderson and Jim Rice!!! IIRC, they're the 1st 2 left fielders in since Yaz!!
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#384963 - 12/07/09 07:58 AM
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2010 ballot with stats here <CLICKY> Notables - Andre Dawson is getting closer, I'd like to see him in. Roberto Alomar should go 1st ballot. I'm rooting for Larkin. No to Blyleven, McGwire, Edgar Martinez. Congrats to new Hall of Famers (Veteran's Committee) Doug Harvey and Whitey Herzog.
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#384964 - 12/07/09 08:55 AM
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I'm happy Whitey made it. A true baseball man, that changed the game before small ballparks and juice fucked it up.
Andre Dawson deserves to be in. 5 tool player that was crippled, figuratively and literally, by the shitty stadium in Montreal. I recently watched a tape of Ryne Sandberg's induction speech, very good one, and when he called on the Hawk to stand and take a bow, the guy could barely get out of his chair. I'd take him over Rice all day long.
Blyleven I think should be in. His only fault is that he played for shitty teams. He's up there in Ks, shout outs, complete games, and has a good win total. I think no one has lost more 1-0, 2-1 games than him.
Alomar- I don't like him as a person, but he was a good player. I don't know about first ballot, but he's going to get in there sometime.
McGwire-Fuck him.
Fred McGriff- Crime Dawg would have been one of the top sluggers of the past 20 years, if his stats weren't over shadowed by Steroid Stats. I don't think he'll make it in anytime soon, but he'd get my vote.
Larkin- I was never a big fan of his, but I wouldn't complain about him getting in.
Donnie Baseball- If his back injury happened at the end of his career, he'd be a lock. It happened in the middle and took part of his prime along with his power. You can't get in at first base with Gold Gloves. It pains me to say he'll never get in.
Murphy, Parker and Morris....Murphy and Morris will probably get in eventually through Veteran's Committee.
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#384965 - 12/07/09 06:23 PM
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Whitey Herzog: Congrats! Wonderful career.
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#384967 - 12/08/09 07:36 PM
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I got a Yaz rookie card hanging in my apartment. My favorite part of the card is that he's a 2B man. I got a "used" Whitey Herzog on as OF for the Orioles. I doubt that's worth shit.
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#384968 - 01/06/10 05:01 PM
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Congrats!
2010 Voting Results
Player Votes 2010% 2009%
Andre Dawson 420 77.9% 67.0%
Less than 75% of vote, but still on ballot.
Bert Blyleven 400 74.2% 62.7%
Roberto Alomar 397 73.7% 1st year
Jack Morris 282 52.3% 44.0%
Barry Larkin 278 51.6% 1st year
Lee Smith 255 47.3% 44.5%
Edgar Martinez 195 36.2% 1st year
Tim Raines 164 30.4% 22.6%
Mark McGwire 128 23.7% 21.9%
Alan Trammell 121 22.4% 17.4%
Fred McGriff 116 21.5% 1st year
Don Mattingly 87 16.1% 11.9%
Dave Parker 82 15.2% 15.0%
Dale Murphy 63 11.7% 11.5%
Harold Baines 33 6.1% 5.9%
Less than 5%, will not be on next year's ballot
Andres Galarraga 22 4.1% 1st year
Robin Ventura 7 1.3% 1st year
Ellis Burks 2 0.4% 1st year
Eric Karros 2 0.4% 1st year
Kevin Appier 1 0.2% 1st year
Pat Hentgen 1 0.2% 1st year
David Segui 1 0.2% 1st year
Mike Jackson 0 0% 1st year
Ray Lankford 0 0% 1st year
Shane Reynolds 0 0% 1st year
Todd Zeile 0 0% 1st year
Source: http://www.baseball-reference.com/
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#384971 - 01/06/10 07:40 PM
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Home town writers. Appier and Segui probably gave an exclusive 15 years ago, and thats their pay off.
I guess being a dick worked against Alomar. Either that or enough guys just didn't feel he deserved "First Ballot" status, which he doesn't.
Dawson deserved to get in. I wonder if he goes in as an Expo or a Cub? Poor guy gonna need a walker to get on stage.
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#384972 - 01/06/10 08:14 PM
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Happy for Dawson. I wonder how his career would have gone if he didn't play on the concrete of Montreal. Looking back at the teams, I still cannot believe that the Expos of the late 70s/early 80s never could put it all together and win a pennant. I think their only "division" win was won in the split-season/strike year. VERY, very happy Blyleven didn't get in. I HATE "compilers". That guy never impressed me. I never went into a game saying "uh oh, they'll got Blyleven on the mound!" Shouldn't get rewarded for just for being mediocre longer than anyone else. ..... but, I think this means Burt's all-but-enshrined in the near future.
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#384973 - 01/06/10 08:27 PM
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#384975 - 01/06/10 09:05 PM
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Man, Blyleven was on some shit teams. Yeah, Carlton was great on shit teams in the early 70's, but Blyleven put up those stats pitching against DH's. All those 1-0 and 2-0 losses. A quiet guy that spent his career in small markets. Even in those days the Yankees probably had more radio people covering the team than total media covering the Twins. If Blyleven never gets in, they should start pulling guys out. I'd take Bert on my team over Sutton any day.
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#384976 - 01/07/10 04:06 PM
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I can't stand Sutton either. Never feared him in a game either. Neither isn't the kind of guy you would want as your #1 starter.
Unlike, say a Jack Morris.
I have nothing against small market teams. It's not the issue.
Blyleven was NEVER one of the best at his position at anytime in his career. He won 20 games only once when winning 20 was a requisite. And, he wasn't limited to bad teams. The Twins of his early and late career were quite good, and he was with the Pirates when they were competing every year with the Phillies.
Bottomline, he's got very little "bold highlights" on his sheet. Never led the league in wins or era. Only once in strikeouts.
And, while his stats compare to Sutton's [who shouldn't be in the hall anyway, IMHO], the argument for his was the "300".
Burt doesn't have the "300". In fact, he's ~40 wins short of Sutton.
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#384977 - 01/07/10 04:21 PM
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Way, way, way too many votes for Edgar Martinez. No way he should be getting more votes than Parker, Murphy, and Mattingly. Martinez was just a 1990s version of Al Oliver.
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#384979 - 01/07/10 10:57 PM
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I LOVE DONNIE BASEBALL. If his injury was at the end of his career and catastrophic, like Puckett, he'd be in. Just too much mediocre at the end to get him in.
I hear you about compilers Fatty, not everyone can be Sandy Koufax though. Gimme your top 5 guys that should be thrown out of the Hall.
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#384980 - 01/08/10 03:50 PM
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not everyone can be Sandy Koufax though.
... and so not everyone belongs in the hall.
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Gimme your top 5 guys that should be thrown out of the Hall.
I'd have to think about that.
As a caveat, since I think that there is more to a player than stats, I don't really have strong "he shouldn't be in" opinions on players I didn't see play.
Off the top of my head, in the last ~30 year of the writers the only one's that have bothered me are Hoyt Wilheim & Don Sutton. I wasn't a fan of Luis Aparicio's selection, but I never really watched him enough to have outrage at his selection.
I often raise an eyebrow at the selections that the veterans committee make, but most of them played before I was born. Of those that played that I have opinions about, Bill Mazeroski & Jim Bunning were certainly surprises. But, maybe their careers were over by the time I paid attention to them.
But, certainly on Sutton and Blyleven, I saw their careers. If my team was playing a must win game and you told me that other pitcher was Sutton or Blyleven, I wouldn't worry one bit.
Not like if it were Gibson or Marichal or Drysdale or Catfish, etc.
Hell Vida Blue or David Cone scare me way more than Don or Burt.
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#384981 - 01/08/10 09:24 PM
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Yes, the Old Timer's Committee has done horrendous things in the past. The one guy from the Gas House Gang Cardinals, politiced his way to getting a bunch of his buddies in.
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#384982 - 01/10/10 07:57 PM
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#384983 - 01/01/11 07:09 AM
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2011 ballot, winners announced Wednesday, get details from
http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2011.shtml
Bert Blyleven
Roberto Alomar
Jack Morris
Barry Larkin
Lee Smith
Edgar Martinez
Tim Raines
Mark McGwire
Alan Trammell
Fred McGriff
Don Mattingly
Dave Parker
Dale Murphy
Harold Baines
Carlos Baerga
Jeff Bagwell
Bret Boone
Kevin Brown
John Franco
Juan González
Marquis Grissom
Lenny Harris
Bobby Higginson
Charles Johnson
Al Leiter
Tino Martinez
Raúl Mondesí
John Olerud
Rafael Palmeiro
Kirk Rueter
Benito Santiago
B. J. Surhoff
Larry Walker
I really hope Larkin makes it, and I think he will. Steroids changes the equation, I always said 300 wins, 500 homers, or 3000 hits should be automatic, but McGwire and Palmeiro rightly don't have a chance. Alomar will get in this year. Possibles are Blyleven, Bagwell, and Larry Walker, but I wouldn't vote for any of them.
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#384984 - 01/01/11 09:57 AM
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Larkin was a china doll. He had 4 years of over 150 games played. Jeter has played under 150 3 times, one of those years was 149, another 148. Larkin was not the hitter Jeter is. Never over 200 hits, below .300 lifetime, and has 3 more years on Derek to make stats like doubles, runs, RBI, homers looks closer than they actually are. And there is no different era excuse in comparing these two. I'm admittedly biased, I've never been a big fan of Larkin, and I'm a Yankee lifer. I just put the guy in the Perennial All Star category, just not HOF. I don't see the guy have the intangible qualities of say Ryne Sandberg to over come being a step down in #'s. Only my opinion, I could be wrong, and I wouldn't complain as much about Larkin getting in as Rice, that guy only had 4 Hall worthy years, playing in a hitters park. Alomar is an asshole, but deserves to get in. If Mac and Raffy ever get in, their plaques should hang in the urinal. Another guy for the Hall of the Very Good: Tim Raines. I guess in 87 or 88 he got hurt and it took him out of the Hall chase, but from 81 until then the guy was f'n good. Look at 1981, guy stole 71 bases in 88 games. WOW. Guy struck out more than he walked once in his career, even with all them years of hanging on at the end.
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#384985 - 01/05/11 12:02 PM
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Alomar and Blyleven made it. Larkin: 62%, he'll make it in the next 3 years.
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#576659 - 12/09/12 07:53 AM
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#576661 - 12/09/12 09:02 AM
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^this
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