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I don't disagree with either of you, but after all these years i think - and this is just an opinion - that getting rid of piracy just isn't feasible.. It's all to easy even now to break DRM protection on content.



Very true...it's the same with home or car security as well. Ultimately, if they (thieves/burglars/pirates) want in, then they'll get in somehow. The trick is to make it as hard as possible so as to deter them to the extent that they move on to some other target. Whether this means going after uploaders, downloaders, the facilitators inbetween or all three remains to be seen, but doing something has to be better than doing nothing, AKA fiddling while San Fernando Valley burns.

I should point out that said 'action' needn't necessarily be limited strictly to the punitive type either...efforts could be made to reward those who pay for their product, such as a loyalty scheme, mail-in incentives, or anything that adds value to the package that you won't get if you download it illegally.

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And i do agree with your that porn is still as popular as ever. But i do believe that there is some inner thought required by the industry as a whole, especially for Porn producers. Actually making a physical product makes no sense these days. Whether its a combination of shame or laziness that keep people out of Porn shops is kind of moot at this point. Consumers - such as myself are staying away in droves.



Firstly, I'm not saying porn is as popular as ever...I'm saying it is more popular than ever. The problem is that a huge chunk of this newly-found audience seems to have a distinct problem with paying to watch porn, and ample opportunity to get it for free. Ergo, this bigger than ever audience doesn't equate to bigger than ever sales figures.

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On the production side the actual people who make the porn we watch are going to come to a realization that box covers, award shows and the usual crap that they spend money on doesn't matter to your average perv. Personally i think it will hit production companies harder in the long more than the talent.



Boxcovers matter a lot more for feature producers, but that is an almost entirely different market in terms of audience aimed at (mostly couples) and methods of distribution (Cable, Softcore, as well as DVD)...and yes, these customers pay cash money rather than torrent it. Some people want the fancy packaging, and I am one of them.

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While they're may be plenty of girls (and guys) willing to screw on camera the producers, if what i think is going to happen - does happen - . They will have to offer bigger incentive for the people involved to do it, ie. Producers aren't going to offer people burger flipping salaries for taking two dicks in your ass.



As I have said previously in the 'Tube Sites' thread in the Web forum, I'd like to see a more meritocratic approach to porn salaries...if (for example) Jenna Haze sells 100 times as many downloads or disks as Katja Kassin, then I think it's only fair she get 100 times the money Katja Kassin gets, rather than a standard one-size-fits-all industry rate. The only way this will come about is by switching to a pay-per-clip system where there is no ambiguity, and individual sales and royalties can be easily tracked.

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Additionally they will likely have to take an honest interest in the talent and the talent will have to keep in mind that the better they work for the producers, the more jobs they might get- ergo more $$$



I'm all for better working conditions and pay for the performers, as I believe this will in turn lead to a better calibre or quality of performer joining the industry. With sites like Clips4Sale and their ilk, there is a great opportunity for the performer to become the producer in a relatively risk-free environment. Sure, it will more than likely be amateurish crap, but people can overlook that if they're interested in the girl involved...plus a lot of so-called 'professional' porn is also amateurish crap, so the difference could be very minimal.

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All at the same time as offering a product that is attractive and cheap enough to have the average consumer to drop a few bucks to down load some porn. I alluded to this before but there will always be piracy, the trick is to entice enough people to actually plonk down their cash for a bit of slap-and-tickle (so to speak)



I'd like to see a producer offer quality content at dirt cheap prices just to see if the "pile 'em high and sell 'em cheap" philosophy that benefits a lot of larger retailers could work in porn. It would probably require some sort of micropayment system attached to it, as the credit card companies just aren't interested below a certain amount.

The only drawback is that there are plenty of sites that offer super cheap 2-day trials, but they still get their content pirated, so I don't know if this is the answer.

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The other thing that will likely have to happen is that the drama we see everyday will have to come under control and the idea that the porn business is in fact a business will have to prevail. Blow ups like Lucy Lee and Chasey Lain and the various drug infused disasters will not only be talked about , but an active effort made to really discourage an unprofessional behavior patter. Also the seemingly ongoing serious issues like Chico Wang will have to be stopped in their tracks, it's hard enough for some of the girls to do this work without asshats like the late Mr Wang running around with the tacit and sometimes open approval of the industry. The producers will have to act like business people and the pornsters will actually have to act less like Diva's and more like professionals. Which is not to say that some or many don't, but I certainly have the feeling that the drama we see here on this and other boards probably represents a minor percentage of what actually goes on.



Again, I'd love to see the industry be more professional, but the truth is it lacks any form of coherent leadership. I'd like to see unified sales charts based on actual solid figures, and perhaps some sort of packaging review council that would stamp out (or serve to allay customer fears about) misleading sleeves. Companies that pull the 'On the box but not in the movie' scam are creating tomorrow's pirates, namely hitherto paying customers who are now once bitten, twice shy when it comes to spending money on porn again.

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People have been wanting porn to go 'mainstream' for a long long time now. And perhaps the oncoming crash of the current porn system will help that along. Since the early 70's Porn has been seen on the 'edge', some people really loved it some people really hated, some people just took some enjoyment out of it. Many new cultural invocations which we're once cutting edge are considered everyday now, rock music being the one i can think of right off the top of my head, in the fifties it was scandalous, today it's hard to get by shocked by anything in the music industry. I think pornography is on that trail now, by the fact that it has become part of our everyday life whether we know it or not.



Totally agree...as I said: More popular than ever before. I'll be interested to see how Sasha Grey does in 'The Girlfriend Experience', but it's safe to say she's already putting together a nice little mainstream portfolio. It's rather hypocritical that Paris Hilton can suck cock on video and be mainstream, yet a porn chick is treated like some kind of pariah. Again, better quality performers can only help with porn's push, but you aren't going to attract them until you can seriously improve working conditions and earning potential...oh look, we're back to square one again!

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By the way, try to do something about all the religious nuts down there, whether it's Scientology, Islam , Christianity or whatever, if you have kids have them look at any situation with a rational response as opposed to believing in a giant Space Daddy, trust me your country will be better for it.



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