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#381028 - 12/15/08 02:00 AM
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Chronic Masturbator
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What are some of the biggest tube sites with the largest amount of pirated material? A couple that I've visited a) don't have a lot of content or b) most of the videos don't work.
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#381029 - 12/15/08 06:07 AM
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AC Cream Wannabe
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Go to http://www.wide6.com or http://fantasti.cc/
Those are tube search engines and you'll find a slew of well stocked tube sites in the results.
Edited by artwilliams (12/15/08 06:08 AM)
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#381031 - 12/15/08 11:49 AM
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Porn Jesus
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Can someone kindly explain to me how these sites stay up? Isn't there copyright issues? It must be killing the companies. And was there ever a movement afoot by the big names to shut these sites down?
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#381032 - 12/15/08 12:28 PM
Re: Tube sites
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AC Cream Wannabe
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Redtube, YouPorn, Xvideos...
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#381033 - 12/15/08 12:38 PM
Re: Tube sites
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Porn Jesus
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tnaflix, empflix...
the list goes on. Seriously, how the fuck do theses sites stay up....
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#381035 - 12/15/08 05:09 PM
Re: Tube sites
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Tube8.com xvideos.com maxporn.com xnxx.com jizzhut.com sexgrid.com
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#381036 - 12/15/08 06:00 PM
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Holly must be dating someone less fortunate. heh
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#381037 - 12/15/08 06:38 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Or her lawyers are about to server some cease and desist orders re her content on these sites.
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#381038 - 12/15/08 07:08 PM
Re: Tube sites
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^^^ In which case, maybe the question should have been asked via PM rather than starting a thread advertising where the free pirated porn can be found?
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#381039 - 12/15/08 07:17 PM
Re: Tube sites
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AC Cream Wannabe
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Most of the sites mentioned are on the Alexa.com Top 500. They are really no longer any sort of secret.
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#381040 - 12/15/08 10:23 PM
Re: Tube sites
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They're no secret, true. But that doesn't mean they need to be advertised, compared, or contrasted here. Especially when it's the folks at a Porn company that give us this place in which to fuck around.
I seem to recall some flap about that a while back. But what do I know? I also recall some promise to "moderate the fuck out of this forum."
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#381041 - 12/15/08 10:34 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
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Anyone who used the phrase "moderate the fuck out of this forum" is a bit of a tool.
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#381042 - 12/15/08 10:41 PM
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I agree. Take it up with the moderator:
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#381043 - 12/15/08 10:42 PM
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Porn Jesus
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I have ranted and posted about this for a long time now, and i frequently LINK clips I find on TUBE8 to my posts here if I am making a point, usually about cumfarting or some other sick shit that has now, through repeated viewing and become a convention of "normal sexuality".
Although, SOMEONE is policing and cleaning up SOME of the shit on sites like Tube8, and others......for example, the clip I posted about on Tube8, showing Keri Sable's scene from Cum Filled Ass Overload, has been zapped from that site....MAYBE all my ranting about such an obviously EXPENSIVE (by porn standards) and EPIC scene being available for all the world to see for free finally caused the owner of the material to do something about it. BUT it doesnt matter....I'm sure a million and one perverts worldwide downloaded that scene to whatever device or drive they prefer, and it is now being shared and distributed on young male Highschooler Blackberries all over the place....
I picture bored seniors in Highschools watching Keri Sable plop cum into that elegant sherbert bowl during American History, and thrusting the images in the faces of young Highschool girls, asking "Do you do that babe?" "Would you do that for me?" The young, impressionable, and equally horny teenaged girls feign disgust but in reality look when no one else is looking. The girls get secretly turned on, plus knowing that THIS is what young guys TODAY equate with "sexy", resolve in their minds to DO this kind of slutty debauchery IF the chance ever comes up.
Thus Burg correlates the decline in today's YOUTH morality with TUBE8 and sick porn.
**Question for Holly** I have Never encountered ANY of your work or scenes on any of these TUBE sites, Holly, but I have only visited a handful of them compared to what is out there. Do you know for a fact that any RANDALL scenes have been pirated and posted-available on some Tube site???
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#381044 - 12/15/08 11:04 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
Registered: 11/24/08
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**Question for Holly** I have Never encountered ANY of your work or scenes on any of these TUBE sites, Holly, but I have only visited a handful of them compared to what is out there. Do you know for a fact that any RANDALL scenes have been pirated and posted-available on some Tube site???
Holly shoots porn? I thought she just photographed it.
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#381049 - 12/16/08 11:28 PM
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Internet Tough Guy
Registered: 11/22/08
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Well, Darjing Ntford still sucks. And whores lie. Got it.
Jim, mea culpa, my snyde comment should have gone Ms. Lynch's way.
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#381054 - 12/19/08 11:29 PM
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Porn Jesus
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I'm still completely confused how the companies aren't able to get their copyrighted shit taken down from theses sites. Although, Youtube has a lot of shit it should not, stuff gets yanked on a pretty regular basis. What is stopping NA or Bangbros. or Vivid from getting their shit removed?
PS: Brandon et al: Comments about the owner of Redlight complaining about getting ripped off?
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#381055 - 12/20/08 12:50 AM
Re: Tube sites
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Gay For Pay
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That Conde Nast article's a bit over a year old (it got posted on Huffington post a few days ago and got a bit of attention again; interesting rereading it now). Its funny how a year later nothing's changed; its gotten worse. Vivid dropped its lawsuit against AEBN (very chicken-shit move) and Free Speech Coalition sold the entire side of the business that cares about copyright by naming AEBN's head "Man of the Year." The only real credible plan I've heard in the last year about doing something to stop them is Greg Picconelli's comments on XBIZ that the new 2257 regulations could be used to force them to comply and cripple their business structure. I'm baffled why more and more companies are joining with free tube sites thinking they might sell memberships or conversions; its nothing but a race to the bottom devaluing their own content. The tube sites are really the new mafia of porn: they steal some company's content, tell them they have no power to stop them with phantom servers and companies all over the world, then tell the company if they form some advertising partnership they'll have control of their OWN fucking content. Totally unreal.
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#381057 - 12/20/08 01:13 AM
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What's stopped them is that it's complicated. Youporn and all the other porntube sites are a game of whac-a-mole as far as going after them. Youporn is biggest, yet still lives in shadows and grey area, much like roaches under a water heater. It's not a hard target like a warehouse full of knockoff DVD's in downtown L.A. that can be raided at dawn. It takes financial resources to employ the legal and technical people to even figure out what they're going after, after preliminary cease & desist letters sent to info@youporn.com only receive an message with "LOL" in reply. Consider that media giants like Viacom have a hard enough time getting stuff pulled from Youtube as it is, so porn companies getting stuff pulled from Youporn is near futile. Worse, porn is often dismissed as "unimportant" in terms of civil issues like copyright enforcement as far as law enforcement agencies are concerned. Further, many adult content providers are now uploading their own clips in attempt to drive traffic back to their sites, giving the Youporn owners ammunition to call it a "marketing tool" for adult websites, deflecting criticism with subterfuge.
I've never much bothered with youporn myself because it's a disjointed and chaotic mess of low-grade crap that the unwashed masses appear to be resonating with due to the "free is king" rule, but after a quick glance at their network it's clear they've spent time planning and digging in against any legal or criminal complaints that may come their way. They've got all their data mirrored in berlin, amsterdam and a few other offshores - places strategically chosen for laws (or lack thereof) friendly to their cause. If any part of their network got shut down in a particular country due to a court ruling, they wouldn't skip a beat.
That said, it's not unstoppable - though if they went down, all the other adult 'tube knockoffs are ready to pick up the slack. Ironically, the fear of 'getting too big' is what the owners seem to have feared from the beginning and is the reason they've wanted to sell it off and get out ASAP, since now it's become a giant hot potato where no legit company wants to pay millions to become the hard target for upset copyright holders to go after.
It's a tricky situation.
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#381058 - 12/20/08 08:43 AM
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Porn Jesus
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Porntube seems to have a bit of everything. They encourage uploading and perhaps get around the piracy issue by having the uploader acknowledge the material to be uploaded is not under copyright. If someone comes asking they whip out the disclaimer and say, "we were lied to!"
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#381059 - 12/20/08 09:24 AM
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Porn Jesus
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What about just yanking the whole site down? There are sites I've visited (other than smut) where it's been done...
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#381060 - 12/20/08 10:13 AM
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Porn Jesus
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Other than doing that by DOS attack or sabotage you'd probably need a court order and a local enforcement able and willing to enforce it. If the guys have servers in Denmark, Costa Rica, or Holland, etc, you'd need to get that legal and law enforcement systems involved, which would probably mean, at the minimum, legal representation of some kind in those countries, as well as a lot of patience. Witness the dudes from Pir% Ba%. They probably move their ip address and connections from place to place routinely.
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#381061 - 12/20/08 10:50 AM
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Pervert
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Blue is right - I was going to mention pir8bay too since they're one of the most famous cases where big players like Microsoft, MPAA, etc. went after them and they thumbed their noses by posting the cease & desists public to make fun.
You can't just yank a domain since ICANN claims they're neutral, and back in the day when Network Solutions was the only registrar it might've been easier, but now with registrars scattered all over the world including shady places, ICANN just says "we don't get involved - we leave it up to local laws in individual countries." Youporn's registrar is some wacky one based in germany that doesn't roll over easily from what I read, and if so they'd just xfer to another registrar beforehand, ie one in sweden.
A DDoS attack also isn't as easy or effective as it used to be for various reasons, not to mention youporn has a mesh of hundreds of servers scattered everywhere when I checked, so to be able to hold that many down you'd have to work at an ISP or telecom company, and not in the U.S. either - eastern europe perhaps. Those little russian fuckers in their big coats would want a nice payday to do their nerdy black ops too.
I'd have some ideas to combat youporn if they were causing money out of my pocket, though they'd be fairly unorthodox.
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#381062 - 12/20/08 10:52 AM
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Porn Jesus
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Doesn't anyone have any quality gangbang sites anymore? ---- There's EroMaxx at http://orgymax.com/sites for eurogangbangs.
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#381064 - 12/20/08 12:41 PM
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Porn Jesus
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RIAA's new tactic Quote:
RIAA Enlists ISPs in Digital-Piracy Battle By Jennifer LeClaire December 19, 2008 1:21PM
Digg It! Bookmark to del.icio.us The RIAA is changing tactics in the battle against music piracy. Now, instead of the RIAA suing consumers -- and generating pubic-relations nightmares -- the RIAA will work with ISPs to alert them to possible pirated music downloads. The RIAA will use the ISP as a piracy enforcer. The RIAA's ISP strategy may help the label industry's viability. Related Topics RIAA File Sharing Piracy ISPs Music Downloads
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The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) is putting an end to its lawsuit strategy, according to a report in The Wall Street Journal.
The RIAA has sued thousands of people over the years for allegedly stealing music on the Internet -- about 35,000 people since 2003 -- but the group is reportedly looking for better ways to protect its members from online piracy.
Analysts said the lawsuit strategy wasn't particularly effective, and caused public-relations issues. Indeed, the RIAA has in the past targeted single mothers, children and even a dead person. The RIAA's new strategy is to enlist Internet service providers.
The ISP as Enforcer
According to the Journal, the RIAA has come to preliminary agreements with major ISPs. The RIAA will send an e-mail alerting an ISP to the suspected music pirate. The ISP, in turn, will send an e-mail to the suspected pirate, suggesting that person is uploading music illegally and asking for a halt.
"The RIAA still wants to discourage piracy, but they want somebody else to be the enforcer," said Phil Leigh, a senior analyst at Inside Digital Media. "This approach will put the ISP in that role."
RIAA's new tactic In that role, the ISP would continue to alert the alleged infringer about the RIAA's warnings -- to a point. The Journal reported that repeated warnings would be accompanie
d by slower connections to the Internet. The ISP might also unplug the user.
, "Increasingly the ISPs are concerned about bandwidth costs, so they have an incentive to penalize the bandwidth hogs," Leigh said. "High-volume file sharers probably are bandwidth hogs. So the RIAA can essentially identify the egregious violators, and then the ISPs for their own reasons will want to enforce action against them by simply cutting them off."
The RIAA's Bigger Problem
There are more than 500 legitimate digital-music services worldwide, offering more than six million tracks -- more than four times the stock of a music megastore, according to the IFMI, a record industry association in London. Yet tens of billions of illegal files were swapped in 2007. The ratio of unlicensed tracks downloaded to legal tracks sold is about 20 to one.
Will the RIAA's new strategy make a difference? Leigh said it will "make a dent, and nothing more." As he sees it, piracy has become a less significant issue because most consumers are aware of the legal alternatives and the potential consequences of using a pirated site -- not the legal consequences, but the spyware and malware consequences.
But the industry may have bigger problems than battling piracy in the long term, and stopping the lawsuit strategy may be a smart public-relations move.
"At this point, the viability of the label industry itself is in question. It's kind of like newspapers," Leigh said. "One of the things [is] that if that kind of viability is questioned, you certainly don't want to antagonize your audience."
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#381065 - 12/20/08 01:02 PM
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Porn Jesus
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I read Warner Bros has asked YouTube to remove all Warner Bros content asap. http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10127666-93.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1023_3-0-5Warner Bros can punish YouTube and its owners but it might be more difficult for BangBros to hurt some pirates overseas.
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#381066 - 12/20/08 02:33 PM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
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who care it is still profitable for any company porno is cheap every thing in it is cheap ..
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#381069 - 12/20/08 03:45 PM
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Ed Hardy Wearing Loser
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who care it is still profitable for any company porno is cheap every thing in it is cheap ..
It's cheap if you produce cheap content. And obviously it can't be that profitable these days if companies are shutting down left and right.
but most of the companies produce cheap porn ! , when the last time u saw a porno movie on a Caribbean coast ? even i think this is a good time for the companies , USA have an economical Crisis plenty of people are unemployed and who can offer quick money at this time ? who are the companies that are shutting down ? can u name one ? , to my last visit on few sites like bangbros , i can see they are getting bigger !
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#381074 - 12/23/08 03:02 PM
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Whether you go after tube sites, torrent sites, P2P networks, or forums posting Rapid/Mega/Whatever links is neither here nor there. You are just trimming branches off of the tree when you need to be attacking the trunk and/or roots. Nothing can be illegally downloaded unless it is first uploaded. Producers, both in porn and mainstream, need to focus their efforts away from the downloaders and onto the uploaders. Once you've stopped the uploaders, then there will be no downloaders. Killergram apparently have some sort of unique user ID/content-tagging system in play, but I have no idea whether this is a mere bluff or actually true. I'm currently working on a content-tagging method of my own, so I know it to be possible, but I have no idea whether the Killergram system (if real) works along the same lines as what I have devised. My method is labour-intensive, but undetectable, and applicable to a variety of file types such as jpegs, pdfs, mpegs, mp3s, etc. My thinking is that by identifying the uploader(s), you can create a blacklist of people that should be banned from joining adult sites (or any other sort of online content purchase) for life. If legally feasible, I'd also go after them for damages too. Websites need to smarten their respective acts up as well...here are a few easy-to-implement suggestions: 1) If a country does not have sympathetic copyright laws, simply don't do business/accept members from those countries. Yes, you'll be losing a little money, but I believe you'll save more in the long run. 2) Change you business model...the $30 a month smorgasbord is of no use to anyone. Move over to a pay-per-clip business model. If a $30 a month site adds 1 new scene every week, then the nominal price of those scenes is $7.50. A site that has been going for two years and updating weekly will have 104 scenes on it. To buy these scenes individually at the nominal $7.50 value would cost $780, but the brain trusts that run these sites think 'Hey! Let's give away content with a retail value of $780 for $30!'. Let's do the math here...that's 26 times the value. Can anyone here imagine a business that can run successfully when it only takes 1/26th of the price of the content leaving the door? Now, bear in mind that this hypothetical example applies to a site that has been in operation for two years. If the site has been going four years or eight years, the numbers get even more mind boggling, as does the nominal price of each scene. What incentive is there to be a recurring monthly member (paying the full $7.50 value for each scene) when you can wait a month and your $30 now buys you eight scenes instead of four (double the content, same fee...content now has nominal value of $3.25). The monthly membership model only serves to devalue content: Site goes live, 4 scenes @ $30 = $7.50 per scene 2nd month 8 scenes @ $30 = $3.25 per scene 4th month 16 scenes @ $30 = $1.62 per scene 8th month 32 scenes @ $30 = $0.81 per scene 16th month 64 scenes @ $30 = $0.40 per scene In just over a year, the content has become so devalued that you now need to shift 18-19 units to make back the original selling price. It's economic suicide, but that doesn't seem to deter them. How many units are you going to need to shift at 40 cents to break even or make a profit with regards to the production costs? Also, bear in mind that the above is a highly simplified example that assumes the website receives the whole $30, when the reality is that their billing processor (and possibly an affiliate) will need to take their cut. My hypothetical example is the most blue-sky you can get...the reality is a lot worse. Allowing somebody access to your entire content library for $30 is like a pirate's wet dream. If each clip had to be paid for separately at full value, then it would certainly slow the rate at which content leaks out, but the all-you-can-eat-for-$30 model makes things far too easy. For a real-world comparison, imagine some upmarket store like Saks operating a policy whereby shoppers pay $50 to get in, but once in they can take what they want and however much of it they please. The reason they don't run their business in this fashion is beacuse it is fucking stupid to let someone walk out the door with $5,000 worth of merchandise in exchange for $50, yet this is standard practice in the world of adult websites.  The other reason I favour a pay-per-clip model is that it allows you to keep track of who has downloaded what, and which talent/scenarios are the most popular and profitable...another benefit people seem slow to cotton on to.
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#381075 - 12/23/08 04:00 PM
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Max Hardcore Prison Bitch
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#381076 - 12/23/08 05:04 PM
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Gag Factor Guru
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Dan, help me understand.
You said, "Nothing can be illegally downloaded unless it is first uploaded." Don't the pirates get DVDs and copy the content into formats that can be shared on the internet? Or is there a near foolproof way to prevent that?
Your example discusses a $7.50 scene. I don't know of many scenes I'd pay $7.50 for, certainly not for downloaded quality.
If there is a way to implement protection of DVD content, could producers delay internet release until DVD sales of a title have been realized, then release on the internet pay site? Kinda like a mainstream movie going from theatre to rental to pay-per-view to cable?
They said radio would ruin baseball, but it made more fans come out to the ballpark. I don't know what that has to do with this, but there must be a way to make this work. I really like having fresh content I can play on DVD, and I like to go to a site and download a shitload of scenes in a month, so I am having it both ways now. But, really, most sites I join are only worth about what I pay. The pinnacle of porn for me is getting a new Gag Factor DVD in the mailbox, and I don't think that will change.
I think another factor is that no one else gives a damn if I have a bookcase full of porno DVDs. For some, the computer files are a lot easier to keep discretely. Dunno the answer there.
Again, I don't know enough to have a strong opinion, just some questions and thoughts.
-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy
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