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#375134 - 11/17/08 09:06 AM Warmest October ever ...Not!
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Last week, the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) -- one of four agencies responsible for monitoring the global temperatures used by the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change -- released its statistics for October. According to the GISS figures, last month was the warmest October on record around the world.

This struck some observers as odd. There had been no reports of autumn heat waves in the international press and there is almost always blanket coverage of any unusually warm weather since it fits into the widespread media bias that climate catastrophe lies just ahead.

In fact, quite the opposite had occurred; there had been plenty of stories about unseasonably cool weather. London had experienced its first October snow in 70 years. Chicago and the Great Plains states had broken several lowest-temperature records, some of which had stood for 120 years. Tibet had broken snowfall records. Glaciers in Alaska, the Alps and New Zealand had begun advancing.

Moreover, sea ice expanded so rapidly it covered 30% more of the Arctic than at the end of October, 2007. (Of course, you saw few stories about that, too, since interest in the Arctic ice cover is reserved for when it's melting.)

So the GISS claim that October was the warmest ever seemed counterintuitive, to say the least.

Thanks, though, to Steve McIntyre, the Toronto computer analyst who maintains the blog climateaudit.org, and Anthony Watts, the American meteorologist who runs wattsupwiththat.com, we did not have to wait long to find out the cause of the GISS's startling statistics: Data-entry error.




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Doesn't it seem like these climate hysterics are becoming more and more overblown?

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#375135 - 11/17/08 01:04 PM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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This isn't the first time Hansen has made this sort of blunder. He's lucky he's not a climatologist in academia or he's be facing discipline over these things.
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#375136 - 11/17/08 01:44 PM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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It was pretty amusing that yesterday was 91 degrees in southern california and yet it's the middle of november, but I'm the last one to assume it's 100% because of global warming like many others are running around here spouting, since that's a bit simplistic.

There are so many metrics and variables that make up global climate and it's associated fluctuations; no one guy from any agency has the answers any more than L. Ron Hubbard has all the answers. Warehouses full of Cray supercomputers are even brought to their knees when crunching the vast amounts of data needed for climate simulations in the pursuit of determining culprits.

I think climate change, like religion, is simply a case of not having enough data and information to be able to know exactly what's going on. However that shouldn't stop us from just assuming the worst and erring on the side of caution that man's doing is a significant factor in the changes.

Trying to get various governments in the world a bit more eco-aware does seem a bit like herding cats though. China for example cares not one fuck about their massive carbon footprint which is probably the biggest of any country.

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#375137 - 11/17/08 07:10 PM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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Thanks, but no thanks, I’m done with churches. Feel free to kneel at Gores alter if you like though. I see climate change as a function of nature on this planet rather than a political tool. This sort of “error” directly from the mouth of the climate change Chicken Little just seems a little suspicious to me. If it doesn’t to you, then you need to PM me for some great financial opportunities I can get you in to.

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#375138 - 11/17/08 07:29 PM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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I think being too quick to dismiss climate change as pure political propaganda is equally as foolish as any blind assumption that the sky's falling and it's all man's fault. It can't possibly be all one thing or all the other - the truth is likely somewhere in the middle.

The more I read, the more it seems like a scale of natural balance may have been tipped by man's doing, sort of like the first domino in a long chain not requiring much effort to push over. I find out later that such thinking was in error, I'd be wholly relieved, for it'd be a great thing to be proven wrong about.

Bottom line, if you hear a noise in the kitchen in the middle of the night, most people just go and check it out, without first needing to contemplate what any rigid sociopolitical ideology has to say on the matter.

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#375139 - 11/17/08 07:53 PM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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I like to base my decisions on more than gut feelings, and actually most people would wait for more evidence that the noise in the kitchen was more than just the dog sniffing around, before they dragged themselves out of bed.

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#375140 - 11/18/08 03:09 AM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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I think being too quick to dismiss climate change as pure political propaganda is equally as foolish as any blind assumption that the sky's falling and it's all man's fault.



Human-forced global warming clearly is political propaganda. There's hardly any question when the UN appoints a railroad engineer with no climatology experience to lead IPCC, and when Gore tries to ride the issue as a political comeback.

Now, it might actually be right. But it's definitely political propaganda, right or wrong.

Much of the problem is that people expect quick answers to problems, and climatology is really, really hard. We don't know how to predict the temperature 50 years from now, or even next week.

Part of the problem can be seen in the name - "Global Warming". The climate would be warming on a scale of millennia even if there were no humans at all! The question is "human-caused warming" and that is a much harder problem to measure.

The computer models are nowhere near as good as claimed - they're just now getting reasonably good at predicting the past but the accuracy of predictions of the future are unknown. The best modelers can predict how warm it was in 1999 but getting 2009 right is another matter.

And even predicting the effect of human-caused changes isn't easy. For example if you assume glaciers will melt you have to keep in mind that more liquid water will absorb a lot of CO2 from the atmosphere, and that rising oceans reflect a lot more sunlight, meaning less heating of the Earth. Which effect dominates? Nobody knows.
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#375141 - 11/21/08 10:57 PM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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2. Start it up, get comfy in the driver's seat, and start a diary, minute-by-minute, how man's effect upon the planet is trivial.


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#375142 - 11/21/08 11:11 PM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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what's melting down faster the gwhoracle or the polar ice caps?



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#375143 - 12/10/08 07:33 AM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

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POZNAN, Poland - The UN global warming conference currently underway in Poland is about to face a serious challenge from over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe who are criticizing the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore. Set for release this week, a newly updated U.S. Senate Minority Report features the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists, many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN. The report has added about 250 scientists (and growing) in 2008 to the over 400 scientists who spoke out in 2007. The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.

The U.S. Senate report is the latest evidence of the growing groundswell of scientific opposition rising to challenge the UN and Gore. Full Report Set To Be Released in the Next 24 Hours – Stay Tuned…

A hint of what the upcoming report contains:

“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.

“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico

“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.

“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.

“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.

“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.

“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.

“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata. # #




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#375144 - 12/10/08 01:24 PM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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#375145 - 12/11/08 09:56 PM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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U.S. Senate Minority Report features the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists




Certainly, 650 scientists from a world population of close to 7,000,000,000 must mean something. And they ARE responding to a minority report...

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“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.




Blatant, I tells ya! Media!

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“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.




Asking New Zealand to comment on global warming would be akin to asking the University of Washington to weigh in on the BCS system for college football.

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“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.




The "fact" being..

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“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata. # #




Probably a big fan of Operation Condor.

And these are ALL safety schools/residual governmental postings...
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#375146 - 12/11/08 11:40 PM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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Certainly, 650 scientists from a world population of close to 7,000,000,000 must mean something.




The point of this eludes me. How is it different from the original UN Global Warming report?

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Asking New Zealand to comment on global warming would be akin to asking the University of Washington to weigh in on the BCS system for college football.




One of the most respected hurricane researchers in the US, Bill Gray, is based in the mountains of Colorado in the western US.

Science isn't like politics: science by acclaim is almost always bad science. Good science comes from theories that are poked at by smart people looking for weaknesses and glossed-over assumptions.

The most famous example is the Einstein vs. Bohr "gedanken" (thought) experiment debates over "does God play dice?" When experts at a high level have a serious go at each other's theories you get a lot of confidence in the results: that Bohr survived a strong effort by Einstein against indeterminacy was a huge step forward for Bohr's theory.

Much (not all!) of the objection to Global Warming theories would go away if it were subjected to the same kind of scientific debate as other scientific theories are, or required to meet the same kind of experimental verification as other scientific theories. Instead the entire thing has been moved into the political sphere, where consensus and unanimity are valued and questioning is considered disloyal.
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#375147 - 12/12/08 05:20 AM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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You can dispute nothing actually said in the report, Gunker, just make idiotic unrelated comments. It's laughable to see what passes for the scientific process in the liberal mind.

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#375148 - 12/29/08 07:54 AM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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2008 was the year man-made global warming was disproved


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Looking back over my columns of the past 12 months, one of their major themes was neatly encapsulated by two recent items from The Daily Telegraph.

The first, on May 21, headed "Climate change threat to Alpine ski resorts" , reported that the entire Alpine "winter sports industry" could soon "grind to a halt for lack of snow". The second, on December 19, headed "The Alps have best snow conditions in a generation" , reported that this winter's Alpine snowfalls "look set to beat all records by New Year's Day".

Easily one of the most important stories of 2008 has been all the evidence suggesting that this may be looked back on as the year when there was a turning point in the great worldwide panic over man-made global warming. Just when politicians in Europe and America have been adopting the most costly and damaging measures politicians have ever proposed, to combat this supposed menace, the tide has turned in three significant respects.

First, all over the world, temperatures have been dropping in a way wholly unpredicted by all those computer models which have been used as the main drivers of the scare. Last winter, as temperatures plummeted, many parts of the world had snowfalls on a scale not seen for decades. This winter, with the whole of Canada and half the US under snow, looks likely to be even worse. After several years flatlining, global temperatures have dropped sharply enough to cancel out much of their net rise in the 20th century.

Ever shriller and more frantic has become the insistence of the warmists, cheered on by their army of media groupies such as the BBC, that the last 10 years have been the "hottest in history" and that the North Pole would soon be ice-free – as the poles remain defiantly icebound and those polar bears fail to drown. All those hysterical predictions that we are seeing more droughts and hurricanes than ever before have infuriatingly failed to materialise.

Even the more cautious scientific acolytes of the official orthodoxy now admit that, thanks to "natural factors" such as ocean currents, temperatures have failed to rise as predicted (although they plaintively assure us that this cooling effect is merely "masking the underlying warming trend", and that the temperature rise will resume worse than ever by the middle of the next decade).

Secondly, 2008 was the year when any pretence that there was a "scientific consensus" in favour of man-made global warming collapsed. At long last, as in the Manhattan Declaration last March, hundreds of proper scientists, including many of the world's most eminent climate experts, have been rallying to pour scorn on that "consensus" which was only a politically engineered artefact, based on ever more blatantly manipulated data and computer models programmed to produce no more than convenient fictions.

Thirdly, as banks collapsed and the global economy plunged into its worst recession for decades, harsh reality at last began to break in on those self-deluding dreams which have for so long possessed almost every politician in the western world. As we saw in this month's Poznan conference, when 10,000 politicians, officials and "environmentalists" gathered to plan next year's "son of Kyoto" treaty in Copenhagen, panicking politicians are waking up to the fact that the world can no longer afford all those quixotic schemes for "combating climate change" with which they were so happy to indulge themselves in more comfortable times.

Suddenly it has become rather less appealing that we should divert trillions of dollars, pounds and euros into the fantasy that we could reduce emissions of carbon dioxide by 80 per cent. All those grandiose projects for "emissions trading", "carbon capture", building tens of thousands more useless wind turbines, switching vast areas of farmland from producing food to "biofuels", are being exposed as no more than enormously damaging and futile gestures, costing astronomic sums we no longer possess.

As 2009 dawns, it is time we in Britain faced up to the genuine crisis now fast approaching from the fact that – unless we get on very soon with building enough proper power stations to fill our looming "energy gap" - within a few years our lights will go out and what remains of our economy will judder to a halt. After years of infantile displacement activity, it is high time our politicians – along with those of the EU and President Obama's US – were brought back with a mighty jolt into contact with the real world.






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#375149 - 12/29/08 08:44 AM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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#375150 - 12/29/08 08:46 AM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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#375151 - 12/29/08 08:57 AM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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Sun spots are a good idea, but not very practical to the liberal mind. There is just no way to lay blame for it on the population at large, therefore they have no excuse to take liberties and freedoms away. That's just bad liberal policy.

I think, in the future liberals may be able to blame sunspots on magnetic interference from cell phone use and therefore try to control capitalism in order to "Save The World", but you're talking years of convincing people to throw away any scientific reason they have. Look how long it took to dupe people into this man made global warming crap.

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#375152 - 12/31/08 07:14 AM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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Environment minister Sammy Wilson: I still think man-made climate change is a con


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Spending billions on trying to reduce carbon emissions is one giant con that is depriving third world countries of vital funds to tackle famine, HIV and other diseases, Sammy Wilson said.

The DUP minister has been heavily criticised by environmentalists for claiming that ongoing climatic shifts are down to nature and not mankind.

But while acknowledging his views on global warming may not be popular, the East Antrim MP said he was not prepared to be bullied by eco fundamentalists.

“I’ll not be stopped saying what I believe needs to be said about climate change,” he said.

most of the people who shout about climate change have not read one article about it

“I think in 20 years’ time we will look back at this whole climate change debate and ask ourselves how on earth were we ever conned into spending the billions of pounds which are going into this without any kind of rigorous examination of the background, the science, the implications of it all. Because there is now a degree of hysteria about it, fairly unformed hysteria I’ve got to say as well.

“I mean I get it in the Assembly all the time and most of the people who shout about climate change have not read one article about climate change, not read one book about climate change, if you asked them to explain how they believe there’s a connection between CO2 emission and the effects which they claim there’s going to be, if you ask them to explain the thought process or the modelling that is required and the assumptions behind that and how tenuous all the connections are, they wouldn’t have a clue.

“They simply get letters about it from all these lobby groups, it’s popular and therefore they go along with the flow — and that would be ok if there were no implications for it, but the implications are immense.”

He said while people in the western world were facing spiralling fuel bills as a result of efforts to cut CO2, the implications in poorer countries were graver.

“What are the problems that face us either locally and internationally. Are those not the things we should be concentrating on?” he asked.

“HIV, lack of clean water, which kills millions of people in third world countries, lack of education.

“A fraction of the money we are currently spending on climate change could actually eradicate those three problems alone, a fraction of it.

“I think as a society we sometimes need to get some of these things in perspective and when I listen to some of the rubbish that is spoken by some of my colleagues in the Assembly it amuses me at times and other times it angers me.”

Despite his views on CO2, Mr Wilson said he does not intend to backtrack on commitments made by his predecessor at the Department of the Environment, Arlene Foster, to make the Stormont estate carbon neutral.

He said while he wasn’t worried about reducing CO2 output, he said the policy would help to cut fuels bills.

“I don’t couch those actions in terms of reducing Co2 emissions,” he said. “I don’t care about Co2 emissions to be quite truthful because I don’t think it’s all that important but what I do believe is, and perhaps this is where there can be some convergence, as far as using fuel more efficiently that is good for our economy; that makes us more competitive. If we can save in schools hundreds of thousands on fuel that’s more money being put for books or classroom assistants.

“So yes there are things we can do. If you want to express it terms of carbon neutral, I just express it terms of making the place more efficient, less wasteful and hopefully that will release money to do the proper things that we should be doing.”





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#375153 - 01/19/09 09:25 AM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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President 'has four years to save Earth'

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Barrack Obama has only four years to save the world. That is the stark assessment of Nasa scientist and leading climate expert Jim Hansen who last week warned only urgent action by the new president could halt the devastating climate change that now threatens Earth. Crucially, that action will have to be taken within Obama's first administration, he added.

Soaring carbon emissions are already causing ice-cap melting and threaten to trigger global flooding, widespread species loss and major disruptions of weather patterns in the near future. "We cannot afford to put off change any longer," said Hansen. "We have to get on a new path within this new administration. We have only four years left for Obama to set an example to the rest of the world. America must take the lead."

Hansen said current carbon levels in the atmosphere were already too high to prevent runaway greenhouse warming. Yet the levels are still rising despite all the efforts of politicians and scientists.

Only the US now had the political muscle to lead the world and halt the rise, Hansen said. Having refused to recognise that global warming posed any risk at all over the past eight years, the US now had to take a lead as the world's greatest carbon emitter and the planet's largest economy. Cap-and-trade schemes, in which emission permits are bought and sold, have failed, he said, and must now be replaced by a carbon tax that will imposed on all producers of fossil fuels. At the same time, there must be a moratorium on new power plants that burn coal - the world's worst carbon emitter.

Hansen - head of the Goddard Institute of Space Studies and winner of the WWF's top conservation award - first warned Earth was in danger from climate change in 1988 and has been the victim of several unsuccessful attempts by the White House administration of George Bush to silence his views.

Hansen's institute monitors temperature fluctuations at thousands of sites round the world, data that has led him to conclude that most estimates of sea level rises triggered by rising atmospheric temperatures are too low and too conservative. For example, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says a rise of between 20cm and 60cm can be expected by the end of the century.

However, Hansen said feedbacks in the climate system are already accelerating ice melt and are threatening to lead to the collapse of ice sheets. Sea-level rises will therefore be far greater - a claim backed last week by a group of British, Danish and Finnish scientists who said studies of past variations in climate indicate that a far more likely figure for sea-level rise will be about 1.4 metres, enough to cause devastating flooding of many of the world's major cities and of low-lying areas of Holland, Bangladesh and other nations.

As a result of his fears about sea-level rise, Hansen said he had pressed both Britain's Royal Society and the US National Academy of Sciences to carry out an urgent investigation of the state of the planet's ice-caps. However, nothing had come of his proposals. The first task of Obama's new climate office should therefore be to order such a probe "as a matter of urgency", Hansen added.





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#375154 - 01/19/09 03:12 PM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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Mr. 2cit, I don't want to derail your personal 'climate change thread', but I really, really believe that the President 'has four years to save Earth'.

Only the new president of the US can save our world. He alone. And by himself.

I agree. It just gets better. Exaggeration doesn't help to convince me of all this climate change stuff.
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#375155 - 01/19/09 03:36 PM Re: Warmest October ever ...Not!
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Four years to save the world. That means some time in 2013. But the world is supposed to end on December 21, 2012. I think Barack had better take care of that first.
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