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#372585 - 11/05/08 11:11 PM
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Porn Jesus
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Forget it, Freestylah. He's bought into the nonsense.
He talked about the young people not remembering Carter, and forgets that our college kids are too young to remember the Soviet Union, for which "socialism" is code. It's a word older folks are scared of, which is why he went with it in PA, Iowa and FL. Lots of older folks.
Problem is American seniors often rely on the benefit from the "socialism" of Social Security. And, with the market tanking, the right's recent plan to privatize SS was a small factor in their demise. I know for a fact reminding seniors in FL, who otherwise feared Obama, that they would have lost SS dollars - on top of their 401k loses - helped keep older democrats in the fold.
Plus, everytime they yelled "socialism", the left whispers [wrongly but effectively]: "See! Now that they couldn't steal your Social Security, they want to KILL it." Having Joe the Idiot mumble his animosity for Social Security, and McCain lauding him anyway, only helped reinforce this interpretation.
In hard times, people want/need safety nets. I expect that one of his "socialist" acts will be to extend unemployment benefits. Let those that oppose such a measure in areas losing jobs beware.
Very Palin of you.
Pictures, name calling, but no substance.
Examples of the radical socialism agenda would be better evidence.
I don't know you and thus you may not be familiar with my history on the board. I enjoy intelligent conversation and discussion on a variety of topics. I would say my history is that when a person makes a valid point against my point of view, I concede it. I'm able to admit when I've been wrong.
The problem I see with the Conservative, adversarial GOP base is that they've lost the ability to do this. If you opposed Emperor Bush, you were unpatriotic. The GOP never did any wrong, and the closest they came to "we fucked up" is when they say "we're looking forward and you want to dwell on the past". This last one is odd since they seem to live in the past with everything going back to how Reagan did things - that was 20-28 years ago.
But, I haven't forgotten Reagan. And, Reagan won by wooing the so-called 'Reagan Democrats'. Reagan Democrats like me, I VOTED FOR REAGAN.
A Democrat friend from college called me today to ask which was better for me: Reagan beating Carter or Obama winning yesterday. He remembers my dancing around the dorm when Reagan won. He remembers the cases of Bartels Beer [the old Professor] I bought and freely distributed [granted a case of it was cheaper than a case of soda].
And, for me the answer was Reagan. I'm happy Obama won, and happy the Bush policies will surely end. But, I did NO celebrating. No drinks. No phone calls. No dancing. No loud cheers.
Maybe I was tempered in celebrating by the fact that in the end, I wasn't thrilled with Reagan. But, it's likely not that at all.
I'm not Elab or Gunker. I have concerns about Obama, but less than I had about what McCain had become since circa 2006.
There are many valid reasons to have supported McCain: Year more experience, military background, doubting Obama's promises, belief in the Laffer curve, a court that establishes less Federal power, proven bipartisanship, etc.
But, this "socialism" stuff is pure crap. And, the people of Indiana, Pennsylvania, Ohio, etc. seem to have agreed. It didn't turn the tide he needed. In Pennsylvania he lost by 11%. Way to cut the gap.
Yet McCain is the only Republican of those who ran who really could have wooed me.
In truth, the Republican Party has lost me and almost all other Reagan Democrats. The "base" of the GOP has successfully driven us away. And, if your party continues with divisive nonsense, the Chrazy Christian agenda, unsubstantiated catch-phrases and name-calling like "socialist" in lieu of policies, and running ignorant incompetents like Palin, they will have problems reaching a growing number of moderates and fail in regaining the power they achieved in 2000.
If anything, Obama created "Obama Republicans" for this election. Look at the number of Republicans, especially those Reaganites, who endorsed Obama.
Look at the otherwise Republican leaning newspapers and financial publications that endorsed Obama - some endorsing a Democrat for the very first time.
Look at the Hispanics who supported Bush who left the GOP in the last two years. Those of the southwest who are angry about the harsh words in the immigration act fight, and the 3rd generation Cubans who don't have a connection to the Bay of Pigs, etc. That could mean long term trouble in Florida and the Southwest.
Look at the well-paid college educated people in Virginia and Colorado who voted for Bush twice who voted for Obama.
And, yet you contend that all these people are stupid enough "drink the Kook Aid" and miss the 'socialism' you found so pronounced in his speeches?
Will the conversion of these people to Democrats last? I doubt it completely, but who really knows.
Look who stayed loyal to the GOP in great numbers, Palin's "Real Americans: Rural, under-educated, low paid, devout Protestant whites. People who yell "Terrorist", "Socialist", "Muslim" and "Kill Him". Like they have any real idea what Socialism is. I doubt half of them could define the term accurately. But, they are adept at parroting slanders at loud volume.
Do me a favor: Make a cogent, valid, well-constructed argument with concrete examples or go away.
And, I guarantee you if you have good, valid points that prove me wrong, I will acknowledge them.
I'm always open to having my opinion changed, I concede that like the rest of the human race I'm not perfect, and, the only way for me to learn and grow is thru people with more knowledge and better, sounder positions schooling me on where I'm wrong.
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#372588 - 11/06/08 02:31 PM
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AC Cream Wannabe
Registered: 08/07/08
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Very Palin of you.
Pictures, name calling, but no substance.
When did I call you a name? Unfortunately many have drank the Obama Koolaid. Which is why I posted the picture. (In good humor) He'll go through his honeymoon period, and all who supported him will continue to think that he's the messiah. But Sooner or later he'll take office, and reality will set in.
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Examples of the radical socialism agenda would be better evidence.
For the 3rd time...I'm only going by what he said during his campaign. He's made allot of promises. What is he gonna need to do to keep these promises? Does the money fall out of the sky? All through the campaign, people who were polled thought that he would be better for the economy. Yet the Dow has fallen about 1000 points since he won. It had been going up slowly but steadily, leading up to the election. But then had an anti climax when Obama won. Seems to me that investors aren't very optimistic or confident about the new President-elect, just yet. Why is that?
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I don't know you and thus you may not be familiar with my history on the board. I enjoy intelligent conversation and discussion on a variety of topics. I would say my history is that when a person makes a valid point against my point of view, I concede it. I'm able to admit when I've been wrong.
You came to me, and responded to one of my posts. It's not like I went into one of your threads, to start an argument. In fact, I had to respond to at least three different people in this thread. Who started arguing in response to what I said.
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The problem I see with the Conservative, adversarial GOP base is that they've lost the ability to do this. If you opposed Emperor Bush, you were unpatriotic.
The president was taken to task on many issues during his 8 years. No one was treating him like an Emperor. In addition to the constant bomb throwing from the left, He took some pretty good hits by his own party when it came to Illegal Immigration, The attempted appointment of Harriot Meyers to the Supreme court, not using the Veto as often as he should have, No child left behind, and more recently the bailout. McCain had also been opposed to offshore drilling until the reality of high oil prices set in. He also was opposed to the President's tax cut proposals early in his first term. McCain was wrong about that too, but to his credit, he changed his mind when he realized it. I could site many more examples but this post is getting long. One thing is for sure, Bush has seen allot opposition from other Republicans during his eight years. While Democrats in congress will continue to Goose step behind their Party's Presidents. (Like good socialists ) I'll point that out again in 6-12 months from now when I notice it happening again. (And believe me, it will)
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The GOP never did any wrong, and the closest they came to "we fucked up" is when they say "we're looking forward and you want to dwell on the past".
Very few in politics own up to their mistakes. Can you remember the last time a Democrat politician has? Has Barney Frank admitted to his mistakes? You'd never know that Clinton ever made a mistake by listening to him. Blame tossing seems to be the name of the game, and I'll give the democrats credit...They're very good at it. I've seen some excellent examples of blame tossing and spin for the past eight years, and from Obama supporters within this forum, for the past couple of days. I concede that they're the uncontested champions at spinning their point of view using clever deception, and deflection. But this doesn't signify competence in being able to fix problems. (enter Obama in January) There's no way to out spin or out lie, a Democrat. The only way to defeat them is with the truth. The Obama euphoria will end, and truth will unfold in the next four years. It's gonna be interesting to watch.
There are a few Intellectually honest Dems (Like Jim B in this forum) But they're an extreme minority, and often get bashed and ridiculed, for speaking their minds.
For the record, I never thought that McCain was a perfect solution. I wasn't very enthusiastic for either one of these candidates. It just came down to who I thought was the lesser of two evils. Unfortunately, the lesser evil lost.
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This last one is odd since they seem to live in the past with everything going back to how Reagan did things - that was 20-28 years ago.
You mean the way some Democrats still live in the 90s?
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But, I haven't forgotten Reagan. And, Reagan won by wooing the so-called 'Reagan Democrats'. Reagan Democrats like me, I VOTED FOR REAGAN.
I'm glad to see that you weren't always wrong. Maybe I'll succeed in convincing you before his first term is up. Four years is an eternity in politics. Allot can "Change" but perhaps not for the better.
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I'm happy Obama won, and happy the Bush policies will surely end. But, I did NO celebrating. No drinks. No phone calls. No dancing. No loud cheers.
I definitely needed a couple of drinks Tuesday night. But like I mentioned earlier, I wasn't shocked that McCain lost.
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But, this "socialism" stuff is pure crap.
Redistributing wealth isn't socialism? What is it then? I found it amusing the way Obama and Biden kept lowering the bar, as to who the wealthy people were, while promising tax cuts for the middle class. First it was people making over 250K, then 200K, then 150K, all in the span of only 10 days. While promising that no one else under those income levels would be affected. I guess too many people were caught up with being wooed by the feel good Obama euphoria, to notice.
I've been saying for months that his Tax cut promises for the middle class were bogus, and that will be proven soon. In fact, I suspect that everyone making even just 30-40K a year will see a tax hike, eventually. Of course you'll see even more blame tossing, as a justification on going back on these promises. Instead of admitting to lying to people when the promises were made. Going back to what we talked about earlier, about admitting to mistakes. You heard it from me first, and I plan to resurrect these threads in the future to show how most (If not all) of my predictions passed.
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And, the people of Indiana, Pennsylvania, Ohio, etc. seem to have agreed. It didn't turn the tide he needed. In Pennsylvania he lost by 11%. Way to cut the gap.
McCain lost in the end, because he reached out to the other side too much in his career. If I'm not mistaken, it was about 20% of the Republican base who usually vote, that didn't show up for McCain this year. I'll check later, to be sure. In fact, many Republican voters haven't shown up in recent elections as a way to punish Republican politicians who failed to represent them. Some for socially conservative reasons, some for fiscal reasons, and some for the lack of Border control etc...and this is the biggest reason why they lost in 2006, and 2008. Not because they failed to woo the other side.
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Yet McCain is the only Republican of those who ran who really could have wooed me.
In truth, the Republican Party has lost me and almost all other Reagan Democrats. The "base" of the GOP has successfully driven us away. And, if your party continues with divisive nonsense, the Chrazy Christian agenda, unsubstantiated catch-phrases and name-calling like "socialist" in lieu of policies, and running ignorant incompetents like Palin, they will have problems reaching a growing number of moderates and fail in regaining the power they achieved in 2000.
And there was no Divisiveness in this last quote? I believe that reaching moderates is going to be much less of a priority in the coming years. With the coming of an extremely liberal President, working with an extremely liberal congress, the Republicans are gonna be getting back to their "Reagan conservative roots". The moderate fence sitters are going to naturally shift over, when the mood of the country changes again.
You talk about How Reagan wooed you, but what you seem to fail to recognize is that Reagan was fiscally and socially more conservative than Bush and McCain, put together. Do you really believe that he did anything to reach across the aisle to woo you in his policies? He was gonna be fiscally and socially as conservative as He thought he could get away with.
It's the same with Clinton, he ran as a Blue dog conservative Democrat. But the truth be told...he continued to be as liberal for as long as he thought he could get away with it. Not what he ran as...at least Reagan was up front, about his conservatism.
For the record, I'm not a religious person, and am not socially conservative. I was the one who posted in this forum, about wanting to see fake snuff porn and more forced rape porn. Which I'm sure that the socially conservative faction of the R party, would disapprove of...But I do realize that the Republican party is a coalition of different types of people. We're not gonna win without the socially conservative base, and they're not gonna win without us. THAT'S what McCain failed to realize. Am I willing to vote for a social conservative, when they stand for the other things that I believe in?
You Betcha!
Also, before you go talking about those "Chrazy unedumacated Christians" let's not forget the religious/racist nuts, and domestic terrorists, who backed Obama. (Rev wright, Farahkahn, Bill Aires etc..) There's plenty of glass in both political houses, that can be broken.
Many in porn forums tend to lean Democrat, because they feel the Republicans are a threat to their livelihood. I've bought allot of porn over the years, and had plans to continue. But if Obama, and his crew get away with the taxation, I believe they're going to attempt to pass? I, and many others, won't be buying anything for years to come. To help recoup our losses. I'm probably not alone on this...and that won't be good for people's livelihoods, either. (Porn or otherwise) But I REALLY hope that I'm mistaken.
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If anything, Obama created "Obama Republicans" for this election. Look at the number of Republicans, especially those Reaganites, who endorsed Obama.
If you mean the squishy left of center, elitist David Gergen types? The talk I'm hearing lately in Republican circles, is "good riddance". In fact there's even talk of replacing the older Republicans in congress who failed to Represent their constituents, with some fresh replacements.
But I admit that that may be easier said than done. I think the mood in the party right now is to reject the moderates and get back to their original platform, without wavering. Getting back to Reagan conservatism, if you will. If this means losing a few election cycles to get their point across, and achieving that goal? They MAY be willing to do it.
There's just too much corruption in DC right now, and unless a way is found to impose term limits on Senators and Representatives...it'll never change. The problem is that they're the law makers, and are not likely to do the right thing to make it happen. They enjoy the corruption that they're benefiting from, and don't want it to change. (Both parties) THAT'S the biggest shame politically, in our country. Which is also why the country usually rejects Senatorial candidates. Though this year there were few other options.
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Look at the otherwise Republican leaning newspapers and financial publications that endorsed Obama - some endorsing a Democrat for the very first time.
I'm not doubting you, but could you list them for me? Or Preferably pass a link to these articles?
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Look at the well-paid college educated people in Virginia and Colorado who voted for Bush twice who voted for Obama.
And, yet you contend that all these people are stupid enough "drink the Kook Aid" and miss the 'socialism' you found so pronounced in his speeches?
Will the conversion of these people to Democrats last? I doubt it completely
Which will dismiss most of what you said about reaching moderates. The elitist moderates who keep preaching to the Republican base about how they need to "change" and reach out to the other side, will be back after they get their tax hikes for the next four years. It won't be hard to win over many Hispanics after four years of Obama's regime, either.
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Do me a favor: Make a cogent, valid, well-constructed argument with concrete examples or go away.
What's considered cogent or Valid is highly subjective. Why should I be the one to go away, when you approached me first in this thread? Maybe I should tell you to fuck off..
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And, I guarantee you if you have good, valid points that prove me wrong, I will acknowledge them.
It'll be hard for you to acknowledge anything, while you're wearing Blinders. It's gonna take time. IF you're truly reachable. (Which I haven't concluded yet)
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I'm always open to having my opinion changed, I concede that like the rest of the human race I'm not perfect, and, the only way for me to learn and grow is thru people with more knowledge and better, sounder positions schooling me on where I'm wrong.
You're a big boy and can make up your own mind. I'm not In a PORN FORUM to school people about politics. I'd go to a political forum to do that. I didn't say much of anything politically, in the days leading up to the election.
I'm just giving my opinion in the wake of a disastrous Presidential election. In the off topic section of this forum.
I don't hate Obama personally. But I do hate redistribution of wealth, and I don't enjoy having my money STOLEN by SOCIALISTS in the Government. That's NOT what I served 11 years in the Army to protect. (Socialism) 
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#372589 - 11/06/08 02:31 PM
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Ted is taking a surprisingly long time to die despite all that abuse and drinking over the years, isn't he. So many years with the pumpkin head and red face and he's still ticking. I wonder if all that alcohol pickled and preserved him.
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The cancer cells can't get any traction in that environment. Kidding aside, it's a bad way to go. Had a family member with brain cancer - took a year from initial diagnosis to death. The trip was no fun.
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#372590 - 11/06/08 02:45 PM
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MK-77 wrote:
"I don't hate Obama personally. But I do hate redistribution of wealth, and I don't enjoy having my money STOLEN by SOCIALISTS in the Government. That's NOT what I served 11 years in the Army to protect."
It's not really mature or intelligent to blame others for the ignorant decisions you made.
Oh, and you still have no idea about socialism. If redistributing wealth equals socialism, (almost) every country in the world is socialist in nature. Taxes are the tool for redistribution of wealth.
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#372591 - 11/06/08 03:26 PM
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Registered: 08/07/08
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MK-77 wrote:
"I don't hate Obama personally. But I do hate redistribution of wealth, and I don't enjoy having my money STOLEN by SOCIALISTS in the Government. That's NOT what I served 11 years in the Army to protect."
It's not really mature or intelligent to blame others for the ignorant decisions you made.
Boy, look at the brain on you! But it's very telling about someone who would even say, what you just said. Now go fuck yourself.
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#372592 - 11/06/08 03:30 PM
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Registered: 12/28/07
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Wow, you are really frustrated, aren't you? Now, go read some books instead of watching one horror flick after the other. Thanks for playing!
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#372593 - 11/06/08 03:37 PM
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watching mk-77 ramble on like this after the right wing thunderfuck style defeat makes me fucking laugh my socialist Canadian ass off. your like the morons who kept buying beta LMFAO have fun in the past turd...its an easier and more ignorant life..find a fucking bunker, please. in summary YOU LOSE... 
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#372594 - 11/06/08 03:45 PM
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Registered: 08/07/08
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Wow, you are really frustrated, aren't you? Now, go read some books instead of watching one horror flick after the other. Thanks for playing!
You were complimenting my Horror movie, not so long ago. Thanks for playing? What a joke.
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#372595 - 11/06/08 03:52 PM
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Registered: 08/07/08
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watching mk-77 ramble on like this
after the right wing thunderfuck style defeat makes me fucking laugh my socialist Canadian ass off.
your like the morons who kept buying beta LMFAO
have fun in the past turd...its an easier and more ignorant life..find a fucking bunker, please.
in summary YOU LOSE...
The Republicans lost the battle, but not the war. But again, you're just some half witted socialist moon bat, who can't even vote in our elections. So anything a Canadian douchebag like you has to say is laughable to me, and not to be taken seriously.
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#372599 - 11/07/08 01:08 PM
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If three minutes worth of work impresses you, it explains much. FWIW: The Times has been reporting that Obama wants Gates to stay on, at least on an interim basis, but it's not likely to happen. Lugar and Hagel are reportedly also being considered for State, if Gates passes on the offer.
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