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Forget it, Freestylah. He's bought into the nonsense.

He talked about the young people not remembering Carter, and forgets that our college kids are too young to remember the Soviet Union, for which "socialism" is code. It's a word older folks are scared of, which is why he went with it in PA, Iowa and FL. Lots of older folks.

Problem is American seniors often rely on the benefit from the "socialism" of Social Security. And, with the market tanking, the right's recent plan to privatize SS was a small factor in their demise. I know for a fact reminding seniors in FL, who otherwise feared Obama, that they would have lost SS dollars - on top of their 401k loses - helped keep older democrats in the fold.

Plus, everytime they yelled "socialism", the left whispers [wrongly but effectively]: "See! Now that they couldn't steal your Social Security, they want to KILL it." Having Joe the Idiot mumble his animosity for Social Security, and McCain lauding him anyway, only helped reinforce this interpretation.

In hard times, people want/need safety nets. I expect that one of his "socialist" acts will be to extend unemployment benefits. Let those that oppose such a measure in areas losing jobs beware.








Very Palin of you.

Pictures, name calling, but no substance.

Examples of the radical socialism agenda would be better evidence.

I don't know you and thus you may not be familiar with my history on the board. I enjoy intelligent conversation and discussion on a variety of topics. I would say my history is that when a person makes a valid point against my point of view, I concede it. I'm able to admit when I've been wrong.

The problem I see with the Conservative, adversarial GOP base is that they've lost the ability to do this. If you opposed Emperor Bush, you were unpatriotic. The GOP never did any wrong, and the closest they came to "we fucked up" is when they say "we're looking forward and you want to dwell on the past". This last one is odd since they seem to live in the past with everything going back to how Reagan did things - that was 20-28 years ago.

But, I haven't forgotten Reagan. And, Reagan won by wooing the so-called 'Reagan Democrats'. Reagan Democrats like me, I VOTED FOR REAGAN.

A Democrat friend from college called me today to ask which was better for me: Reagan beating Carter or Obama winning yesterday. He remembers my dancing around the dorm when Reagan won. He remembers the cases of Bartels Beer [the old Professor] I bought and freely distributed [granted a case of it was cheaper than a case of soda].

And, for me the answer was Reagan. I'm happy Obama won, and happy the Bush policies will surely end. But, I did NO celebrating. No drinks. No phone calls. No dancing. No loud cheers.

Maybe I was tempered in celebrating by the fact that in the end, I wasn't thrilled with Reagan. But, it's likely not that at all.

I'm not Elab or Gunker. I have concerns about Obama, but less than I had about what McCain had become since circa 2006.

There are many valid reasons to have supported McCain: Year more experience, military background, doubting Obama's promises, belief in the Laffer curve, a court that establishes less Federal power, proven bipartisanship, etc.

But, this "socialism" stuff is pure crap. And, the people of Indiana, Pennsylvania, Ohio, etc. seem to have agreed. It didn't turn the tide he needed. In Pennsylvania he lost by 11%. Way to cut the gap.


Yet McCain is the only Republican of those who ran who really could have wooed me.

In truth, the Republican Party has lost me and almost all other Reagan Democrats. The "base" of the GOP has successfully driven us away. And, if your party continues with divisive nonsense, the Chrazy Christian agenda, unsubstantiated catch-phrases and name-calling like "socialist" in lieu of policies, and running ignorant incompetents like Palin, they will have problems reaching a growing number of moderates and fail in regaining the power they achieved in 2000.

If anything, Obama created "Obama Republicans" for this election. Look at the number of Republicans, especially those Reaganites, who endorsed Obama.

Look at the otherwise Republican leaning newspapers and financial publications that endorsed Obama - some endorsing a Democrat for the very first time.

Look at the Hispanics who supported Bush who left the GOP in the last two years. Those of the southwest who are angry about the harsh words in the immigration act fight, and the 3rd generation Cubans who don't have a connection to the Bay of Pigs, etc. That could mean long term trouble in Florida and the Southwest.

Look at the well-paid college educated people in Virginia and Colorado who voted for Bush twice who voted for Obama.

And, yet you contend that all these people are stupid enough "drink the Kook Aid" and miss the 'socialism' you found so pronounced in his speeches?

Will the conversion of these people to Democrats last? I doubt it completely, but who really knows.


Look who stayed loyal to the GOP in great numbers, Palin's "Real Americans: Rural, under-educated, low paid, devout Protestant whites. People who yell "Terrorist", "Socialist", "Muslim" and "Kill Him". Like they have any real idea what Socialism is. I doubt half of them could define the term accurately. But, they are adept at parroting slanders at loud volume.



Do me a favor: Make a cogent, valid, well-constructed argument with concrete examples or go away.

And, I guarantee you if you have good, valid points that prove me wrong, I will acknowledge them.

I'm always open to having my opinion changed, I concede that like the rest of the human race I'm not perfect, and, the only way for me to learn and grow is thru people with more knowledge and better, sounder positions schooling me on where I'm wrong.
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