@Jim, true that. I meant "red may be dead" in terms of the short term and this election cycle. Republicans won't be crawling into any holes to hide for 4 years I'm sure.

Agreed Obama will have a hell of a row to hoe if elected, and long-term problems that won't be fixed overnight will be the presumable talking points for Rush, Fox news and others going forward. At least Obama appears to stay cool under fire; not sure the same would hold true for McCain, who's always struck me as a bit of a powder keg.