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#358660 - 09/04/08 06:35 PM
Palin, another fucking religious nut.
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I know people get bent out of shape over the GOP bashing here (sorry K1ng), but parties aside, is anyone creeped out by the whole religiosity thing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPJQgkdVt8g&feature=related
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#358662 - 09/04/08 07:36 PM
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I know people get bent out of shape over the GOP bashing here (sorry K1ng), but parties aside, is anyone creeped out by the whole religiosity thing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPJQgkdVt8g&feature=related
Giving religous fanatics power in our Government to push forward their moral agenda is dangerous. Look how well it's worked in the middle east. Same dynamic, different God.
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#358664 - 09/04/08 10:57 PM
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And church got no bidnezz in governin'...
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#358665 - 09/05/08 06:24 AM
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The reason that I could not possibly ever vote Republican is because it is God's Party.
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#358666 - 09/05/08 06:40 AM
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Then how come Obama keeps falling over himself at every turn to assert that he's a "Christian?"
If you're going to condemn them for this bullshit religiosity, do it equally.
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#358667 - 09/05/08 07:37 AM
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Then how come Obama keeps falling over himself at every turn to assert that he's a "Christian?"
If you're going to condemn them for this bullshit religiosity, do it equally.
I think the biggest reason is because of all the bullshit internet rumours saying that he's a Muslim. Not a real good climate to be a Muslim running for public office. Don't fool yourself into thinking these foolish internet rumours and outright smear campaigns don't make a difference. The Swift Boat For Thruth (ironically) used rumours and innuendo to completely derail John Kerry's campaign.
As for Obama or McCain or Palin being Christian ... who gives a fuck? It's the agenda you push that matters to me. The government is supposed to carry out the will of the people not the do the bidding of the richest and loudest.
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#358669 - 09/05/08 07:57 AM
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Yet this religious nut, who believes himself the islamic messiah, has threatened to wipe Israel of the map, and is desperately seeking nuclear weapons, garners no concern from the left at all. Amazing!
Really? Nobody on the left is concerned? McCain and Palin are the only people that can stop him?
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#358670 - 09/05/08 08:04 AM
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Well Barry the appeaser certainly won't.
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#358671 - 09/05/08 08:07 AM
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these foolish internet rumours and outright smear campaigns...
I thought the Obama camp stopped referring to the islam rumors as a "smear campaign" after alienating Keith Ellison and his fellow muslim-americans? Of course, that paled in comparison to how the Obama campaign chased away two muslim women for wearing headscarves. Yeah, that's "hope, understanding and change" right there. 
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As for Obama or McCain or Palin being Christian ... who gives a fuck? It's the agenda you push that matters to me. The government is supposed to carry out the will of the people...
I couldn't agree with you more, Dude.
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...not the do the bidding of the richest and loudest.
Nor the bidding of the profligate and whiniest.
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#358672 - 09/05/08 08:12 AM
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Really? Nobody on the left is concerned?
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#358673 - 09/05/08 08:26 AM
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these foolish internet rumours and outright smear campaigns...
I thought the Obama camp stopped referring to the islam rumors as a "smear campaign" after
alienating Keith Ellison and his fellow muslim-americans? Of course, that paled in comparison to how the Obama campaign chased away two muslim women for wearing headscarves. Yeah, that's "hope, understanding and change" right there.
I guess going on a tour of mosques would have been beneficial as a feel good show of support to Muslim Americans, but how would that have played out in middle America? How do you think Karl Rove types of the Republican party would have spun it in the media?
As for CAMPAIGN VOLUNTEERS chasing away those Muslim women,how much culpability does Obama have for that? Dod you think he asked them to do it? Do you think he really thought that would be a good idea? Granted it was not a great reflection on his message but come one, blaming HIM for thier mistake would be like blaming Ray Kroc for the idiot behind the counter fucking up your Big Mac.
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#358674 - 09/05/08 08:27 AM
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Really? Nobody on the left is concerned?
Well... if it's in a political cartoon it must me true!
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#358675 - 09/05/08 08:36 AM
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How do you think Karl Rove types of the Republican party would have spun it in the media?
Ahh, yes. Rove. Joe Biden's whine du jour. Why is it that every time something the least bit critical, questioning or insufficiently adulatory appears in the media Obama and his acolytes start crying that Big Bad Rove and his minions are out to "smear" him?
How can we expect these guys to govern with skins this thin?
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Well... if it's in a political cartoon it must me true!
Certainly a lot closer than eblab's little YouTube clips
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#358677 - 09/05/08 08:41 AM
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How do you think Karl Rove types of the Republican party would have spun it in the media?
Ahh, yes. Rove. Joe Biden's whine du jour. Why is it that every time something the least bit critical, questioning or insufficiently adulatory appears in the media Obama and his acolytes start crying that Big Bad Rove and his minions are out to "smear" him?
How can we expect these guys to govern with skins this thin?
Isn't it fact that Karl Rover "The Architect" changed the way campaigns are run? Didn't he institute the "say something over and over again(true or false) and it will become fact in the public's eyes?
What would you suggest Dems do? take the high road and ignore the lies? That worked awesome for Kerry! re: SBVT
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#358678 - 09/05/08 08:45 AM
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Didn't he institute the "say something over and over again(true or false) and it will become fact in the public's eyes?
No. That was Joe Goebbles. You folks might want to start learning about History instead of repeating it.
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#358679 - 09/05/08 08:45 AM
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No hawk will stop him either. How many wars does America think it can be in at the same time? The states are going to have to sit down and talk to people they don't like. That's not appeasement, that's reality.
Do we need a whole new war can't we just bomb them back to the stone age? We can just give Israel the stealths we're mothballing and they can do that for us as well?
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#358680 - 09/05/08 08:49 AM
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Rob Black's Crack Pipe
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No hawk will stop him either. How many wars does America think it can be in at the same time? The states are going to have to sit down and talk to people they don't like. That's not appeasement, that's reality.
FACT!
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#358681 - 09/05/08 08:53 AM
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We can just give Israel the stealths we're mothballing and they can do that for us as well?
Considering that they practice the run constantly, they could probably do it better than we can. And they'd be absolutely justified to do so.
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#358682 - 09/05/08 08:59 AM
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meh, how about we not. how about we tell israel they are on their own, and they have to play by the same rules as everyone else. If they attack another country without being attacked (obviously by that country) first, or they use a nuke, they get what every other country would.
Im sick of us protecting a country soley because a bunch of religious nuts believe that it is key to bringing their messiah back to earth.
Oh, and Jack. You are my fucking hero. Well maybe not my hero... but i salute ya.
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#358683 - 09/05/08 09:00 AM
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The states are going to have to sit down and talk to people they don't like.
Nothing wrong with talking per se. But there's a big difference between talking and surrendering.
Remember that "carrying a big stick" is just as important as "speaking softly." The Error of the Bush people was to swing the club without doing any talking. The error of the Obamists is to talk without any resolve to use the stick. It's only credible when the other side understands that you're prepared to do either.
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#358684 - 09/05/08 09:02 AM
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meh, how about we not. how about we tell israel they are on their own...
So how was the convention in Tehran, Robbo? Did you get David Duke's autograph?
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#358685 - 09/05/08 09:04 AM
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meh, how about we not. how about we tell israel they are on their own, and they have to play by the same rules as everyone else. If they attack another country without being attacked (obviously by that country) first, or they use a nuke, they get what every other country would.
Im sick of us protecting a country soley because a bunch of religious nuts believe that it is key to bringing their messiah back to earth.
Oh, and Jack. You are my fucking hero. Well maybe not my hero... but i salute ya.
Why abandon the Israeli's, the Russians are certainly helping the Iranians with new radar installations. I wouldn't even be surprised to find out they're giving help with the nukes as well.
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#358686 - 09/05/08 09:10 AM
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I wouldn't even be surprised to find out they're giving help with the nukes as well.
I'd bet money on it, both the reactors and the missiles.
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#358687 - 09/05/08 09:12 AM
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meh, how about we not. how about we tell israel they are on their own...
So how was the convention in Tehran, Robbo? Did you get David Duke's autograph?
why is it that you cant be critical of Israel and our hypocritical policies toward it and the irrational protection of a country that has no respect for its neighbors, no respect for us, and no respect for history and that our support of has only caused us more problems than it has solved..... makes you an anti-semite.]
Hell, most of the people SUPPORTING israel are anti semites. they are using the jews to start a war so jesus will return and then all the jews will go to hell because they dont accept christ. the evangelical support of Israel is anti-semetic, supporting treating them equal is pro-law.
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#358688 - 09/05/08 09:16 AM
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Why can't you be critical of muslim leaders and their policies? Why do you support these religious nuts, yet shun and deride the homegrown, much less fanatic ones?
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#358689 - 09/05/08 09:19 AM
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a country that has no respect for its neighbors
You mean the ones who have repeatedly tried to wipe it off the map?
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and no respect for history
You mean the millenea of persecution and genocide wherever the Jews have landed? That History?
Forget the pretentious use of the number. Your screenname ought to be "Mahmoud."
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#358690 - 09/05/08 09:27 AM
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Oh, and Jack. You are my fucking hero.
Finally some clear thinking in this thread!
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#358691 - 09/05/08 09:32 AM
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Why can't you be critical of muslim leaders and their policies? Why do you support these religious nuts, yet shun and deride the homegrown, much less fanatic ones?
I can, and do... but the homegrown ones have policies that effect me, they want to enact policies in our country that will affect me. I could give two shits what they do to their people in their country because i dont live there.
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a country that has no respect for its neighbors
You mean the ones who have repeatedly tried to wipe it off the map?
It was on the map before 1947? You mean it wasnt just placed there by the league of nations? you mean it didnt displace people from their homes?
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do your research.
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and no respect for history
You mean the millenea of persecution and genocide wherever the Jews have landed? That History?
cry me a river... like they are the only culture or "race" who has ever been persecuted against. How about the fact that they seem to like to recreate nazi germany in their own lands.... i guess racism, genocide and annexation is ok if it isnt directed at them?
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Forget the pretentious use of the number. Your screenname ought to be "Mahmoud."
ahhhh the "omg you dont agree with the bullshit you have been fed by the propaganda machines... you must be a muslim (or Communist, Homosexual, Jew, etc)" cry of the brainwashed.
bravo to you.
too bad jim jones didnt mix your kool aid....
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#358692 - 09/05/08 09:51 AM
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It was on the map before 1947? You mean it wasnt just placed there by the league of nations?
You mean the League of Nations was still around in 1947?
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do your research.
See above.
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cry me a river... like they are the only culture or "race" who has ever been persecuted against.
So because they wouldn't be the only ones to have been wiped off the map, it's perfectly okay for the Iranians to try and do the same? Lao Tze is laughing at you from atop his Water Buffalo.
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ahhhh the "omg you dont agree with the bullshit you have been fed by the propaganda machines... you must be a muslim (or Communist, Homosexual, Jew, etc)" cry of the brainwashed... too bad jim jones didnt mix your kool aid....
The irony of that little meltdown is priceless, coming on the heels of this gem:
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Hell, most of the people SUPPORTING israel are anti semites. they are using the jews to start a war so jesus will return and then all the jews will go to hell because they dont accept christ. the evangelical support of Israel is anti-semetic, supporting treating them equal is pro-law.
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#358693 - 09/05/08 09:58 AM
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I can, and do... but the homegrown ones have policies that effect me, they want to enact policies in our country that will affect me. I could give two shits what they do to their people in their country because i dont live there.
A nuclear armed Iran does effect you. Do you think Ahmadinejad will stop at Israel? The Netherlands are already under siege from within and the rest of western Europe will follow fast.
Unlike Iran, the religious nuts in this Country actually have to have support (from the people and the rest of the gov't) to realize their legal goals, which makes it pretty damn certain that the most extreme of these goals will go unrealized. Ahmadinejad needs only the nuke itself and one loyal soldier, to drive the truck to Tel Aviv, and he can start his Jihad against Israel.
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#358694 - 09/05/08 10:08 AM
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It was on the map before 1947? You mean it wasnt just placed there by the league of nations?
You mean the League of Nations was still around in 1947?
It was the league of nations who originally approved the british backed mandate to create a jewish state in the 1920's post WW1. It took WW2 and post war European guilt over the holocaust to push the final steps through the newly formed UN.
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cry me a river... like they are the only culture or "race" who has ever been persecuted against.
So because they're not the only ones to have been wiped off the map, it's perfectly okay for the Iranians to try and do the same?
What about the country they wiped off and wish to finish wiping off the map? and no... its not ok for either side.... but our reasons for backing one over the other are irrational. Lao Tze would more like agree with a more isolationist policy and with diplomacy. Softness overcoming Hardness... you know... like the Obama approach.
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ahhhh the "omg you dont agree with the bullshit you have been fed by the propaganda machines... you must be a muslim (or Communist, Homosexual, Jew, etc)" cry of the brainwashed... too bad jim jones didnt mix your kool aid....
The irony of that little meltdown is priceless, coming on the heels of this gem:
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Hell, most of the people SUPPORTING israel are anti semites. they are using the jews to start a war so jesus will return and then all the jews will go to hell because they dont accept christ. the evangelical support of Israel is anti-semetic, supporting treating them equal is pro-law.
I dont see how a) that counts as a melt down.... is it making fun of your mindless swallowing of propaganda? yes. meltdown... no.
And no... no irony either... my whole point of the first rant is how "anti-semite is bandies about in pretty much the same way as the muslim, communist, homosexual, jew, etc used in the other comment, and the obvious irony of the antisemetic policies of Israels biggest backers.
Bringing that around to sarah palin... who sat in church while HER PASTOR (gasp) talked about how the jews will burn in hell after jesus returns.
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#358695 - 09/05/08 10:32 AM
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It was the league of nations who originally approved the british backed mandate to create a jewish state in the 1920's post WW1.
You mean the Balfour Declaration of 1917? By its author's own admission, it directly contradicted the Covenant of the League of Nations. As with your "most of the people SUPPORTING israel are anti semites" whopper, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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making fun of your mindless swallowing of propaganda
Jesus, Mahmoud, you've gone completely off the Iron-O-Meter today. I'll give you this much: Stormfront and Tehran Today make an interesting change from Kos.
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Lao Tze would more like agree with a more isolationist policy and with diplomacy. Softness overcoming Hardness...
Yeah, because the Old Man was such a big proponent of genocide and wiping people off the map.
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#358696 - 09/05/08 10:45 AM
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It was the league of nations who originally approved the british backed mandate to create a jewish state in the 1920's post WW1.
You mean the Balfour Declaration of 1917? By its author's own admission, it directly contradicted the Covenant of the League of Nations. As with your "most of the people SUPPORTING israel are anti semites" whopper, you have no idea what you're talking about.
wrong again. before you go pretending to be a historical scholar it would help if you actually were. I was referring to the British Mandate of Palestine which lasted from 1920-1948 and was a mandate establishing a jewish nation in Palestine, along with other partitioning of the Ottoman empire... which also relates to current events because the original drafts had also established a Kurdish state of Kurdistan, which was dropped from the final version.
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making fun of your mindless swallowing of propaganda
Jesus, Mahmoud, you've gone completely off the Iron-O-Meter today. I'll give you this much: Stormfront and Tehran Today make an interesting change from Kos.
heh, no. once again, gotta hit the "antisemite" charge. Im sure the jewish girl im dating would be surprised to hear that. I get my news from drudge and MSNBC 
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Lao Tze would more like agree with a more isolationist policy and with diplomacy. Softness overcoming Hardness...
Yeah, because the Old Man was such a big proponent of genocide and wiping people off the map.
its not about being a proponent of genocide. Its about antagonism creating antagonism. violence begets violence.
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#358697 - 09/05/08 11:04 AM
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before you go pretending to be a historical scholar it would help if you actually were.
Oh, God the irony is dripping. The British Mandate established "a jewish nation in Palestine???" Then how come successive British ministries imposed further restrictions upon Jewish emigration to Israel as the danger in Germany grew?
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once again, gotta hit the "antisemite" charge. Im sure the jewish girl im dating would be surprised to hear that...
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its not about being a proponent of genocide. Its about antagonism creating antagonism. violence begets violence.
Right. So please show me where Lao Tze says it's okay for Ahmadinajad to antagonize other folks with nuclear weapons?
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#358698 - 09/05/08 11:13 AM
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Of course America could nuke Iran. Do you think it would give you guys lasting peace? It sounds real tough, but what would happen after? And do the Iranian people deserve to die?
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#358699 - 09/05/08 11:18 AM
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Of course America could nuke Iran. Do you think it would give you guys lasting peace? It sounds real tough, but what would happen after? And do the Iranian people deserve to die?
Paddy, nobody's talking about nuking Iran, except perhaps in retaliation for an Iranian first strike.
What I'm talking about (and I believe the others are as well) is bombing the reactors before the Iranians are capable of putting their nukes together. Would some Iranians die in such a raid? Undoubtedly. Would millions more die on both sides if the Mullahs were to obtain and use a nuke? Absolutely. Is it the better course of action? Unquestionably.
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#358700 - 09/05/08 11:30 AM
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Of course America could nuke Iran. Do you think it would give you guys lasting peace? It sounds real tough, but what would happen after? And do the Iranian people deserve to die?
Paddy, nobody's talking about nuking Iran, except perhaps in retaliation for an Iranian first strike.
What I'm talking about (and I believe the others are as well) is bombing the reactors before the Iranians are capable of putting their nukes together. Would some Iranians die in such a raid? Undoubtedly. Would millions more die on both sides if the Mullahs were to obtain and use a nuke? Absolutely. Is it the better course of action? Unquestionably.
Lame answer, Jim B. You don't even touch on the most important aspect of every policy question: how will it affect Obama's election result?
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#358701 - 09/05/08 11:45 AM
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Lame answer, Jim B. You don't even touch on the most important aspect of every policy question: how will it affect Obama's election result?
You mean old Rovians are going to make Barack cry.
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#358702 - 09/05/08 12:08 PM
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the coincidence that i just ran out to the halal deli to get my tabouleh, hummous and falafel for lunch has been noted.
you are missing my point jim b.
fundamentalists of all religions in political power anywhere are bad... but it is hypocritical to support some of them while raving against others. i see achmed-jihad (see what i did there) as the same page as Palin, Olmert, Bush, Bin Laden, etc.
If i had my way we would eliminate any doctrine that states its superiority over any other people. It is destructive to all humanity.
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#358703 - 09/05/08 12:41 PM
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fundamentalists of all religions in political power anywhere are bad...
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but it is hypocritical to support some of them while raving against others.
Equally correct. Which is why it's baffling how some can point fingers at Palin's church while finding nothing wrong with Obama's Twenty-Year tutelage under Jeremiah "God Damn Amerikkka" Wright.
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If i had my way we would eliminate any doctrine that states its superiority over any other people. It is destructive to all humanity.
The problem here is that once you set out to eliminate dangerous or "destructive" doctrines, you have already embraced a dangerous doctrine. Who determines what's "dangerous" and what isn't? Which Governmental/Religious body gets to define "correctness" in your Brave New World? A new HUAC? A bunch of Salem Puritans? Ahmadinejad and Khameni? Mahmoud Cocksnot and Michelle Obama?
For a self-proclaimed "Registered Libertarian,", that's a mighty incongruous statement. Somehow, I don't see Lao Tze approving of this idea, either.
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#358704 - 09/05/08 03:43 PM
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A nuclear armed Iran does effect you. Do you think Ahmadinejad will stop at Israel? The Netherlands are already under siege from within and the rest of western Europe will follow fast. ...
When did this happen? I don't feel besieged at all. Should I go to my nuclear-free bunker?
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#358705 - 09/05/08 04:03 PM
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Have you never heard of dramatic license? Do you deny a large influx of conservative muslims. Is their influence not felt? Has their culture not clashed with the moderate open culture that has always been there, or have they finally legalized honor killings?
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#358707 - 09/05/08 06:46 PM
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who cares if mavrick mclame has a cardiac while taking the "oath"..and then ms. paleface assumes control....its no biggie....I mean really.....how BAD can it really be?
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#358708 - 09/05/08 07:20 PM
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McCain's critique of pork barrel politics
McCain has made opposition to pork-barrel spending a central theme of his 2008 campaign. "Earmarking deprives federal agencies of scarce resources, at the whim of individual members of Congress," McCain has said.
But records show that Palin -- first as mayor of Wasilla and recently as governor of Alaska -- was far from shy about pursuing tens of millions in earmarks for her town, her region and her state.
This year, Palin, who has been governor for nearly 22 months, defended earmarking as a vital part of the legislative system. "The federal budget, in its various manifestations, is incredibly important to us, and congressional earmarks are one aspect of this relationship," she wrote in a newspaper column.
In 2001, McCain's list of spending that had been approved without the normal budget scrutiny included a $500,000 earmark for a public transportation project in Wasilla. The Arizona senator targeted $1 million in a 2002 spending bill for an emergency communications center in town -- one that local law enforcement has said is redundant and creates confusion.
McCain also criticized $450,000 set aside for an agricultural processing facility in Wasilla that was requested during Palin's tenure as mayor and cleared Congress soon after she left office in 2002. The funding was provided to help direct locally grown produce to schools, prisons and other government institutions, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan watchdog group.
Wasilla received $11.9 million in earmarks from 2000 to 2003. The results of this spending are very apparent today. (The town also benefited from $15 million in federal funds to promote regional rail transportation.)
Wasilla had received few if any earmarks before Palin became mayor. She actively sought federal funds -- a campaign that began to pay off only after she hired a lobbyist with close ties to Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), who long controlled federal spending as chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee. He made funneling money to Alaska his hallmark.
Steven Silver was a former chief of staff for Stevens. After he was hired, Wasilla obtained funding for several projects in 2002, including an additional $600,000 in transportation funding.
That year, a local water and sewer project received $1.5 million, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, which combs federal spending measures to identify projects inserted by congressional members.
When Palin spoke after McCain introduced her as his running mate at a rally in Ohio last week, she made fun of earmarking. She said she had rejected $223 million in federal funds for a bridge linking Ketchikan to an island with an airport and 50 residents, referring to it by its derogatory label: the "bridge to nowhere."
In the nationally televised speech, she stood by McCain and said, "I've championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. In fact, I told Congress thanks, but no thanks, on that bridge to nowhere. If our state wanted a bridge, I said, we'd build it ourselves."
However, as a candidate for governor in 2006, Palin had backed funding for the bridge. After her election, she killed the much-ridiculed project when it became clear the state had other priorities. She said she would use the federal funds to fill those needs.
This year she submitted to Congress a list of Alaska projects worth $197.8 million, including $2 million to research crab productivity in the Bering Sea and $7.4 million to improve runway lighting at eight Alaska airports. A spokesman said she cut the original list of 54 projects to 31.
"So while Sen. McCain was going after cutting earmarks in Washington," said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, "Gov. Palin was going after getting earmarks."
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