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#349321 - 08/01/08 07:01 PM Put on your tin-foil hats!
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See, shit like this only fuels those conspiracy nutballs...


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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Anthrax-laced letters that killed five people and severely rattled the post-9/11 nation may have been part of an Army scientist's warped plan to test his cure for the deadly toxin, officials said Friday. The brilliant but troubled scientist committed suicide this week, knowing prosecutors were closing in.

The sudden naming of scientist Bruce E. Ivins as the top - and perhaps only - suspect in the anthrax attacks marks the latest bizarre twist in a case that has confounded the FBI for nearly seven years. Last month, the Justice Department cleared Ivins' colleague, Steven Hatfill, who had been wrongly suspected in the case, and paid him $5.8 million.

Ivins worked at the Army's biological warfare defense labs at Fort Detrick, Md., for 35 years until his death on Tuesday. He was one of the government's leading scientists researching vaccines and cures for anthrax exposure. But he also had a long history of homicidal threats, according to papers filed last week in local court by a social worker.

The letters containing anthrax powder were sent on the heels of the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and turned up at congressional offices, newsrooms and elsewhere, leaving a deadly trail through post offices on the way. The powder killed five, sent numerous victims to hospitals and caused near panic in many locations.

Workers in protective garb that made them look like space men decontaminated U.S. Capitol buildings after anthrax letters were discovered there. Major postal substations were closed for years. Newsrooms were checked all over after anthrax letters were mailed to offices in Florida and New York.

The Justice Department said Friday only that "substantial progress has been made in the investigation." The statement did not identify Ivins.

However, several U.S. officials said prosecutors were focusing on the 62-year-old Ivins and planned to seek a murder indictment and the death penalty. Authorities were investigating whether Ivins, who had complained about the limits of testing anthrax drugs on animals, had released the toxin to test the treatment on humans.






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#349322 - 08/01/08 08:45 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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I'm not sure how a renegade, lone-wolf scientist constitutes a conspiracy, which, by it's very nature, requires a GROUP of people secretly acting in concert.

But hey, go ahead and get your hat ready.
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#349323 - 08/01/08 09:16 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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Here ya go:

http://www.freefromterror.net/other_articles/gov_anthrax.html

"CONSIDER THESE “COINCIDENCES”

· The anthrax attacks were concurrent with the debate of Bush’s Patriot Act by Congress and the media.

· The Senators who received anthrax letters were trying to amend the Patriot Act to protect civil liberties and the innocent.

· Two Senate democratic leaders received anthrax letters mailed the same day that Senator Feingold blocked an attempt to rush the bill through without discussion or amendments.

· And on that very same day, the FBI told the Iowa state lab to
destroy the original batch of the Ames strain, making tracing the
anthrax type more difficult.

· Senator Leahy received an anthrax threat after he expressed reservations about the Bill. As Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, he managed the debate on the Bill.

· Senate Majority Leader Daschle received the first Senate anthrax letter as he led the opposition to the original version of the Bill.

· After receiving the anthrax letter, Daschle switched from supporting a 2 year limit on the Bill, later defending a 4-year sunset clause as the “appropriate balance.”

· No Republican received an anthrax letter.

· The House and Senate buildings were closed and not reopened until after the Patriot Act was passed.

· The Supreme Court was shut down with an anthrax scare the day after the constitutionally-challenged Patriot Act was signed by President Bush."
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#349324 - 08/01/08 09:24 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
Anonymous
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So you're saying Marinus van der Lubbe did it?

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#349325 - 08/01/08 09:31 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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Sweet reference.

Been saving that one since my Ghost of Bonhoeffer riff?

Godwin.

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#349326 - 08/01/08 09:38 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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Godwin makes no judgment on the validity of a Third Reich reference. just the likelihood of its occurrence.

You're the one who suggests a conspiracy* to intimidate the legislature into sanctioning dictatorial legislation, so it's a valid reference.


*in a thread rather blatantly titled "Put on your tin-foil hats," no less.

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#349327 - 08/01/08 10:12 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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My first choice was to put that Fatman/kittie/tinfoil hats picture in play, but it was to obvious.

So tell me, why were Democrats the exclusive target of the post-9/11 anthrax attack?

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#349328 - 08/01/08 10:18 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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My first choice was to put that Fatman/kittie/tinfoil hats picture in play, but it was to obvious.

So tell me, why were Democrats the exclusive target of the post-9/11 anthrax attack?





ABSCAM proved Democrats are suckers for the white powder.

Drop it Gunker- go cook something.

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#349329 - 08/01/08 10:20 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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So tell me, why were Democrats the exclusive target of the post-9/11 anthrax attack?







Wow. I've been a Democrat for twenty years. I've worked elections from City Council to Al Gore's primary races in 2000. And in all this time, I had no idea the National Enquirer was a party publication. Thanks, Buddy.




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#349330 - 08/01/08 10:22 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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Drop it Gunker- go cook something.






Now THAT'S a biological attack.

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#349331 - 08/01/08 10:22 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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"Abscam (sometimes ABSCAM) was a United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) sting operation run from the FBI's Hauppauge, Long Island, office in the late 1970s and early 1980s. The operation initially targeted trafficking in stolen property but was converted to a public corruption investigation."

I will rewatch episodes of "Threes Company" to gain insight of bistro cooking!
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#349332 - 08/01/08 10:26 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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It's good to see you are keeping the google engine humming.

The more you know about the past the less likely you are to repeat it, grasshopper.

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#349333 - 08/01/08 10:34 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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The more you know the less likely you are to repeat it, grasshopper.




fixed to apply to conspiracies.
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#349334 - 08/01/08 11:03 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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#349335 - 08/01/08 11:35 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
Anonymous
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Well, Well, Well...

It seems that one of the "exclusively Democratic" targets of the 2001 Anthrax attacks was none other than...

Rupert Murdoch's New York Post.

Lest you think that this is just a plant, a part of the conspiracy, here are three reports from The New York Times, The Nation and The Guardian, three reliably left-leaning publications.


Comment, Gunker?

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#349336 - 08/01/08 11:45 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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Registered: 01/21/08
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Quote:

I'm not sure how a renegade, lone-wolf scientist constitutes a conspiracy, which, by it's very nature, requires a GROUP of people secretly acting in concert.

But hey, go ahead and get your hat ready.




Hey, I got no conspiracy but you know someone is going to read this and think that the scientist didn't commit suicide and was murdered. Ya know... cause' people in key positions of power didn't want him to expose them.

Also, they'll probably have a field day with the fact that this scientist had a long history of "homicidal threats"... and yet he somehow stayed employed in one of the most powerful militaries in the world... for 35 years?

Like I said, this is the kinda' thing that fuels people's paranoid imaginations.

Plus, it is so ridiculous that it sounds like the plot to a movie. Sure enough, it probably will be, someday.

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#349337 - 08/02/08 12:19 AM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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Registered: 01/18/06
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Gunker:
Quote:

Here ya go:

http://www.freefromterror.net/other_articles/gov_anthrax.html

"CONSIDER THESE “COINCIDENCES”

· The anthrax attacks were concurrent with the debate of Bush’s Patriot Act by Congress and the media.

· The Senators who received anthrax letters were trying to amend the Patriot Act to protect civil liberties and the innocent.

· Two Senate democratic leaders received anthrax letters mailed the same day that Senator Feingold blocked an attempt to rush the bill through without discussion or amendments.

· And on that very same day, the FBI told the Iowa state lab to
destroy the original batch of the Ames strain, making tracing the
anthrax type more difficult.

· Senator Leahy received an anthrax threat after he expressed reservations about the Bill. As Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, he managed the debate on the Bill.

· Senate Majority Leader Daschle received the first Senate anthrax letter as he led the opposition to the original version of the Bill.

· After receiving the anthrax letter, Daschle switched from supporting a 2 year limit on the Bill, later defending a 4-year sunset clause as the “appropriate balance.”

· No Republican received an anthrax letter.

· The House and Senate buildings were closed and not reopened until after the Patriot Act was passed.

· The Supreme Court was shut down with an anthrax scare the day after the constitutionally-challenged Patriot Act was signed by President Bush."





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Hey, I got no conspiracy but you know someone is going to read this and think that the scientist didn't commit suicide and was murdered. Ya know... cause' people in key positions of power didn't want him to expose them.

Also, they'll probably have a field day with the fact that this scientist had a long history of "homicidal threats"... and yet he somehow stayed employed in one of the most powerful militaries in the world... for 35 years?

Like I said, this is the kinda' thing that fuels people's paranoid imaginations.

Plus, it is so ridiculous that it sounds like the plot to a movie. Sure enough, it probably will be, someday.




Fucking Cool! Sounds like we have a screenplay for Oliver Stone's next movie.
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#349338 - 08/02/08 12:36 AM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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Fucking Cool! Sounds like we have a screenplay for Oliver Stone's next movie.
"Forward and back, forward and back, forward and back..."




Oliver Stone? Naa, that wouldn't work... he'd want to have some crazy half-naked indian randomly invade the plotline. Just like The Doors movie.

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#349339 - 08/02/08 05:17 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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Posts: 5849
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The brilliant but troubled scientist committed suicide this week, knowing prosecutors were closing in.




He committed suicide as his retirement date approached. What exactly did he know?

The FBI had just replaced everyone working on the case for lack of results. One of the few people known who could have done it dies. Suddenly the new guys, knowing da Boss wants an answer and that dead men don't get trials and the right to cross-examine, announce that the one guy who can't refute them is the one that did it? Good enough to close the case and ask da Boss for a promotion I suppose...

The man in charge of the lab says he wants to see evidence before we close the books on this one. I agree.

PS. I don't buy at all that this guy was whacky yet the FBI never caught on for *years* that he might be a suspect. That makes no sense.
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#349340 - 08/02/08 07:09 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
Gunker Offline
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Registered: 01/07/06
Posts: 4268
Loc: Portland
Quote:

It seems that one of the "exclusively Democratic" targets of the 2001 Anthrax attacks was none other than...

Rupert Murdoch's New York Post.

Lest you think that this is just a plant, a part of the conspiracy, here are three reports from The New York Times, The Nation and The Guardian, three reliably left-leaning publications.


Comment, Gunker?




Maybe he also disliked shoddy journalism.

Cover story: 42-pound cat.
Page 17: Alaskan Sen. indicted.

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#349341 - 08/02/08 11:04 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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Shit just goes on. Breaking news...

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FREDERICK, Md. (AP) -- Bruce E. Ivins, the late microbiologist suspected in the 2001 anthrax attacks, had attempted to poison people and his therapist said she was "scared to death" of him, according to court testimony that emerged Saturday.

Social worker Jean Duley testified at a court hearing in Frederick on July 24 in a successful bid for a protective order from Ivins - who five days later committed suicide - that he "actually attempted to murder several other people."

Ivins took a fatal dose of Tylonel as federal authorities monitored his movements and prepared to charge him with the murder of five people who died from anthrax poisonining in the weeks after the Sept. 2001 terror attacks.

An audio recording of the court session was obtained by The New York Times and posted it on its Web site.

"As far back as the year 2000, the respondent has actually attempted to murder several other people, either through poisoning. He is a revenge killer. When he feels that he's been slighted or has had - especially toward women - he plots and actually tries to carry out revenge killings," Duley said.

She added that Ivins "has been forensically diagnosed by several top psychiatrists as a sociopathic, homicidal killer. I have that in evidence. And through my working with him, I also believe that to be very true."

Ivins, 62, who worked at an Army biodefense laboratory at Fort Detrick, took his own life Tuesday as federal authorities were closing in after investigating him for more than a year in connection with the deaths of five people poisoned by anthrax sent through the mail.

Answers to one of the nation's highest profile unsolved mysteries are in documents that could be released as early as this week - and help explain how the government chased the wrong suspect for years.






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#349342 - 08/03/08 01:49 AM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
Anonymous
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Maybe he also disliked shoddy journalism.






Gunker, you're a fucking Asshat. I actually respected you at one point, but you can't even admit you're fucking wrong.

You have even less credibility than Murdoch, and his is already less than zero.

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#349343 - 08/03/08 01:32 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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PS. I don't buy at all that this guy was whacky yet the FBI never caught on for *years* that he might be a suspect. That makes no sense.




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Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, whose office was a target of the anthrax attacks in 2001, said Sunday the suicide of the government's main suspect does not mean the case is over.

Daschle said the FBI has not given him any new updates. He also raised questions about the quality of the investigation, noting that the government recently paid out almost $6 million to a former Army scientist, Steven Hatfill, who accused authorities of unfairly targeting him in the anthrax case.

From the very beginning I've had real concerns about the quality of the investigation," Daschle said in a broadcast interview. "Given the fact that they already paid somebody else $5 million for the mistakes they must have made gives you some indication of the overall caliber and quality of the investigation.





Your tax funded bureaucracies at work.

Full Article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080803/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/anthrax_daschle
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#349344 - 08/04/08 02:00 AM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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Social worker Jean Duley




Well, now I'm convinced. Social workers are the ultimate authority on these things, since they're used to investigations and evidence and all that, and everyone knows that when you try to kill people you always tell a "social worker" all about it, right?
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#349345 - 08/04/08 06:17 AM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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What pisses me off reading about that case was that it took YEARS until the "leading anthrax researcher" came under the full brunt of the investigation....

-BUT-

The moment a daughter or wife turns up missing, daddy is hauled onto center stage as the "primary suspect."

Such a fucking double standard in today's law enforcement system.

If you are looking to fry someone for spreading anthrax, start by investigating the controls/psyche/motives of those assholes with ready access to the shit. The fact that he was a gov't worker basically ensured he'd have a good chance of getting away with it as gov't workers just don't police themselves.
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#349346 - 08/04/08 01:32 PM Re: Put on your tin-foil hats!
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What pisses me off reading about that case was that it took YEARS until the "leading anthrax researcher" came under the full brunt of the investigation....




Hatfill *was* a leading researcher with access to the bacteria. The FBI appears to have gotten it right at the start that it was certainly a researcher or tech at that lab. Unfortunately there are a *lot* of those people, many dozens or more, and it seems they never had reason to pick Hatfill out of that group.

Now we have to wait and see why they're fixated on the dead guy, beyond the fact he can't sue and embarrass them like Hatfill did. They're touting that they traced the particular strain back to the lab - which was already known. Since a mass murderer isn't likely to sign a log sheet for the samples used, and log sheets probably aren't reliable for workers who handle the stuff daily anyway, it's hard to see how they get from "this lab" to "that guy" with only log sheets.
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