A vote for McCain is a vote for Bush!


Nuff fucking said!

i love when JimB says "nuf'said"

I don't disagree. Just saying Carter was worse....because he was.

The late 70s sucked way worse than things do today,hence,Carter was worse.

Unless,of course,you're an Iraqi.

In 1974, many said we could not have a worse POTUS than Nixon and that Ford was just a continuation of Nixon. By 1979, many of them had realized that Nixon was not the worse POTUS in history. I depise Bush for many reasons and because of him I left the GOP. But Barack Fucking Obama. Are you kidding me?

What the fuck is with the a vote for McCain is a vote for Bush crap. If they were that much alike McCain would have got the VP nomination instead of Cheney. IIRC in 2000 McCain was the choice for Republicans who didn't like Bush. If a vote for McCain was a vote for Bush these people wouldn't have voted for him. This is like saying a vote for Obama is a vote for Kerry or Gore. Maybe McCain would be an asshole but he would not be the same asshole as Bush. He'd be a completely different asshole.

Yeah, let's dial back to the 2000 campaign when the animosity between McCain and Bush was so thick you could've cut it with a knife. I just think Obama is one of the phoniest politicians of all time.

yes, but the McCain of 2008 has decided position himself far up the christian right's ass, among other "changes" from the McCain of 2000.

With the increased likelihood that a few supreme court judges will need to be appointed soon... having a president who is looking to appease the censor, ban and pray crowd is about the most unappealing thing I can think of.

now a president who scares the SHIT out of them and whom they think is the antichrist... thats the biggest endorsement i can think of!

I'm not an obamashipper by any means... but lets look at some of mccains achievements in his life... bottom of his class in the air force, crashed 5 planes including the time he got caught, was happy to talk for better treatment while in the hanoi hilton.... yep... real american hero right there. Though unlike some presidents at least he showed up for his duty (i'm looking at you bill and george).


i will say though... if Obama shifts more toward the fiscal conservative side... and stays socially liberal i will like him much more. He is already almost there.

However.... lets face it... they all are the same and serve the same masters, eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0drwfnGlF_E

Speaking of seeing things coming...

"The inertia and acquiescence which allows the suspension of our liberties would once have been unthinkable. The present ignorance and indifference is appalling. The little that is worthwhile in our civilization and culture is made possible by the few who are capable of creative thinking and independent action, grudgingly assisted by the rest. When the majority of men surrender their freedom, barbarism is near but when the creative minority surrender it, the Dark Age has arrived. Even the word liberalism has now become a front for a new social form of Christian morality. Science, that was going to save the world back in H.G. Wells' time, is regimented, strait-jacketed and scared; its universal language is diminished to one word, security.

In this 1950 view some of my more hopeful utterances may appear almost naive. However, I was never so naive as to believe that freedom in any full sense of the word is possible for more than a few. But I have believed and do still hold that these few, by self-sacrifice, wisdom, courage and continuous effort, can achieve and maintain a free world. The labor is heroic but it can be done by example and by education. Such was the faith that built America, a faith that America has surrendered. I call upon America to renew this faith before she perishes.

We are one nation but we are also one world. The soul of the slums looks out of the eyes of Wall Street and the fate of a Chinese coolie determines the destiny of America. We cannot suppress our brother's liberty without suppressing our own and we cannot murder our brothers without murdering ourselves. We stand together as men for human freedom and human dignity or we will fall together, as animals, back into the jungle.

In this very late hour it is with solutions that we must be primarily concerned. We seem to be living in a nation that simply does not know what we are told we have and that we tell each other we have. Indeed, it is far more than that. It is to the definition of freedom, to its understanding, in order that it may be attained and defended, that this essay is devoted. I need not add that freedom is dangerous -- but it is hardly possible that we are all cowards."
- JPL founder Jack Whiteside Parsons in the preface to Freedom is a Two Edged Sword.



Personally i believe our system has failed and is corrupt to its very core at this point. Time to start over.

it was a mistake on the Navy vs Air Force part.

heres some info on the rest of it...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-klein/mccains-secret-questionab_b_107409.html

more on the vietnamvetransagainstjohnmccain site

he would if he wants a second term now wouldnt he.

The republicans should of picked someone else other than John McCain if they wanted to win this election. They don't have a hope in hell!

Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

His father John S. "Junior" McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe later becoming commander of American forces in Vietnam while McCain III was being held prisoner of war. McCain III's grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

During his relative short stunt on flight status, McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

Robert Timberg, author of The Nightingale's Song, a book about Annapolis graduates and their tours in Vietnam, wrote that McCain "learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn't love it."

McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom.

McCain's second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. "Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula," Timberg wrote, "he took out some power lines [reminiscent of the 1998 incident in which a Marine Corps jet sliced through the cables of a gondola at an Italian ski resort, killing 20] which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."

McCain's third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game.

Timberg reported that McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout" and went through standard relight procedures three times before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain landed on a deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees.

McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

McCain's fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.

After being drug from the lake, a mob gathered around McCain, spit on him, kicked him and stripped him of his clothing. He was bayoneted in his left foot and his shoulder crushed by a rifle butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.

After being periodically slapped around for "three or four days" by his captors who wanted military information, McCain called for an officer on his fourth day of captivity. He told the officer, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." -U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain.

"Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant." Page 193-194, Faith of My Fathers by John McCain.

When the communist learned that McCain's father was Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific, he was rushed to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable for U.S. POWs.

The communist Vietnamese figured, because POW McCain's father was of such high military rank, that he was of royalty or the governing circle. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured "the crown prince."

For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.

"McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat," explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs -- the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. "Since McCain got 28 medals," Bell continues, "that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down."

For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and collaborations with the enemy by exaggerating his military service and lying about his feats of heroism.

McCain has sprouted a halo and wings to become America's POW-hero presidential candidate.

Or your 43rd, for that matter.

I'm no fan of McCain by any stretch of the imagination. But an Obama presidency would be a disaster for the country and an even bigger one for the long-term prospects for the Democratic party.

Remember the backlash after four years of Carter? That's nothing compared to what will happen if little boy gets in.

[tritone]Did you just say boy?[/tritone]

McCain will win by capturing Applesaucer on the Iraq/Pakistan border.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GayO4pc8S_A



Applesaucer wins this round!

"McCain will win by capturing Applesaucer on the Iraq/Pakistan border."

Iraq/Pakistan border? Have you been drinking, Gunker?

He must have been drinking if he thought that clip was either relevant or funny.


The Obama sense of Humor:

The only thing Dubya did right, Natalie:




The only thing he ALMOST got right, trailer trash Jenna:

Who's this Natalie chick? She can't have anything to do with Dubya. He couldn't possibly get anything like that right.

Sorry, my mistake. The pink bikini shut my brain down for a few moments.
I thought Natalie Bush was Jeb's Daughter, Dubya's niece, but no.

I guess it was just wishful thinking on my part the Georgie boy had done SOMETHING, however remote, that I would admire. (I know, grasping at straws.)

I have no idea who she is but she certainly is pleasant to look at. Please forgive my faux pas.

USa anoinytiung MccaIn its figurehead is the next logical step. The man is electronically programmed and electronically warmthed when to smile and feel connection. It's all orchestrateds, but Obama couyld selfishly fuck someone. MccAine is dead. He is kept alive by old.... big.... money artlessly cynically ludicrouysly...we shgould lynch and eviscreerrate alll these motherfuckers. Yeah? God save the Queen.

Jeb's daughter

Windsock waxes poetic -

My opinion of this girl just went up a notch.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d

Allies Ask Obama to Make ‘Hope’ More Specific

As Senator Barack Obama prepares to accept the Democratic presidential nomination next week, party leaders in battleground states say the fight ahead against Senator John McCain looks tougher than they imagined, with Mr. Obama vulnerable on multiple fronts despite weeks of cross-country and overseas campaigning.

These Democrats — 15 governors, members of Congress and state party leaders — say Mr. Obama has yet to convert his popularity among many Americans into solutions to crucial electoral challenges: showing ownership of an issue, like economic stewardship or national security; winning over supporters of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton; and minimizing his race and experience level as concerns for voters.

Mr. Obama has run for the last 18 months as the candidate of hope. Yet party leaders — while enthusiastic about Mr. Obama and his state-by-state campaign operations — say he must do more to convince the many undecided Democrats and independents that he would address their financial anxieties rather than run, by and large, as an agent of change — given that change, they note, is not an issue.

“I particularly hope he strengthens his economic message — even Senator Obama can speak more clearly and specifically about the kitchen-table, bread-and-butter issues like high energy costs,” said Gov. Ted Strickland of Ohio. “It’s fine to tell people about hope and change, but you have to have plenty of concrete, pragmatic ideas that bring hope and change to life.”

Or, in the blunter words of Gov. Phil Bredesen, Democrat of Tennessee: “Instead of giving big speeches at big stadiums, he needs to give straight-up 10-word answers to people at Wal-Mart about how he would improve their lives.”


NY TIMES

shit... like McSame has done anything even CLOSE to that....

the Dems are always held to such a higher level.

you idiot republicans...

HAHA....

how many homes does McCain have anyway?

nice use of the ONE poll that has had McSame over Obama...

an anomaly...

oh yeah Jimby you arent a republican tho hahah

i thought yr people didn't pay attention to polls...you need to look at the number of registered voters state per state...